icecreamcastle777 said:

“The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

So the Ebony interview was in 2015 and the time period of this article is the very start of 2016. Even for Prince, that is not a overlong period of time to stay on message.

Strive said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

“The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

Prince(r.i.p) also said in that Ebony interview he wanted to work with Morris again. Then he brought Morris and his group back to PP that January which really touched Morris. Which I'm sure he will get more deep into in his upcoming book.

icecreamcastle777 said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

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Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

BartVanHemelen said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

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Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

Oh stop it you

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

PeggyO said:

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

I bet he did to.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeggyO said:

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

I bet he did to.

i have always had a strong candidate...a musician, witty writer, super knowledgeable.

icecreamcastle777 said:

“The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

100%

Some of the comments on here attributing his Ebony interview to meds, because certain parts didn't fit their own narrative, were well out of line.

It was refreshing to see him being so open and honest and not speaking in riddles as per.

BartVanHemelen said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

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Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

dodger said:

Genesia said:

Hamad said:

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

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Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

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He didn’t berate me, the miserable grumpy twat just wanted an excuse to argue with one more person seeing that he already argued with everyone in this site within the past 24 hours. My statement was clear though, “music” being the operative word, Prince advocated black ownership for the past 20+ years & that person’s statement has nothing to do with mine. As much as he wanna bark about research like he does to everyone here, it’s simply not needed because what I said is common knowledge

Prince’s d.j., Pam Warren, known as Purple Pam......

questions for Mr. Dan Piepenbring

1. during your conversations with Peter Bravestrong how did you address him?

2. If Mr. Johnson was under the direction of Mr. Bravestrong. Were U, as well?

3. also what differences did u notice between the 2, Mr. Nelson and Mr. Bravestrong.

Hello God,

within this loveletter

Hamad said:

dodger said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

He didn’t berate me, the miserable grumpy twat just wanted an excuse to argue with one more person seeing that he already argued with everyone in this site within the past 24 hours. My statement was clear though, “music” being the operative word, Prince advocated black ownership for the past 20+ years & that person’s statement has nothing to do with mine. As much as he wanna bark about research like he does to everyone here, it’s simply not needed because what I said is common knowledge

Well, I mean, you did initially quantify it with the word "always" and are now breaking it down semantically to "for the past 20+ years."

Reality is a lot of that sentiment seemed to only exist to Prince (as far as direct evidence is concerned) after the 80s concluded, which I think was all b0rt was trying to emphasize.

WhisperingDandelions said:

https://www.bustle.com/p/...l-18718397

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince

Thank you.

People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself.

^^THIS is what Prince thought about people trying to Nanny and scold regarding what he should do with his work. HIS work which belonged to him. There are other artists who have destroyed entire swaths of their own work, on purpose. So what? Nobody here created anything to keep or destroy.

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

Does that means extra essays and Prince's quotes & interviews puzeled together from over the years as one book... I wonder.

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The contents of the book have been known for months -- https://www.apnews.com/0c...8b284f044b -- and are detailed on the book's official page -- https://www.penguinrandom...399589652/ . Why do you lot find it so hard to do any research, or even click links?

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Oh yes, that's so true.

But we have you !

Isn't that just great and convenient ?!

No serious;

You are a walking wonder on this earth when it comes to all perfectly detailed and informed Princely information feed.

And don't get me wrong, I really really appreciate that.

I think most of us here do that.

No matter how much of a prick most think you are.

I for one am always happy with your posts, positive or negative.

Keep up the good work.

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poppys said:

People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself.

^^THIS is what Prince thought about people trying to Nanny and scold regarding what he should do with his work. HIS work which belonged to him. There are other artists who have destroyed entire swaths of their own work, on purpose. So what? Nobody here created anything to keep or destroy.

Well, no. That was the problem. For most of his life the music that he was most well known for didn't belong to him. Even now, in retrospect, many of the manoeuvres that he pulled during his fight with WB seemed unnecessary. He didn't appear to have the best negotiating head on his shoulders at that point and the result was that he alienated people, including many fans, and ended up pissing in his own shoes. He came across as a haughty multi-millionaire who people could no longer relate to as his fight for artistic freedom came across in such a muddled way. That he'd signed a seemingly hugely rewarding deal just a few months before left him looking ridiculous. With the slave/name-change stunt he became a laughing stock and too few people cared enough to try to figure out what he was actually making a case for. A real shame but the finger pointed in only one direction and it wasn't at WB. They were actually very generous to him and he thanked them by behaving like a spoilt brat. He really should have tried to handle things in a much more level headed way.

Cloudbuster said:

poppys said:

People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself.

^^THIS is what Prince thought about people trying to Nanny and scold regarding what he should do with his work. HIS work which belonged to him. There are other artists who have destroyed entire swaths of their own work, on purpose. So what? Nobody here created anything to keep or destroy.

Well, no. That was the problem. For most of his life the music that he was most well known for didn't belong to him. Even now, in retrospect, many of the manoeuvres that he pulled during his fight with WB seemed unnecessary. He didn't appear to have the best negotiating head on his shoulders at that point and the result was that he alienated people, including many fans, and ended up pissing in his own shoes. He came across as a haughty multi-millionaire who people could no longer relate to as his fight for artistic freedom came across in such a muddled way. That he'd signed a seemingly hugely rewarding deal just a few months before left him looking ridiculous. With the slave/name-change stunt he became a laughing stock and too few people cared enough to try to figure out what he was actually making a case for. A real shame but the finger pointed in only one direction and it wasn't at WB. They were actually very generous to him and he thanked them by behaving like a spoilt brat. He really should have tried to handle things in a much more level headed way.

Again, so what? Have you ever personally known any really talented artists? Most of them are nuts. Doesn't mean they need (or want) a Nanny. Everything you said is after the fact industry/pissed off fan overview stuff.

I was speaking in a broad sense that without his output as an artist - from the get - there would be none of this opinion jockeying. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what he really should have done. That's your problem, not his, or mine. This thread is supposed to be about an article about a book, btw. Plenty of psychoanalysis in countless other threads.

poppys said:.

Again, so what? Have you ever personally known any really talented artists? Most of them are nuts. Doesn't mean they need (or want) a Nanny. Everything you said is after the fact industry/pissed off fan overview stuff.

I was speaking in a broad sense that without his output as an artist - from the get - there would be none of this opinion jockeying. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what he really should have done. That's your problem, not his, or mine. This thread is supposed to be about an article about a book, btw. Plenty of psychoanalysis in countless other threads.

Thanks for the delightful retort. "His work which belonged to him" remains for the most part a falsehood, however.
Arrivederci.

Cloudbuster said:

poppys said:.

Again, so what? Have you ever personally known any really talented artists? Most of them are nuts. Doesn't mean they need (or want) a Nanny. Everything you said is after the fact industry/pissed off fan overview stuff.

I was speaking in a broad sense that without his output as an artist - from the get - there would be none of this opinion jockeying. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what he really should have done. That's your problem, not his, or mine. This thread is supposed to be about an article about a book, btw. Plenty of psychoanalysis in countless other threads.

Thanks for the delightful retort. "His work which belonged to him" remains for the most part a falsehood, however.
Arrivederci.

Ta-ta. I've noticed this a lot lately. If you don't like what someone else says, the mocking laugh emoticon works for any occasion.

Interesting you said for the most part - a truly ruthless businessperson would have closed that loophole. Historically, artists are the most exploited creators of the new. Even Michelangelo had to answer to the Pope.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeggyO said:

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

I bet he did to.

yeh.... with all THAT baggage