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Thread started 08/22/19 3:01pm

RODSERLING

Who on the org didn't buy Originals and why?

You can speak freely, we won't judge you lol
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Reply #1 posted 08/22/19 6:52pm

DD55

RODSERLING said:

You can speak freely, we won't judge you lol

I haven’t posted in a while, i have just been stopping by and sort of lurking, so here goes. Remember you said No judgment… I was not blown away by the album.

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I probably would have / might have purchased a few songs, but prior to opening itunes, I was poking around on YouTube looking at different older nostalgia artists (for lack of a better term) I got completely distracted by Karen Carpenter and ended up buying several of her songs. Then when I went back to itunes and Prince ‘originals’ I just ended up closing iTunes.

..... no judgement.

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Reply #2 posted 08/22/19 7:44pm

Strive

I did a Tidal trial to listen to the album a bunch.

I don't care about the barebones CD but, if I was going to buy the album, I'd have to buy it from Amazon since they include a digital copy with the CD. So, long story short, I'd either have to have something else I'd want to buy with Originals to get to the $25 mark for free shipping or the price of the MP3 would have to be $5 or under for me to forgo getting the CD. That's what happened with Mayte's book when I bought the Kindle edition for $3.

The actual quality of the album has nothing to do with it. Since Prince is no longer with us, I don't feel the urgency to buy day 1 like I did with 3rdEyeTunes or AoA/PE. I can wait, unless the value is out of this world like Purple Rain Deluxe.

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Reply #3 posted 08/22/19 7:45pm

mynameisnotsus
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Been listening to it on spotify. I like it alot - but am resisting buying 'things' anymore. I have enough things. I have more musical things in my house than I could possibly listen to in my life. I might get the vinyl at some point but I'm not in any hurry. Maybe part of the appeal before was that there was a possibility it could be performed live - its not quite the same now for me.
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Reply #4 posted 08/22/19 8:00pm

Mikado

Yeah, I've just been streaming it on Spotify - no need to double dip for a barebones CD.

The album itself showed why Prince gave those songs away - you can't tell me Jungle Love isn't better suited to Morris or that the Manic Monday didn't work better with The Bangles. Some of the more "anonymous" protege songs weren't included - stuff like Get It Up or 777-9311 which I was probably more interested in hearing.

Of course I'm always glad to hear new Prince stuff in high quality, but I doubt I'll be returning to any of the demos on Originals. More of a curious oddity thing personally.

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Reply #5 posted 08/23/19 12:58am

TheFreakerFant
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Streaming on Deezer only.

Why? Because there was no real reason to get the CD, it didn't have proper liner notes and in order to buy it I have to want to listen to it more than a few times and feel that enough care and effort went in to do that. They mucked around with the sound by adding echoes to vocals, altered the mixes making them sound very non Prince like to me and used substandard (not the 'best') versions of the songs (still reeling from them using a version of Baby You're A Trip, one of his best ever songs IMO, with Jill's and not Prince's far superior backing vocals).

It was also the same for P&M 1983, I don't want to encourage quick cash ins and rush releases.

I did buy PR Deluxe and still enjoy it. If they do a good job on 1999 Deluxe then I'll buy that physically. But please put the proper liner notes and interviews in the actual CD version and not just the special editions/vinyls if you want people to still buy physical.

[Edited 8/23/19 1:01am]

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Reply #6 posted 08/23/19 1:15am

RicoN

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Honestly, I've just not been able to justify stumping up £50 for the deluxe version.

I'm thinking of asking the wife to get it me for christmas.

The prices on the vinyl releases are just stupid

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Reply #7 posted 08/23/19 1:54am

mynameisnotsus
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RicoN said:

Honestly, I've just not been able to justify stumping up £50 for the deluxe version.



I'm thinking of asking the wife to get it me for christmas.



The prices on the vinyl releases are just stupid





:yeahthat:

Just checked the biggest local retailer and they want $155 Australian whofarted
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Reply #8 posted 08/23/19 1:54am

TheFman

Me, cause i'll be buying only something ORIGINAL, not something what i already know for 30 years.

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Reply #9 posted 08/23/19 2:51am

BlueShakooo

I listened to it on Tidal and Spotify and intended to buy it.
I like it (but I don't love it).
Someone here on the org complained lately about the "300 year release strategy" of the estate.
That's my big complaint as well.
All Fans keep saying to each other "You have to buy every release, to support the estate and make them release more and more."
Well, my thoughts are more and more like: "Hey Estate: Deliver something real good, and I'm willing to give you my money."
Right now, I'm fine with Spotify.
"Don't get too serious, it's just a dream."
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Reply #10 posted 08/23/19 4:22am

nosajd

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Been listening on Tidal. I will buy the vinyl eventually b/c I do love the album, but there's nothing on there that I feel like I have to have right now.

I know a lot of people on here are anti-streaming, but it's your loss really. I listen to all new music now on Tidal and when I feel like I need to hear it on vinyl I double down and order it.

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Reply #11 posted 08/23/19 4:29am

ForbiddenFruit

I didn't buy it - they lost me with Piano & a microphone, which I didn't buy either...

All I want is one CD-Box with every finished but unreleased recording. One DVD for every tour, that's it.

Moonbeam Levels, Baby You're A Trip and Wonderful Ass were all recorded between July and November 1982, but I have to buy three different posthumous releases to hear them. That's stupid.

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Reply #12 posted 08/23/19 4:37am

RODSERLING

ForbiddenFruit said:

I didn't buy it - they lost me with Piano & a microphone, which I didn't buy either...



All I want is one CD-Box with every finished but unreleased recording. One DVD for every tour, that's it.



Moonbeam Levels, Baby You're A Trip and Wonderful Ass were all recorded between July and November 1982, but I have to buy three different posthumous releases to hear them. That's stupid.



Baby You re a trip, IIRC, was recorded circa 1987. It sounds more recent than 1982.
In fact, it even sounds like escaped from the Emancipation sessions.
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Reply #13 posted 08/23/19 5:01am

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RODSERLING said:

ForbiddenFruit said:

I didn't buy it - they lost me with Piano & a microphone, which I didn't buy either...

All I want is one CD-Box with every finished but unreleased recording. One DVD for every tour, that's it.

Moonbeam Levels, Baby You're A Trip and Wonderful Ass were all recorded between July and November 1982, but I have to buy three different posthumous releases to hear them. That's stupid.

Baby You re a trip, IIRC, was recorded circa 1987. It sounds more recent than 1982. In fact, it even sounds like escaped from the Emancipation sessions.

Both the production and especially the singing style always screamed (literally) 1999 to me.

PrinceVault says recorded the day after "Lady Cab Driver." That makes most sense, the production hits that same 1/2 electro-funk 1/2 organic instrumentation sweet spot, right in the middle.

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Reply #14 posted 08/23/19 8:12am

TheFreakerFant
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RODSERLING said:

ForbiddenFruit said:

I didn't buy it - they lost me with Piano & a microphone, which I didn't buy either...

All I want is one CD-Box with every finished but unreleased recording. One DVD for every tour, that's it.

Moonbeam Levels, Baby You're A Trip and Wonderful Ass were all recorded between July and November 1982, but I have to buy three different posthumous releases to hear them. That's stupid.

Baby You re a trip, IIRC, was recorded circa 1987. It sounds more recent than 1982. In fact, it even sounds like escaped from the Emancipation sessions.

You're getting that mixed up with Jill Jones' version which appears on her album, with horns etc, that was recorded '86/87.. The original was from 1982. However, I have also always felt it would have fit nicely on Emancipation, it somehow has a similar vibe. I'm just annoyed that they used the version with Jill's backing vocals rather than Prince's far more passionate backing vocals on Originals.

[Edited 8/23/19 8:13am]

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Reply #15 posted 08/23/19 8:29am

darkroman

I have found most 'fans' don't actually buy everything released by Prince and his associates!

Unlike myself, I have never come across anyone else that buys everything on each format.

Maybe people are more selective, which is fair enough, but I find if odd when people can be overtly critical of Prince when they haven't invested in his career.


cool

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Reply #16 posted 08/23/19 8:48am

RODSERLING

TheFreakerFantastic said:



RODSERLING said:


ForbiddenFruit said:

I didn't buy it - they lost me with Piano & a microphone, which I didn't buy either...



All I want is one CD-Box with every finished but unreleased recording. One DVD for every tour, that's it.



Moonbeam Levels, Baby You're A Trip and Wonderful Ass were all recorded between July and November 1982, but I have to buy three different posthumous releases to hear them. That's stupid.



Baby You re a trip, IIRC, was recorded circa 1987. It sounds more recent than 1982. In fact, it even sounds like escaped from the Emancipation sessions.


You're getting that mixed up with Jill Jones' version which appears on her album, with horns etc, that was recorded '86/87.. The original was from 1982. However, I have also always felt it would have fit nicely on Emancipation, it somehow has a similar vibe. I'm just annoyed that they used the version with Jill's backing vocals rather than Prince's far more passionate backing vocals on Originals.

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If these versions with Prince background vocals exist, what was the official reason it didn't make the cut on Originals ?
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I am also amazed they didn't put the maxi version of Sex Shooter on it. The best part of the song was for me the long intro.
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To me, if there are really versions with Prince background vocals for some tracks on Originals existing, then that would have been the goal of the deluxe edition to present them.
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I can understand the choice of putting other people making background vocals on it : Prince did that his whole career from 1999 to Black Muse.
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But what was the point of the deluxe edition if not presenting material absent from the regular edition 3 times cheaper?
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There is no way a booklet of only 12 pages more, without even lyrics of all the songs printed on it, could be a sufficient commercial/artistic argument.
That makes no sense at all.
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Worst, there are only 4 songs with lyrics printed, and they are presented twice (!) : The original booklets and the manuscript. Couldn't they pick at least 4 other songs instead of making appear twice the same lyrics ?
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Was it forbidden to print every lyrics of every songs?
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It is even less expensive to buy the regular CD edition+ the vinyl instead of the deluxe edition.
Worst, this is a huge set, but the packaging for the vinyl is really poor ( same with Piano&Mic).
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There is not even ONE remix added for the deluxe edition, or another version of a song ready on Originals, to try filling the 15 minutes of unused space left.
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They are really bad at marketing and packaging, frankly...
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No wonder why nobody buys records anymore, especially this one.
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Reply #17 posted 08/23/19 2:57pm

PeteSilas

Mikado said:

Yeah, I've just been streaming it on Spotify - no need to double dip for a barebones CD.

The album itself showed why Prince gave those songs away - you can't tell me Jungle Love isn't better suited to Morris or that the Manic Monday didn't work better with The Bangles. Some of the more "anonymous" protege songs weren't included - stuff like Get It Up or 777-9311 which I was probably more interested in hearing.

Of course I'm always glad to hear new Prince stuff in high quality, but I doubt I'll be returning to any of the demos on Originals. More of a curious oddity thing personally.

i don't know, prince had his own touches that are well worth hearing, the laugh at the beginning of jungle love and the funky break in manic monday that the bangles left out. and, i probably heard gigolos get lonely 2 but I never was struck by it until i heard this version, prince, like all the great singers had a way of conveying sincerity that the mediocrities don't, and that's because you can't fake passion.

[Edited 8/23/19 17:06pm]

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Reply #18 posted 08/23/19 2:59pm

PeteSilas

darkroman said:

I have found most 'fans' don't actually buy everything released by Prince and his associates!

Unlike myself, I have never come across anyone else that buys everything on each format.

Maybe people are more selective, which is fair enough, but I find if odd when people can be overtly critical of Prince when they haven't invested in his career.


cool

i hear you, that's why i spent real money and bought hard copy's, i want more and although you can hear all of this for free, i want to support his legacy with cold hard cash.

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Reply #19 posted 08/23/19 4:35pm

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I have been listening on YouTube. biggrin

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Reply #20 posted 08/23/19 5:08pm

PeteSilas

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Reply #21 posted 08/23/19 5:08pm

nonesuch

I feel uncomfortable supporting a release-schedule that doesn't cater my needs so far. That's why I haven't purchased anything at all since 2016. I want proper deluxe-sets of the golden era, live-albums, the lot.

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Reply #22 posted 08/23/19 6:47pm

SoulAlive

I bought it but I gotta be honest....I got bored with it very quickly.It seems like an odd project...hearing Prince sing something like “Make-Up” biggrin I would much rather have the 1999 Deluxe Edition and all the great unreleased songs from that album/era.’Originals’ is fun for a few listens but let’s bring on the 1999 Deluxe Edition next!
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Reply #23 posted 08/24/19 12:51pm

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The vinyl prices utterly turned me off the idea of buying it on release. £20-25 for the standard black version and anything up to £40 for the purple deluxe one, I could’ve lived with. As it is, I listen to it on Spotify and will probably pick up a cheap used vinyl copy at some point down the line, especially as I’ve got other Prince collecting priorities at the minute.
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Reply #24 posted 08/24/19 1:18pm

PeteSilas

ChickenMcNuggets said:

The vinyl prices utterly turned me off the idea of buying it on release. £20-25 for the standard black version and anything up to £40 for the purple deluxe one, I could’ve lived with. As it is, I listen to it on Spotify and will probably pick up a cheap used vinyl copy at some point down the line, especially as I’ve got other Prince collecting priorities at the minute.

the purple rain deluxe had a dvd of syracuse with better sound, someone is at least trying to give you some bang for the buck.

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Reply #25 posted 08/24/19 3:25pm

Graycap23

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It is a novelty, nothing more.

At some point, the Estate will figure this out.

Either release some new(unknown) music or u don' get any money from people like me.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #26 posted 08/24/19 3:34pm

jdcxc

I don’t understand why a Prince fan wud purposefully not buy a new Prince album. Is that $10 really gonna break you? It’s a couple Starbucks Frappuccinos.
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Reply #27 posted 08/24/19 5:09pm

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I'm waiting on The Chocolate Invasion, The Slaughter House, Black is the New Black, etc.........

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #28 posted 08/24/19 5:18pm

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jdcxc said:

I don’t understand why a Prince fan wud purposefully not buy a new Prince album. Is that $10 really gonna break you? It’s a couple Starbucks Frappuccinos.

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Not every Prince fan cares to have a copy of everything. I can think of lots of artists I consider myself a massive fan of but don't care to buy a copy of everything put out by them or their estates. I'm sure you can too.

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Reply #29 posted 08/24/19 5:57pm

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I bought it and will continue to buy every new vinyl physical release. However, if you are not a fan of vinyl, I understand if you didnt buy physical copies. That said, streaming is buying. Welcome to now.

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