rogifan said:

laytonian said:

Priscilla Presley and her daughter have sold off everything but the Graceland estate itself (and the daughter is claiming she's broke). The rest was a circus-like strip mall across the street.

Look at what Paisley is bringing in, weekly, on the tours. They are mostly sold out (especially the $160 x 15 people = $2400 tour which is held at least twice a day, three times a week). Add in the GA and VIP tours, plus the PPAD events, and there has to be enough to keep it operational. Unless Graceland is taking too much off the top.

I am HAPPY that Graceland's contract is not being renewed. They have not run any special exhibitions to bring people back again. imagine what could be done if they had a guitar exhibition in the sound stage. Two automobiles and some clothing arrayed on the soundstage with a lot of empty space in the4 center.
The Super Bowl performance is hardly visible in the gift shop as you're leaving. THAT should be as important as the films.

They had a jokey. ridiculous emcee'd dance contest at PPAD where the chosen dancers were not all rewarded despite fun being made of them.

Comerica can bring in an executive manager. Graceland helped them get started but they can improve on that now.

I don't know a lot about Graceland. Is it still popular? Is it profitable?

All I care about with PP is that they find a way to keep it in the hands of the estate. Whether it's a museum or something else I don't care. Do whatever is necessary to pay the bills and keep it alive.

rogifan said:

laytonian said:

Priscilla Presley and her daughter have sold off everything but the Graceland estate itself (and the daughter is claiming she's broke). The rest was a circus-like strip mall across the street.

Look at what Paisley is bringing in, weekly, on the tours. They are mostly sold out (especially the $160 x 15 people = $2400 tour which is held at least twice a day, three times a week). Add in the GA and VIP tours, plus the PPAD events, and there has to be enough to keep it operational. Unless Graceland is taking too much off the top.

I am HAPPY that Graceland's contract is not being renewed. They have not run any special exhibitions to bring people back again. imagine what could be done if they had a guitar exhibition in the sound stage. Two automobiles and some clothing arrayed on the soundstage with a lot of empty space in the4 center.
The Super Bowl performance is hardly visible in the gift shop as you're leaving. THAT should be as important as the films.

They had a jokey. ridiculous emcee'd dance contest at PPAD where the chosen dancers were not all rewarded despite fun being made of them.

Comerica can bring in an executive manager. Graceland helped them get started but they can improve on that now.

I don't know a lot about Graceland. Is it still popular? Is it profitable?

All I care about with PP is that they find a way to keep it in the hands of the estate. Whether it's a museum or something else I don't care. Do whatever is necessary to pay the bills and keep it alive.

I am hoping for the best re: Paisley Park. I just don't have trust in the heirs.I know the Estate will run Paisley, so I will keep a watch-and wait approach. I do know that Elvis's Graceland remains very well-attended.

Lisa strikes me as someone who has issues of some kind. Do not know.

wont they primarily have interest to keep paisley going.....wil they have legal ight to release vault material??

[Edited 8/27/19 15:25pm]

donnyenglish said:

This is about dysfunction. The Estate is not going to run Paisley Park. They/Comerica will have to get another entity (like Graceland) to run it so don't believe the spin. Graceland left because it was a sh** show. I posted the following two reviews during the Celebration this year that forecasted this:

https://prince.org/msg/2/4529227

"I have seen businnesses just before they shut down. Paisley Park wont be here in its current status much longer. I am glad I came because things dont look good for the future. I think the people who run it are doing the best they can but there is so much dysfunction with the estate that they cannot run the place effectively. This sh**t show will get worse when the heirs take over."

https://prince.org/msg/2/459254

"Get to Paisley while you can. ONce Graceland recoups their investment, they will be gone like thieves in the night. The place will become a shit show when the heirs get involved. If you don't believe me check the newest location of that hideous urn today. I give the event a D overall and an F for VIP. Again, this is not Graceland's fault ande I'm not being contrarian."

Where is the urn actually? I saw it last November in the front, high up and I heard they removed it but dont know where

laytonian said:

PeggyO said:

I am also uneasy about this turn of events.

Priscilla Presley drives Graceland's success.

Once again, there is not a competent, caring person at the helm

of Paisley.

Priscilla Presley and her daughter have sold off everything but the Graceland estate itself (and the daughter is claiming she's broke). The rest was a circus-like strip mall across the street.

Look at what Paisley is bringing in, weekly, on the tours. They are mostly sold out (especially the $160 x 15 people = $2400 tour which is held at least twice a day, three times a week). Add in the GA and VIP tours, plus the PPAD events, and there has to be enough to keep it operational. Unless Graceland is taking too much off the top.

I am HAPPY that Graceland's contract is not being renewed. They have not run any special exhibitions to bring people back again. imagine what could be done if they had a guitar exhibition in the sound stage. Two automobiles and some clothing arrayed on the soundstage with a lot of empty space in the4 center.
The Super Bowl performance is hardly visible in the gift shop as you're leaving. THAT should be as important as the films.

They had a jokey. ridiculous emcee'd dance contest at PPAD where the chosen dancers were not all rewarded despite fun being made of them.

Comerica can bring in an executive manager. Graceland helped them get started but they can improve on that now.

I did a calculation on this , somehwere in this thread a year or so ago...

Laura Richardson and I got right into it...

I tried to search it but cant find it, and cant be bothered to do it again,

but I do recall...taking everything into account the Estate was pulling in at least 6 Million a year...

and these were conservative figures...

VioletViewPoint: Welcome 2 The Dawn ... of a New Paisley Park Museum Management Plan

Violet Brown, Esq.

luv4u said:

VioletViewPoint: Welcome 2 The Dawn ... of a New Paisley Park Museum Management Plan

Violet Brown, Esq.

The sky was all purple, there were people running everywhere...[1]

At this point, we've all seen them out there, "Elvis has left the building," "Dead Like Elvis," and other similar quotes exploding into the Purple World discussion. Some Purple Folk are trying to promote Positivity while others are already in a panic because, you know, humans.


Read the rest here: http://violetbinteractive...UfVIOU5Wmc

What happens when the fans aged 40-80 die? Does anyone think younger people will make the pilgrimage to Minnesota to visit PP? IMO plans should be made today to deal with what is going to happen not so long from now. The building complex needs to be preserved - perhaps gain entry early onto the National Registry of historic buildings.

1Sasha said:

luv4u said:

VioletViewPoint: Welcome 2 The Dawn ... of a New Paisley Park Museum Management Plan

Violet Brown, Esq.

What happens when the fans aged 40-80 die? Does anyone think younger people will make the pilgrimage to Minnesota to visit PP? IMO plans should be made today to deal with what is going to happen not so long from now. The building complex needs to be preserved - perhaps gain entry early onto the National Registry of historic buildings.

That's when you raise your kids on Prince music so by the time they get older they will instill Prince in their kids .............

I think also to keep PP profitable for many years to come is to have other artists use it for recordings, tour rehearsals, small concerts, listening parties and they can also allow students to have school assemblies and perhaps people can do some podcasts and radio shows there. Also if they get the zoning straightened out, turn the Egg building into a restaurant and someday build a hotel. Now I know this won't be happening overnight and there will probably be some bumps in the road along the way, but I think it should be considered. I don't think just relying on tours of the museum and the celebration events are enough to keep it going long term imo. This would be a great way for folks who not only love Prince to take part and learn more but also those who don't know much about him and want to learn and appreciate his contribution to music. If all this is planned correctly the possiblities can be endless on how PP could be fully utilized. Oh yes I agree that it should be preserved and on the National Registry of historic buildings.

[Edited 8/28/19 13:08pm]

Missmusicluver72 said:

I think also to keep PP profitable for many years to come is to have other artists use it for recordings, tour rehearsals, small concerts, listening parties and they can also allow students to have school assemblies and perhaps people can do some podcasts and radio shows there. Also if they get the zoning straightened out, turn the Egg building into a restaurant and someday build a hotel. Now I know this won't be happening overnight and there will probably be some bumps in the road along the way, but I think it should be considered. I don't think just relying on tours of the museum and the celebration events are enough to keep it going long term imo. This would be a great way for folks who not only love Prince to take part and learn more but also those who don't know much about him and want to learn and appreciate his contribution to music. Oh yes I agree that it should be preserved and on the National Registry.

good idea..cant someone buy the egg space and build a hotel....guarenteed money

muchtoofast said:

rnb said:

I have visited Paisley Park multiple times since Prince passing, as a museum. And I for one am glad that Graceland is no longer is going to be in charge! I am looking forward to the family taking over the duties! Hopefully, the new directors of PP, who actually knew Prince and his wishes, will bring the magic back into Prince's home for the fans!

How can the family do that?

By making Paisley Park more alive where we can hear Prince's voice, hear his music and see his thoughts thereby making our visits there a 22nd Century Interactive Experience! While Prince was here on earth - going to Paisley Park was an Experience but now it seems like a Mausoleum once Graceland took over. And I am sure the estate can come through by doing a much better job.

Missmusicluver72 said:

I think also to keep PP profitable for many years to come is to have other artists use it for recordings, tour rehearsals, small concerts, listening parties and they can also allow students to have school assemblies and perhaps people can do some podcasts and radio shows there. Also if they get the zoning straightened out, turn the Egg building into a restaurant and someday build a hotel. Now I know this won't be happening overnight and there will probably be some bumps in the road along the way, but I think it should be considered. I don't think just relying on tours of the museum and the celebration events are enough to keep it going long term imo. This would be a great way for folks who not only love Prince to take part and learn more but also those who don't know much about him and want to learn and appreciate his contribution to music. If all this is planned correctly the possiblities can be endless on how PP could be fully utilized. Oh yes I agree that it should be preserved and on the National Registry of historic buildings.

[Edited 8/28/19 13:08pm]

Great Ideas!!!

Can somebody get The Family members to read this!

Astasheiks said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

I think also to keep PP profitable for many years to come is to have other artists use it for recordings, tour rehearsals, small concerts, listening parties and they can also allow students to have school assemblies and perhaps people can do some podcasts and radio shows there. Also if they get the zoning straightened out, turn the Egg building into a restaurant and someday build a hotel. Now I know this won't be happening overnight and there will probably be some bumps in the road along the way, but I think it should be considered. I don't think just relying on tours of the museum and the celebration events are enough to keep it going long term imo. This would be a great way for folks who not only love Prince to take part and learn more but also those who don't know much about him and want to learn and appreciate his contribution to music. If all this is planned correctly the possiblities can be endless on how PP could be fully utilized. Oh yes I agree that it should be preserved and on the National Registry of historic buildings.

[Edited 8/28/19 13:08pm]

Great Ideas!!!

Can somebody get The Family members to read this!

Thank U so much! I hope someone will read this just to get a few ideas.

Missmusicluver72 said:

I think also to keep PP profitable for many years to come is to have other artists use it for recordings, tour rehearsals, small concerts, listening parties and they can also allow students to have school assemblies and perhaps people can do some podcasts and radio shows there. Also if they get the zoning straightened out, turn the Egg building into a restaurant and someday build a hotel. Now I know this won't be happening overnight and there will probably be some bumps in the road along the way, but I think it should be considered. I don't think just relying on tours of the museum and the celebration events are enough to keep it going long term imo. This would be a great way for folks who not only love Prince to take part and learn more but also those who don't know much about him and want to learn and appreciate his contribution to music. If all this is planned correctly the possiblities can be endless on how PP could be fully utilized. Oh yes I agree that it should be preserved and on the National Registry of historic buildings.

[Edited 8/28/19 13:08pm]

don't be silly...far too much common sense in your plan! As if the so called Heirs have anything resembling a collective plan...or business brain!

I could see PP become part museum, part learning facility, as well as rented space for parties, meetings, or conventions as has been done for the Super Bowl the last couple of years. I'm not really sure how viable it is to be used for an artist recording facility though...is the equipment modern enough? I'd have thought Prince would have tried promoting it as such in more recent times to help support the cost of maintaining that enormous building. I'll be the first to admit I don't know anything about this stuff though. It would be nice if something could also be done with the egg building too.

[Edited 8/29/19 19:23pm]

Whoever it was that asked about Graceland...I live in Memphis and used to have to travel up and down Elvis Presley Boulevard. They would have people standing in lines to get on the bus to travel across the street to Graceland that I would see every day. So, yeah, it's still popular.

Mumio said:

I could see PP become part museum, part learning facility, as well as rented space for parties, meetings, or conventions as has been done for the Super Bowl the last couple of years.

Uh... did I miss the part where it is a museum, and used for listening parties, events, and otherwise?

I do think part of PP's areas that are going unused could be utilized as learning rooms for recordings, etc. I think about St. Paul teaching at the Minnesota Music Institute (or whatever it was called), which was in the old Flyte Tyme studios (once they moved to Los Angeles). He used to live stream from there on occasion. People were learning engineering, mixing, all the technical sides of music and more. I think the studios as museum exhibits is important. But there are rows of rooms and areas not being used (like the Egg!) that could become a tech college of sorts. Why not have Prince's chef give cooking classes?? Even our grocery store (which is huge) has a cooking school in it where people can book a la carte classes.

I think none of us should assume Paisley Park is going to stay as-is forever. It's not a great business model per se. They'll have to diversify at some point. That comes with time, demand, etc.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

I think also to keep PP profitable for many years to come is to have other artists use it for recordings, tour rehearsals, small concerts, listening parties and they can also allow students to have school assemblies and perhaps people can do some podcasts and radio shows there. Also if they get the zoning straightened out, turn the Egg building into a restaurant and someday build a hotel. Now I know this won't be happening overnight and there will probably be some bumps in the road along the way, but I think it should be considered. I don't think just relying on tours of the museum and the celebration events are enough to keep it going long term imo. This would be a great way for folks who not only love Prince to take part and learn more but also those who don't know much about him and want to learn and appreciate his contribution to music. If all this is planned correctly the possiblities can be endless on how PP could be fully utilized. Oh yes I agree that it should be preserved and on the National Registry of historic buildings.

[Edited 8/28/19 13:08pm]

don't be silly...far too much common sense in your plan! As if the so called Heirs have anything resembling a collective plan...or business brain!

Aww c'mon now! What is so wrong with trying to stay positive with some ideas they could all get together and explore? Nothing wrong with trying.

Missmusicluver72 said:

I think if the Estate was wise, they would retain Graceland at least in an advisory role. It's not wise to go cold turkey from something that has (seemingly) run fairly smoothly for almost 3 years.

An earlier post said the family would bring back some "magic" to the tour. I don't see how a change in ownership on its own would do that. The tour I was on was pretty magical! I think it's all on the tour guide to create that magic, which ours did.

One of my only suggestions for PP Tour is to include many more instruments. I'm imagining almost a full room devoted to just guitars with giant graphics behind the guitars showing Prince in action with that guitar. For security, they'd have to be behind glass and such, but it could be done.

Se7en said:

I think if the Estate was wise, they would retain Graceland at least in an advisory role. It's not wise to go cold turkey from something that has (seemingly) run fairly smoothly for almost 3 years.

An earlier post said the family would bring back some "magic" to the tour. I don't see how a change in ownership on its own would do that. The tour I was on was pretty magical! I think it's all on the tour guide to create that magic, which ours did.

One of my only suggestions for PP Tour is to include many more instruments. I'm imagining almost a full room devoted to just guitars with giant graphics behind the guitars showing Prince in action with that guitar. For security, they'd have to be behind glass and such, but it could be done.

They could do so much more with the soundstage area, i.e. more instruments, more clothes. They need to update what is on display more often too. I mean they said they had almost 7,000 artifacts and we have only seen a very small fraction of that.

I would love for them to do like themes. Like Parade, pull a bunch of clothes and instruments from that time, play the album, show UTCM, show a concert. Yes, it would be a long tour, but I think people traveling here for it wouldn't mind.

motherfunka said:

Se7en said:

I think if the Estate was wise, they would retain Graceland at least in an advisory role. It's not wise to go cold turkey from something that has (seemingly) run fairly smoothly for almost 3 years.

An earlier post said the family would bring back some "magic" to the tour. I don't see how a change in ownership on its own would do that. The tour I was on was pretty magical! I think it's all on the tour guide to create that magic, which ours did.

One of my only suggestions for PP Tour is to include many more instruments. I'm imagining almost a full room devoted to just guitars with giant graphics behind the guitars showing Prince in action with that guitar. For security, they'd have to be behind glass and such, but it could be done.

They could do so much more with the soundstage area, i.e. more instruments, more clothes. They need to update what is on display more often too. I mean they said they had almost 7,000 artifacts and we have only seen a very small fraction of that.

I would love for them to do like themes. Like Parade, pull a bunch of clothes and instruments from that time, play the album, show UTCM, show a concert. Yes, it would be a long tour, but I think people traveling here for it wouldn't mind.

I'm picturing a wall of guitars . . . like 20' - 30' feet long, 2-3 guitars high in display cases with corresponding graphics behind them. All behind glass (you can do the descriptions on the inside of the glass). The soundstage makes the most sense, since you wouldn't really be "altering" anything that already exists in the hallways, etc.

fuck it, i'm just going to say it. The remaining 5 heirs seem to lack any level of intelligence, they are clearly very limited in their intellectual ability.

Would anyone on here hire them as a main board to run a multi-million $ organisation with hugely complex legal issues?

They clearly don't know that basics of business & what their most loyal customer base needs/wants. Worse still is that they clearly have no genuine knowledge about Prince's music beyiond the hits.

It is essential that they have as much help as possible & once again [FFS!] they NEED to consult with the fans. Come on here or across social media & do a basic poll, ask us questions & engage with your customers!!

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fuck it, i'm just going to say it. The remaining 5 heirs seem to lack any level of intelligence, they are clearly very limited in their intellectual ability.

Would anyone on here hire them as a main board to run a multi-million $ organisation with hugely complex legal issues?

They clearly don't know that basics of business & what their most loyal customer base needs/wants. Worse still is that they clearly have no genuine knowledge about Prince's music beyiond the hits.

It is essential that they have as much help as possible & once again [FFS!] they NEED to consult with the fans. Come on here or across social media & do a basic poll, ask us questions & engage with your customers!!

I do think some of them think they could run it better than the Estate, but not all, including the judge apprarently. To say that they have no genuine knowledge beyond the hits isn't true, maybe some but not all. They are getting feedback, maybe just not across social media. A poll would be great, maybe on one of the official Prince sites. Problem is, you'd be talking to people appointed by the Estate, since the family isn't running anything.

Remember, it's going back to the estate, NOT the heirs. As long as the estate is in probate, the estate will deal with this stuff. The heirs have been named, but have not inherited anything yet and won't until probate is over...which could still be years yet. Comerica along with the court will decide who takes over running PP, not the heirs.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fuck it, i'm just going to say it. The remaining 5 heirs seem to lack any level of intelligence, they are clearly very limited in their intellectual ability.

Would anyone on here hire them as a main board to run a multi-million $ organisation with hugely complex legal issues?

They clearly don't know that basics of business & what their most loyal customer base needs/wants. Worse still is that they clearly have no genuine knowledge about Prince's music beyiond the hits.

It is essential that they have as much help as possible & once again [FFS!] they NEED to consult with the fans. Come on here or across social media & do a basic poll, ask us questions & engage with your customers!!

remember Sharon DID ask us what we wanted released

Mumio said:

Remember, it's going back to the estate, NOT the heirs. As long as the estate is in probate, the estate will deal with this stuff. The heirs have been named, but have not inherited anything yet and won't until probate is over...which could still be years yet. Comerica along with the court will decide who takes over running PP, not the heirs.

Thanks for the explanation.

Also from an earlier post, I do agree that the estate should consult with the fans too by checking social media requests, this messageboard and doing polls. That would be cool. At the end of the day it is the fans who will keep PP alive.

[Edited 8/30/19 14:39pm]

Mumio, had the best response on this Prince.org in a while. The Estate is a bunch lawyers, not the Nelson Family Heirs. Unfortuntely from the responses your read on the many of the posts bepeople think "The Prince Estate" is the Nelson Family Heirs, Tyka and the other family members.

Prince.org and the moderators should do a better jobs of NOT perpetuating this false narritive. Just say the "The Estate" or "The Prince Estate" is a bunch of lawyers and accountants, lets call them out by their name and law firm, if we know. Also moderators clarify in the titles of these discussion posts the Nelson Family has little to do with the Estate and their decisions.

Mumio said it best, and I agree, we as fans are being mis-informed about everything. All the money is going to some Law Firms (Bremer Trust, then Comica), appointed by a Judge, The lawyers have charged and collected over 20 Million US dollars. Prince.org should make clear whom is making money on everything since Prince passing. it is not the Nelson Family or Heirs. Do the Nelson Family even have any say on what is currently going on with the music that is being released and the profits from it?

TrivialPursuit said:

Mumio said:

I could see PP become part museum, part learning facility, as well as rented space for parties, meetings, or conventions as has been done for the Super Bowl the last couple of years.

Uh... did I miss the part where it is a museum, and used for listening parties, events, and otherwise?

I do think part of PP's areas that are going unused could be utilized as learning rooms for recordings, etc. I think about St. Paul teaching at the Minnesota Music Institute (or whatever it was called), which was in the old Flyte Tyme studios (once they moved to Los Angeles). He used to live stream from there on occasion. People were learning engineering, mixing, all the technical sides of music and more. I think the studios as museum exhibits is important. But there are rows of rooms and areas not being used (like the Egg!) that could become a tech college of sorts. Why not have Prince's chef give cooking classes?? Even our grocery store (which is huge) has a cooking school in it where people can book a la carte classes.

I think none of us should assume Paisley Park is going to stay as-is forever. It's not a great business model per se. They'll have to diversify at some point. That comes with time, demand, etc.

The location of PP is going to be a problem with the ideas that you have presented. Especially in the Winter.