ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeggyO said:

Was that the one that was unavailable to us...perhaps sealed by the judge?

Yes, the transcript may have been sealed but I dont know this for certain.

Not all depositions are transcribed. Once there is a deposition you must request a transcript if you want a copy.

Court reporters charge big $ per page to transcribe depositions.

A 7 hour deposition would be quite costly.

All we know is that a copy of the deposition has not been leaked at this point in time.

Thanks for the information.

Leave Kirk alone. Nothing he says can bring Prince back. And he's not going to give anyone closure. You need to find that yourself.

rogifan said:

Leave Kirk alone. Nothing he says can bring Prince back. And he's not going to give anyone closure. You need to find that yourself.

Poor Kirk. He is the pompus one pretty much taunting he has information and won't share remember “Kirk has a vault. Right here. It’s never gonna be unlocked,” Johnson said, pointing to his head. You would think he would want to find how this happened and who was responsible... Prince is not coming back.

macaylasdad said:

rogifan said:

Leave Kirk alone. Nothing he says can bring Prince back. And he's not going to give anyone closure. You need to find that yourself.

Poor Kirk. He is the pompus one pretty much taunting he has information and won't share remember “Kirk has a vault. Right here. It’s never gonna be unlocked,” Johnson said, pointing to his head. You would think he would want to find how this happened and who was responsible... Prince is not coming back.

He likely knows 'how it happened' and I am certain Prince would have appreciated his silence.

If you are looking for more background on Prince's death, I would recommend the Org. "Death" threads which can be illuminating though contentious at times. Some Orgers did not feel comfortable and voiced those opinions intermittently as well. There were 13 threads, I believe.

As ISLIJAG stated yesterday, he was deposed a second time where he likely did answer questions as it lasted 7 hours. You are not likely to have access to that deposition.

Gotta move on.

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PeggyO said:

macaylasdad said:

Poor Kirk. He is the pompus one pretty much taunting he has information and won't share remember “Kirk has a vault. Right here. It’s never gonna be unlocked,” Johnson said, pointing to his head. You would think he would want to find how this happened and who was responsible... Prince is not coming back.

He likely knows 'how it happened' and I am certain Prince would have appreciated his silence. Wait.What? Fairly certain if Prince was asked if given the choice, Do you want to live? Or if you want to die, just take this pill here. I am going to say he would want to live.

If you are looking for more background on Prince's death, I would recommend the Org. "Death" threads which can be illuminating though contentious at times. Some Orgers did not feel comfortable and voiced those opinions intermittently as well. There were 13 threads, I believe.

As ISLIJAG stated yesterday, he was deposed a second time where he likely did answer questions as it lasted 7 hours. You are not likely to have access to that deposition. You are correct. As I've said, I don't blame Kirk. Just curious what new revelations came from this. Moving on.

Gotta move on.

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macaylasdad said:

rogifan said:

Leave Kirk alone. Nothing he says can bring Prince back. And he's not going to give anyone closure. You need to find that yourself.

Poor Kirk. He is the pompus one pretty much taunting he has information and won't share remember “Kirk has a vault. Right here. It’s never gonna be unlocked,” Johnson said, pointing to his head. You would think he would want to find how this happened and who was responsible... Prince is not coming back.

Why do you care about Kirk?

rogifan said:

macaylasdad said:

Poor Kirk. He is the pompus one pretty much taunting he has information and won't share remember “Kirk has a vault. Right here. It’s never gonna be unlocked,” Johnson said, pointing to his head. You would think he would want to find how this happened and who was responsible... Prince is not coming back.

Why do you care about Kirk?

In all honesty, I didn't know of a 2nd deposition that happened, I was only aware of one. The facts are there is nothing that connects Kirk to Prince getting these pills and no evidence to support it either. I feel he was doing all he could to help him in the end. He was trying to protect his friend. Opiods are a real big problem and I thought if Kirk did know something in a way he could prevent other deaths from happening like what happened to Prince. Doest that make sense?

But as I said I will always remember Prince for the great music and memories, his legacy will be his artistic abilities, songwriting and live performances. IMO, his overdosing is a sad footnote in his career that doesn't define him. Look at Hendrix, Cobain, and any musician who died by unfortunate circumstances.

macaylasdad said:

rogifan said:

Why do you care about Kirk?

In all honesty, I didn't know of a 2nd deposition that happened, I was only aware of one. The facts are there is nothing that connects Kirk to Prince getting these pills and no evidence to support it either. I feel he was doing all he could to help him in the end. He was trying to protect his friend. Opiods are a real big problem and I thought if Kirk did know something in a way he could prevent other deaths from happening like what happened to Prince. Doest that make sense?

But as I said I will always remember Prince for the great music and memories, his legacy will be his artistic abilities, songwriting and live performances. IMO, his overdosing is a sad footnote in his career that doesn't define him. Look at Hendrix, Cobain, and any musician who died by unfortunate circumstances.

The difference is we weren't surprised by Hendrix or Cobains death, or even Petty's.

Prince always preached clean living and wasn't known for any kind of drug use and was never in trouble with the law. That is why the manner of his death surprised us all.

PennyPurple said:

macaylasdad said:

In all honesty, I didn't know of a 2nd deposition that happened, I was only aware of one. The facts are there is nothing that connects Kirk to Prince getting these pills and no evidence to support it either. I feel he was doing all he could to help him in the end. He was trying to protect his friend. Opiods are a real big problem and I thought if Kirk did know something in a way he could prevent other deaths from happening like what happened to Prince. Doest that make sense?

But as I said I will always remember Prince for the great music and memories, his legacy will be his artistic abilities, songwriting and live performances. IMO, his overdosing is a sad footnote in his career that doesn't define him. Look at Hendrix, Cobain, and any musician who died by unfortunate circumstances.

The difference is we weren't surprised by Hendrix or Cobains death, or even Petty's.

Prince always preached clean living and wasn't known for any kind of drug use and was never in trouble with the law. That is why the manner of his death surprised us all.

But when artists dies...by accident or not....does it tarnished their legacy? When do you listen to Nirvana...is your first thoughts Cobain was a drug addict that commited suicide? Or listening to Hendrix, damn he choked to death on his on own vomit? Probably not. It's the music you remember. The case with Prince, everbody is conditioned by saying "respect his privacy" and everyone did in life, now that he's gone and like I said the investigation files revealed a whole lot of personal stuff about Prince, has any of it changed the way you view Prince and his music? I would say thier is a small percentage that did. Fact is Prince was an addict, he obtained pills illegally and it cost him his life.

macaylasdad said:

PennyPurple said:

The difference is we weren't surprised by Hendrix or Cobains death, or even Petty's.

Prince always preached clean living and wasn't known for any kind of drug use and was never in trouble with the law. That is why the manner of his death surprised us all.

But when artists dies...by accident or not....does it tarnished their legacy? When do you listen to Nirvana...is your first thoughts Cobain was a drug addict that commited suicide? Or listening to Hendrix, damn he choked to death on his on own vomit? Probably not. It's the music you remember. The case with Prince, everbody is conditioned by saying "respect his privacy" and everyone did in life, now that he's gone and like I said the investigation files revealed a whole lot of personal stuff about Prince, has any of it changed the way you view Prince and his music? I would say thier is a small percentage that did. Fact is Prince was an addict, he obtained pills illegally and it cost him his life.

It doesn't change my mind about him, or the others. It makes me sad that their lives were cut short, with an entire future ahead of them.

My head knows that he was an addict but my heart won't let me believe it. It was a closely guarded secret, and that's what pisses me off, is that those in the know, didn't try to do anything about it until the last minute.

And it pisses me off that someone kept getting those pills for him. So I can't help but blame some of those around him, and the secrets they still keep. They want to make the excuse that Prince was a private person and that's why they don't say anything, but is that the real reason, or is it because they might incriminate themself?

And I knew as soon as the news broke about Moline that Prince was ill and I really hoped it was the flu. And then when we seen him riding around on his bike and throwing a party that maybe it wasn't as bad as it seemed. Little did we know. But you see that is the illusion that he wanted us to have, that he was ok, when he really wasn't and those around him knew he wasn't well. HE knew he wasn't well.

Yes, this was Prince's fault but he also had enablers.

yup, someone was doing the legwork picking up the pills, someone in the inner circle so for people to say that none of them have any responsibility is silly. Prince was a big boy and like elvis and michael, he knew how it would end. It's also easy for us to say out here, that man put his body through hell and it's not hard to believe that the pain was real and that he was trapped by it.

I think there were other factors as well as physical pain that drew Prince to drugs; that boost needed to put on incredible shows, something to help relax after shows (Percocet), the emotional soothing that some drugs provide, curating a mood in which to create music as well as lyrics, physical addiction, and in his later year (s) the self-medicating of a possible illness.

PeggyO said:

I think there were other factors as well as physical pain that drew Prince to drugs; that boost needed to put on incredible shows, something to help relax after shows (Percocet), the emotional soothing that some drugs provide, curating a mood in which to create music as well as lyrics, physical addiction, and in his later year (s) the self-medicating of a possible illness.

i just don't know, we hear so many different things, most of the people around in the early years say that he had nothing to do with drugs, nothing. That "cubby" guy says something that I always believed, that you can't work like he did and do drugs. I've heard of the exstasy trip, the rumours of weed, cocaine and percocet use as well as times he'd get drunk. With all the guys who'd gone before him, they pretty much have given him and all the rest of these fools the example NOT TO follow so they go and do the same things. Like I've said, I think some of it, just my theory, is just boredom and too much freedom and time on their hands and too much focus on themselves. Most of us have to place our focus on things outside of ourselves, these superstars are trained to fetishize themselves and it fucks their heads up.

darkroman said:

Prince was an adult. He could make decisions for himself.

Ultimately it was evil religious indoctrination that killed him.

It's odd how many weak people follow religions. So his religion stopped him from having medical treatment but it didn't stop him from abusing prescription drugs.

Religions should be illegal as they screw with people's minds.

Even Morris Day urged Prince to have hip surgery. Morris had it and is alive and kicking!

PeggyO said:

I think there were other factors as well as physical pain that drew Prince to drugs; that boost needed to put on incredible shows, something to help relax after shows (Percocet), the emotional soothing that some drugs provide, curating a mood in which to create music as well as lyrics, physical addiction, and in his later year (s) the self-medicating of a possible illness.

You think, you don't know. Way too many people with their theories and opinions not based on fact. Like the people over at LA now wondering out loud if Prince committed suicide. When just a year or two ago they were claiming he died of cancer. Jesus, just let the man Rest In Peace already. And people still obsessing over his death and which associate knew what or did what, I just find it kind of creepy. Just because Prince was a public figure and just because we're fans of his doesn't mean we deserve to know every private detail of his life.

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PennyPurple said:

macaylasdad said:

But when artists dies...by accident or not....does it tarnished their legacy? When do you listen to Nirvana...is your first thoughts Cobain was a drug addict that commited suicide? Or listening to Hendrix, damn he choked to death on his on own vomit? Probably not. It's the music you remember. The case with Prince, everbody is conditioned by saying "respect his privacy" and everyone did in life, now that he's gone and like I said the investigation files revealed a whole lot of personal stuff about Prince, has any of it changed the way you view Prince and his music? I would say thier is a small percentage that did. Fact is Prince was an addict, he obtained pills illegally and it cost him his life.

It doesn't change my mind about him, or the others. It makes me sad that their lives were cut short, with an entire future ahead of them.

My head knows that he was an addict but my heart won't let me believe it. It was a closely guarded secret, and that's what pisses me off, is that those in the know, didn't try to do anything about it until the last minute.

And it pisses me off that someone kept getting those pills for him. So I can't help but blame some of those around him, and the secrets they still keep. They want to make the excuse that Prince was a private person and that's why they don't say anything, but is that the real reason, or is it because they might incriminate themself?

And I knew as soon as the news broke about Moline that Prince was ill and I really hoped it was the flu. And then when we seen him riding around on his bike and throwing a party that maybe it wasn't as bad as it seemed. Little did we know. But you see that is the illusion that he wanted us to have, that he was ok, when he really wasn't and those around him knew he wasn't well. HE knew he wasn't well.

Yes, this was Prince's fault but he also had enablers.

I agree with all that you have stated Penny.

Regarding the enablers, when I had watched the HLN Show How It Really Happened Prince The End, which aired in 2017, the investigative reporter, Ian Halperin, provided some observations and said that what had happened to Prince was due to the enablers who were greedy.

Ian Halperin has written books on Michael Jackson and Kurt Cobain. His observations on Prince were made more than a year before the release of the death investigation. I have always wondered what else he was able to uncover about Prince...

Well, the one thing that I do know for sure, is that Prince had us all fooled pretty badly, because I would have defended the guy to the end, and never would have thought in a million years, that he took any kind of hard drugs, whatsoever!

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

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looby said:

Well, the one thing that I do know for sure, is that Prince had us all fooled pretty badly, because I would have defended the guy to the end, and never would have thought in a million years, that he took any kind of hard drugs, whatsoever!

I honestly don't think he considered them "hard". Most people with a scrip don't.

I imagine he dabbled in a few things over the years but I wouldn't classify him as a "junkie" or a "drug user" in any traditional sense. My guess is that he was, like a lot of people a while back, over prescribed this stuff, trusted his physician and didn't think of it as stigmatic or as "Drugs" with a capital "D". For a good while, painkillers were sold as non addictive and routinely rescribed in disturbingly large quanitities. I honestly doubt he thought of them as being addictive.

I'd guess by the time he knew it was a problem, it was teetering on the edge of being too late and, in all likelihood, probably didn't even make sense to him since he didn't view himself as a "drug user". Also, being rich and famous, I'm sure his access to whatever he needed was never a problem.

There's an air of legitimacy surrounding things like diet pills, anti anxiety meds and (for a while) pain meds when you get your drugs from a doctor and it's all legal. Speed addict housewives losing weight with prescription speed pills, athletes who inject steroids or eat Vicodin and folks who pop xanax to keep calm see themselves as different or "above" those who self medicate (especially with illegal substances) but it's all the same.

Shit, people still think there's a distinction between "doing drugs" and drinking alcholol or smoking. Alchohol and nicotine are drugs but enable a person to stay on their high horse since they are legal. Caffeine too. Look at how quickly attitudes are changing about marijuana and how relatively safe it is but for years it carried that stigma.

rogifan said:

PeggyO said:

I think there were other factors as well as physical pain that drew Prince to drugs; that boost needed to put on incredible shows, something to help relax after shows (Percocet), the emotional soothing that some drugs provide, curating a mood in which to create music as well as lyrics, physical addiction, and in his later year (s) the self-medicating of a possible illness.

You think, you don't know. Way too many people with their theories and opinions not based on fact. Like the people over at LA now wondering out loud if Prince committed suicide. When just a year or two ago they were claiming he died of cancer. Jesus, just let the man Rest In Peace already. And people still obsessing over his death and which associate knew what or did what, I just find it kind of creepy. Just because Prince was a public figure and just because we're fans of his doesn't mean we deserve to know every private detail of his life.

rogi I am trying to keep up with man....trying... I don't need every private detail...you can thank Carver County and the state of Minnesota for that as they released EVERY private detail about Prince, that included death photos. As I have said many times, nothing additional that could come out would be shocking or change my opinion on Prince.

My only issue is SOMEONE (we'll take Kirk out of this) knows something, very few people had access to Prince, not like they can walk up to Paisley Park and be like here you go Prince, that will be $100. I am not sure how people sleep at night knowing that the laced pills that someone gave Prince is still doing that to other people, I just don't get that. Just because people who abuse opioids doesn't mean they are expendable because they weren't celebrity.

rogifan said:

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You think, you don't know. Way too many people with their theories and opinions not based on fact. Like the people over at LA now wondering out loud if Prince committed suicide. When just a year or two ago they were claiming he died of cancer. Jesus, just let the man Rest In Peace already. And people still obsessing over his death and which associate knew what or did what, I just find it kind of creepy. Just because Prince was a public figure and just because we're fans of his doesn't mean we deserve to know every private detail of his life.

I did say I thought, not that i knew. We all have a right to communicate to express our opinions. I just wish you were less harsh/judgmental. Please, let's be civil.

PeggyO said:

PeggyO said:

I did say I thought, not that i knew. We all have a right to communicate to express our opinions. I just wish you were less harsh/judgmental. Please, let's be civil.

There is something else I would like to say. It is my hope, that one day, a well-respected biographer

will write about Prince Rogers Nelson. Someone of that caliber will look at the man in his entirety.

You will not be able to demand that they "let the man rest in peace" or call them out for being "creepy" for researching deeply. Looking into his death, which was unexpected and continues to be controversial, will not be considered "obsessing".

I was hoping for the Org to be a safe place for fans who loved and respected Prince to talk in a safe manner. I personally am very careful about what I post.

I was also hoping that Prince.Org would be a go-to place for that future biographer as I hoped it would considered a respected, knowledgeable and scrupulously honest source. ??

don't know where you got that idea, place was a cesspool when P was alive and it's only slightly better now.

PeteSilas said:

PeggyO said:

There is something else I would like to say. It is my hope, that one day, a well-respected biographer

will write about Prince Rogers Nelson. Someone of that caliber will look at the man in his entirety.

You will not be able to demand that they "let the man rest in peace" or call them out for being "creepy" for researching deeply. Looking into his death, which was unexpected and continues to be controversial, will not be considered "obsessing".

I was hoping for the Org to be a safe place for fans who loved and respected Prince to talk in a safe manner. I personally am very careful about what I post.

I was also hoping that Prince.Org would be a go-to place for that future biographer as I hoped it would considered a respected, knowledgeable and scrupulously honest source. ??

don't know where you got that idea, place was a cesspool when P was alive and it's only slightly better now.

Perhaps I see the potential for the Org to be more respected source as there are many IMO who are very knowledgeable about Prince's life and music. There are a frustrating, vocal few though, that shut down conversations that I feel are healthy. When there is this much secrecy, folks will continue to periodically bring things up. It is a need for closure.

Anyway, whether we like it or not, someone is going to delve into Prince's life and write about it at some point. I hope it is someone who is well-respected.

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PeggyO said:

PeteSilas said:

don't know where you got that idea, place was a cesspool when P was alive and it's only slightly better now.

Perhaps I see the potential for the Org to be more respected source as there are many IMO who are very knowledgeable about Prince's life and music. There are a frustrating, vocal few though, that shut down conversations that I feel are healthy. When there is this much secrecy, folks will continue to periodically bring things up. It is a need for closure.

Anyway, whether we like it or not, someone is going to delve into Prince's life and write about it at some point. I hope it is someone who is well-respected.

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i wouldn't worry about it. say what you want.

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.

why was/is kirk SOOO concerned about covering his own ass?

PeteSilas said:

PeggyO said:

Perhaps I see the potential for the Org to be more respected source as there are many IMO who are very knowledgeable about Prince's life and music. There are a frustrating, vocal few though, that shut down conversations that I feel are healthy. When there is this much secrecy, folks will continue to periodically bring things up. It is a need for closure.

Anyway, whether we like it or not, someone is going to delve into Prince's life and write about it at some point. I hope it is someone who is well-respected.

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i wouldn't worry about it. say what you want.

Seriously, this. I do. Several people here don't like my style or the things I write but the hell do I care?

Things that drag this place down for me are sychophants, conspiracy theorists, groupies, one or two right wing MAGA's in P&R, music snobs, religous fanatics and a few posters who are really ignorant about addiction and drug usage. Oh, and our resident asshole mascot, Bart VanWhatevertheJerk who constantly insults everybody. The mods can be weird about shutting down interesting discussions that even remotely brush up against controversy.

The real spiral began not too long after Prince's death when the pearl clutchers, self proclaimed PI's and straight edge types took over with murder conspiracies and claims of inside information, peppered with "NO WAY DID PRINCE EVER DO DRUGS" couched in some weird, misguided attempt to "protect his legacy". A lot of people seemed to gradually split, what with no more new stuff or tours to discuss, leaving behind the most fanatical of the fans.

Mayte's book as well brought out the over protective and jealous groupies who never had a good thing to say about any of the women Prince cared about or loved. Some orgers can never stand to hear a bad word spoken about Prince at all.

Actually...come to think of it...

that's actually an awful lot of shitposters, so you may be right and this place is an outhouse, but there are still some cool people here and the depth of knowledge surrounding his catalog and work is rather top rate and deep. Anyone writing a definitive Prince bio could glean some good info here and a lot of us provide good links to stories and continue to share his hmusic.

I met my (ex) wife here so now I'm really not sure how I fucking feel about it.