I think Prince and Kirk had a quid pro quo arrangement. I may be taking an unpopular stance, but I feel Prince felt comfortable with Kirk in his last days. He was essentially Prince's nurse.

Prince was dying and he had alot of secrets that Kirk was aware of (IMO) and he has kept quiet.

Prince was taking unauthorized pain meds intermittently for years and had developed a significant tolerance. His illegal drug-taking began without Kirk. Prince's outcome falls squarely on own shoulders.

[Edited 8/11/19 18:53pm]

rogifan said:

Strive said:

And let's remember it was Kirk who

- Came back to handle Prince's business at his request.

- Told the pilot to make an emergency landing.

- Carried Prince off the plane.

- Made the follow up appointments with the local doctor.

- Tried to convince Prince to go to rehab.

- Reached out to Howard Kornfeld.

- Tried to regulate Prince's medication so he couldn't abuse it.

- Refused to publically or privately air Prince's dirty laundry after he died.

He did about everything he could for a guy who was a notorious control freak.


Also for the people that don't know. Once you invoke the fifth, you can't answer any questions.

"You can waive this right intentionally, by just answering the question, or unintentionally, by answering other questions that establish a basis on which you may be compelled to answer on the basis of rebuttal or further inquiry on the topic."

[Edited 8/10/19 21:28pm]

💯 this. Let's face it the person fans are really pissed at is no longer here. So they take out their anger and frustration on everyone else.

i agree with both of you.

Prince lived a very messy life and Kirk came behind to clean up more than once.

[Edited 8/11/19 19:07pm]

[Edited 8/11/19 19:23pm]

looby said:

Very well said, I could not agree more! I think one would care more about trying to find out who and what was responsible for the death of Prince than protecting his privacy, that's makes no sense whatsoever! Obviously Kirk has something to hide, that's why he plead the 5th.

First of all this is not a criminal case, it is a civil case.


This case is not a quest about who is personally responsible for giving the fentanyl pills to P. It is a quest for the almight dollar.

Be that as it may, this was the first deposition of Kirk in February.

Most likely the attorneys filed a Motion to Compel Deposition Testimony.

This dude Korn is a Drama Queen wanting to stir up fans because he could have posted that Kirk gave a second deposition in May which lasted 7 hours.

Most likely he answered most of the questions because it wouldnt take 7 hours to plead the 5th.

We havent seen any part of the deposition. The Judge may have sealed that deposition.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

looby said:

Very well said, I could not agree more! I think one would care more about trying to find out who and what was responsible for the death of Prince than protecting his privacy, that's makes no sense whatsoever! Obviously Kirk has something to hide, that's why he plead the 5th.

First of all this is not a criminal case, it is a civil case.


This case is not a quest about who is personally responsible for giving the fentanyl pills to P. It is a quest for the almight dollar.

Be that as it may, this was the first deposition of Kirk in February.

Most likely the attorneys filed a Motion to Compel Deposition Testimony.

This dude Korn is a Drama Queen wanting to stir up fans because he could have posted that Kirk gave a second deposition in May which lasted 7 hours.

Most likely he answered most of the questions because it wouldnt take 7 hours to plead the 5th.

We havent seen any part of the deposition. The Judge may have sealed that deposition.

snip

[Edited 8/12/19 0:42am]

PennyPurple said:

Let's also remember that it was Kirk who wouldn't let Prince answer questions that the Dr. in Moline was trying to ask him. It was Kirk who interjected himself into every aspect of Moline.

Let's also remember that it was Kirk along with Phaedra who went into PP and deleted files off of the computers and shredded things.

Let's also remember it was Kirk who received prescriptions in his name for Prince which is ILLEGAL.

Let's also remember how the associates asked Kirk, what are they supposed to say to the detectives.

Let's also remember that Kirk's 1st phone call after finding Prince, wasn't to 911...it was to Phaedra.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE, who let Kirk live in his house free of charge and provided vehicles to Kirk.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who paid for Kirk's family's medical bills.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who funded Kirk's money for his fitness business.

Of course Kirk took the 5th, he wants the Estate to blame everyone else except for him, it's Walgreen's fault...it's Moline's fault, it's Dr. S fault, It's the Kornfields fault...any of you notice a pattern here?

Let's explore these.

- Kirk interjected himself into every aspect of Moline or Kirk was trying to do right by Prince when he was at his weakest? Prince wanted to leave right away, blamed the narcan shot instead of the pills and didn't want any tests performed. Everything that happened in Moline was leaked out so maybe getting to a local doctor they could trust wasn't such a crazy idea. And it wasn't Kirk that told Prince to go ride his bike around or head to Electric Fetus (weird how nobody looked in their direction as the source) or throw a dance party to give the illusion that everything was ok.

- Again was Kirk protecting himself or Prince? The few texts and emails the cops did get were released. Imagine if they got their hands on months' or years' worth.

- Are you noticing a theme? Was that Kirk's idea or Prince's?

- He had been dead for hours by the time they found him. There may be truth to the idea that they dressed Prince afterwards or cleaned him up but, considering that the police also posted photos/videos of his body, I'm really glad that we didn't have to see a Chris Farley style crime scene photo of the tragedy.

- PRINCE, repaid Kirk's loyalty by giving him all these things. So why would Kirk conspire to knowingly or unknowingly murder Prince? What's the scheme between Kirk and Phaedra where it makes sense to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? Why would Kirk do all the things I listed if he was the one supplying Prince with the pills? Why would he try to get Larry Graham to talk to Prince after the overdose if he wanted Prince dead? Why would he contact Kornfield? Why would he knowingly leave Prince alone with tainted pills that he supplied?

It doesn't make any sense.

Van Jones, between the rehearsed lines of outting all of Prince's Christian work that he didn't want made public, mentioned that they should've done more. There's a good chance that Van feels guilty for taking Prince at his word on this subject. That the ups and downs everybody talked about and saw were normal.

Kirk plays it cool in public but everybody from Prince's inner circle must feel some sort of guilt regarding his passing. That there was more that could have been done to potentially save his life. That's normal. That makes sense.

Prince was an adult. He could make decisions for himself.

Ultimately it was evil religious indoctrination that killed him.

It's odd how many weak people follow religions. So his religion stopped him from having medical treatment but it didn't stop him from abusing prescription drugs.

Religions should be illegal as they screw with people's minds.

Even Morris Day urged Prince to have hip surgery. Morris had it and is alive and kicking!

darkroman said:

Prince was an adult. He could make decisions for himself.

Ultimately it was evil religious indoctrination that killed him.

It's odd how many weak people follow religions. So his religion stopped him from having medical treatment but it didn't stop him from abusing prescription drugs.

Religions should be illegal as they screw with people's minds.

Even Morris Day urged Prince to have hip surgery. Morris had it and is alive and kicking!

snip

[Edited 8/12/19 1:59am]

Strive said:

PennyPurple said:

Let's also remember that it was Kirk who wouldn't let Prince answer questions that the Dr. in Moline was trying to ask him. It was Kirk who interjected himself into every aspect of Moline.

Let's also remember that it was Kirk along with Phaedra who went into PP and deleted files off of the computers and shredded things.

Let's also remember it was Kirk who received prescriptions in his name for Prince which is ILLEGAL.

Let's also remember how the associates asked Kirk, what are they supposed to say to the detectives.

Let's also remember that Kirk's 1st phone call after finding Prince, wasn't to 911...it was to Phaedra.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE, who let Kirk live in his house free of charge and provided vehicles to Kirk.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who paid for Kirk's family's medical bills.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who funded Kirk's money for his fitness business.

Of course Kirk took the 5th, he wants the Estate to blame everyone else except for him, it's Walgreen's fault...it's Moline's fault, it's Dr. S fault, It's the Kornfields fault...any of you notice a pattern here?

Let's explore these.

- Kirk interjected himself into every aspect of Moline or Kirk was trying to do right by Prince when he was at his weakest? Prince wanted to leave right away, blamed the narcan shot instead of the pills and didn't want any tests performed. Everything that happened in Moline was leaked out so maybe getting to a local doctor they could trust wasn't such a crazy idea. And it wasn't Kirk that told Prince to go ride his bike around or head to Electric Fetus (weird how nobody looked in their direction as the source) or throw a dance party to give the illusion that everything was ok.

- Again was Kirk protecting himself or Prince? The few texts and emails the cops did get were released. Imagine if they got their hands on months' or years' worth.

- Are you noticing a theme? Was that Kirk's idea or Prince's?

- He had been dead for hours by the time they found him. There may be truth to the idea that they dressed Prince afterwards or cleaned him up but, considering that the police also posted photos/videos of his body, I'm really glad that we didn't have to see a Chris Farley style crime scene photo of the tragedy.

- PRINCE, repaid Kirk's loyalty by giving him all these things. So why would Kirk conspire to knowingly or unknowingly murder Prince? What's the scheme between Kirk and Phaedra where it makes sense to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? Why would Kirk do all the things I listed if he was the one supplying Prince with the pills? Why would he try to get Larry Graham to talk to Prince after the overdose if he wanted Prince dead? Why would he contact Kornfield? Why would he knowingly leave Prince alone with tainted pills that he supplied?

It doesn't make any sense.

Van Jones, between the rehearsed lines of outting all of Prince's Christian work that he didn't want made public, mentioned that they should've done more. There's a good chance that Van feels guilty for taking Prince at his word on this subject. That the ups and downs everybody talked about and saw were normal.

Kirk plays it cool in public but everybody from Prince's inner circle must feel some sort of guilt regarding his passing. That there was more that could have been done to potentially save his life. That's normal. That makes sense.

Electric Fetus was looked at on this forum...several times.

I do not believe Prince Was murdered, have never believed it and have never said it.

Phaedra is the one who reached out to Kornfield.

I don't believe that Kirk moved or dressed Prince, and have never believed it.

macaylasdad said:

People on here a trip... The LAW was BROKEN...the LAW...remember? it's ILLEGAL....ILLEGAL to get that type of medication that he did....ILLEGAL.

We know it's illegal. It was also illegal for black men to sit at the front of the bus. Or gay people to make love with one another. It's still illegal for adults to have consensual sex with one another if $ is involved or for people to smoke a plant. So not sure what your point is about the law.

FunkiestOne said:

macaylasdad said:

People on here a trip... The LAW was BROKEN...the LAW...remember? it's ILLEGAL....ILLEGAL to get that type of medication that he did....ILLEGAL.

We know it's illegal. It was also illegal for black men to sit at the front of the bus. Or gay people to make love with one another. It's still illegal for adults to have consensual sex with one another if $ is involved or for people to smoke a plant. So not sure what your point is about the law.

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`His ethics were not so nice` at the crimescene does not sound so nice.

And I do think that Kirk is hiding something.

Do we have same type of material for the other assistant? (the female driver)

TheTruth123 said:

macaylasdad said:

People on here a trip... The LAW was BROKEN...the LAW...remember? it's ILLEGAL....ILLEGAL to get that type of medication that he did....ILLEGAL. Someone laced the fenantyl that killed OUR artist. I didn't know Prince...most likely you didn't know him either, I find it laughable that people say "he wouldn't want that...he was a private person, respect his privacy...yada yada. His privacy was given up the day he died, when this became a criminal investigation.... which takes us to the point of this post.

My feeling is KJ knows something, it is his right to plead the 5th. However, it makes him look guilty by doing this. Does he want to know what happen to his "friend"? Who is responsible for Prince's death? I have read all the files from the investigation and it seems ALL of them were not cooperating. Why? It's a disservice to his family and his loved ones because he had access to Prince.

Save they are protecting his legacy... Name on artist who's legacy was destroyed by how they died. Prince's legacy is cemented by the music he gave us and the memories we gained from it, the sad footnote is how he died.

As Prince once said..."a true friend is not on your payroll"

But a true friend will sit you down and tell you a girl is using you. (at least in regular circles).

No, they won't. Because a person who receives that kind of news is going to kill the messenger - and the friendship will be over. A true friend keeps his/her mouth shut - so s/he can be there to pick up the pieces when the romance meets its inevitable end.

I think Kirk was the only person allowed to see Prince, warts and all. IMO, Prince wanted many of his secrets kept from public view, so yes, Kirk is likely hiding quite a bit. Prince did not trust his friends/fans with knowledge of his addiction or his likely illness. Kirk was aware of Prince's addiction, knew he was in withdrawal, likely cleaned and redressed him after death (this is my opinion), accompanied him to MD visits etc. These are acts that many of our spouses or adult children would undertake for us. Prince did not have that person. Kirk was that person.

He was likely overwhelmed when Prince died and knew he had to do damage control. This was to protect Prince (IMO)

Yes, Prince, was generous with him financially but I feel Kirk did more than enough to compensate.

I feel this is why he is welcomed at Paisley. I think Prince's family and inner circle are very aware

of all that went down. We fans have been trying to put 2 and 2 together but I bet we know very little of the real goings on.

Personally, I would really like it if we could see things less in black and white, good guy v bad guy.

Prince chose Kirk to be with him in those final days, to see him at his worst and I really wish we could leave him alone.

[Edited 8/12/19 8:59am]

So much of this can be proven without Kirk uttering a single word.

Stuff like "was he on the plane" and "when was the last concert/when did it end", etc.

Questions about how long he was in the band could be a gray area, but I know I just saw him dancing behind Tevin Campbell in Graffiti Bridge (1990). Does not take a genius to rough out a provable timeline.

I agree with some of the above posts, that he's indirectly protecting Prince's privacy by taking the Fifth for himself.

Se7en said:

So much of this can be proven without Kirk uttering a single word.

Stuff like "was he on the plane" and "when was the last concert/when did it end", etc.

Questions about how long he was in the band could be a gray area, but I know I just saw him dancing behind Tevin Campbell in Graffiti Bridge (1990). Does not take a genius to rough out a provable timeline.

I agree with some of the above posts, that he's indirectly protecting Prince's privacy by taking the Fifth for himself.

Very doubtful......

All this speculation about taking the 5th doesnt matter. Kirk gave a second deposition.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All this speculation about taking the 5th doesnt matter. Kirk gave a second deposition.

2 questions, if I may:

-Does the Defense have access to Kirk's deposition? (The one where he likely answers questions)

-Why would he be deposed again?

Thx in advance

[Edited 8/12/19 10:48am]

luv4u said:

Good Case Law.

Cited:

Slochower v. Board of Education, 350 U.S. 551 (1956)

https://supreme.justia.co...s/350/551/

I think kirk just wants to avoid being incriminated? he's not trying to protect prince's privacy

jfenster said:

luv4u said:

Good Case Law.

Cited:

Slochower v. Board of Education, 350 U.S. 551 (1956)

https://supreme.justia.co...s/350/551/

I think kirk just wants to avoid being incriminated? he's not trying to protect prince's privacy.

ISLIJAG stated in few posts ago, this is a civil suit, not criminal.

[Edited 8/12/19 13:40pm]

PeggyO said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All this speculation about taking the 5th doesnt matter. Kirk gave a second deposition.

2 questions, if I may:

-Does the Defense have access to Kirk's deposition? (The one where he likely answers questions)

-Why would he be deposed again?

Thx in advance

-All the defense attorneys were present for Kirk's deposition, and was able to individually ask him questions. They can order a transcript of the deposition but the Judge may have signed a Protective Order that the deposition could not be released to anyone other than the attorneys. Or the Judge could have sealed the deposition.

-Kirk was deposed a second time because in all likelihood the attorneys filed a Motion to Compel him to answer questions during his deposition, and the Judge granted the Motion. The 2nd deposition took place at the courthouse. The only reason you have a deposition at a courthouse is for the Judge to be nearby to rule on objections that come up during the deposition.

Judges never sit in on depositions but are available by phone or nearby when it is a contentious deposition, and you need immediate rulings.

all i've really heard about kirk, that is convincing to me, is that he's not too bright, and I think that went for his character too, not a strong person. How much blame are you gonna place on a dummie that just does what he's told? What happened to prince is more a syndrome that many famous people go through, they get catered to and yessed to and they lose their ways. also, for whatever reason, most of these guys seem to have a self-destructive streak, Elvis, MJ and Prince.

jfenster said:

luv4u said:

Good Case Law.

Cited:

Slochower v. Board of Education, 350 U.S. 551 (1956)

https://supreme.justia.co...s/350/551/

I think kirk just wants to avoid being incriminated? he's not trying to protect prince's privacy

Clearly! This is a "Wrongful Death" civil lawsuit, where he is a witness for the plantiffs. Yet, he plead the fifth on even the most basic question, "Did you know Prince Rogers Nelson?" If he felt that just admitting under oath, that he knew Prince could somehow incriminate him. It ain't Prince nor Prince's legacy that he's trying to protect. It's his own ass. Now the question that really, seriously needs to stop being avoided/ignored/put off is "from WHAT exactly"?

berlinas2k said:

PennyPurple said:

Let's also remember that it was Kirk who wouldn't let Prince answer questions that the Dr. in Moline was trying to ask him. It was Kirk who interjected himself into every aspect of Moline.

Let's also remember that it was Kirk along with Phaedra who went into PP and deleted files off of the computers and shredded things.

Let's also remember it was Kirk who received prescriptions in his name for Prince which is ILLEGAL.

Let's also remember how the associates asked Kirk, what are they supposed to say to the detectives.

Let's also remember that Kirk's 1st phone call after finding Prince, wasn't to 911...it was to Phaedra.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE, who let Kirk live in his house free of charge and provided vehicles to Kirk.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who paid for Kirk's family's medical bills.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who funded Kirk's money for his fitness business.

Of course Kirk took the 5th, he wants the Estate to blame everyone else except for him, it's Walgreen's fault...it's Moline's fault, it's Dr. S fault, It's the Kornfields fault...any of you notice a pattern here?

Kornfields have asked to be excused from the suit, as they never treated Prince. I hope they are excused from it.

Let’s also remember that it was P that made the decision to put the pills into his body. Was he in pain and did he need help? Most certainly yes to both. But the ultimate responsibility of this whole situation lies with him. As much as we all don’t like that he’s gone, the choices he made led to the outcome. They can put KJ in jail tomorrow forever and it won’t change anything and won’t make anyone feel any better.

No one can dispute that... Prince IS responsible for his own action.... I find is laughable that people hide behind Prince's privacy.....that was LONG blown out of the water the day the DA released the investigation reports. How much did you really want to know? You sadly saw his dead body that no fan wanted to see (which supersedes ANYTHING that Kirk could possibly hide or say to keep private), you found out that the man had ALLOT of enemas in his house (more than we need to know about) ALL the medications and I mean ALL he had at the time of his death, anything that was private in his home was made public record...so explain to me what KJ that could possibly divulge that would be shocking? I want to reiterate, I don't feel he knew was addicted...BUT he was not being completely truthful when interviewed. Please go back and read the reports from Moline and 4/21...

What Kirk knew which was something...explain shredded documents and deleted emails? You can't.

[Edited 8/12/19 15:25pm]

PeggyO said:

I think Prince and Kirk had a quid pro quo arrangement. I may be taking an unpopular stance, but I feel Prince felt comfortable with Kirk in his last days. He was essentially Prince's nurse.

Prince was dying and he had alot of secrets that Kirk was aware of (IMO) and he has kept quiet.

Prince was taking unauthorized pain meds intermittently for years and had developed a significant tolerance. His illegal drug-taking began without Kirk. Prince's outcome falls squarely on own shoulders.

[Edited 8/11/19 18:53pm]

I agree with your POV. But where did the drugs come from? How did it slip by his security and KJ? People say Prince is gone and not coming back, so what's to be so private about?

Strive said:

PennyPurple said:

Let's also remember that it was Kirk who wouldn't let Prince answer questions that the Dr. in Moline was trying to ask him. It was Kirk who interjected himself into every aspect of Moline.

Let's also remember that it was Kirk along with Phaedra who went into PP and deleted files off of the computers and shredded things.

Let's also remember it was Kirk who received prescriptions in his name for Prince which is ILLEGAL.

Let's also remember how the associates asked Kirk, what are they supposed to say to the detectives.

Let's also remember that Kirk's 1st phone call after finding Prince, wasn't to 911...it was to Phaedra.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE, who let Kirk live in his house free of charge and provided vehicles to Kirk.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who paid for Kirk's family's medical bills.

Let's also remember that it was PRINCE who funded Kirk's money for his fitness business.

Of course Kirk took the 5th, he wants the Estate to blame everyone else except for him, it's Walgreen's fault...it's Moline's fault, it's Dr. S fault, It's the Kornfields fault...any of you notice a pattern here?

Let's explore these.

- Kirk interjected himself into every aspect of Moline or Kirk was trying to do right by Prince when he was at his weakest? Prince wanted to leave right away, blamed the narcan shot instead of the pills and didn't want any tests performed. Everything that happened in Moline was leaked out so maybe getting to a local doctor they could trust wasn't such a crazy idea. And it wasn't Kirk that told Prince to go ride his bike around or head to Electric Fetus (weird how nobody looked in their direction as the source) or throw a dance party to give the illusion that everything was ok.

- Again was Kirk protecting himself or Prince? The few texts and emails the cops did get were released. Imagine if they got their hands on months' or years' worth.

- Are you noticing a theme? Was that Kirk's idea or Prince's?

- He had been dead for hours by the time they found him. There may be truth to the idea that they dressed Prince afterwards or cleaned him up but, considering that the police also posted photos/videos of his body, I'm really glad that we didn't have to see a Chris Farley style crime scene photo of the tragedy.

- PRINCE, repaid Kirk's loyalty by giving him all these things. So why would Kirk conspire to knowingly or unknowingly murder Prince? What's the scheme between Kirk and Phaedra where it makes sense to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? Why would Kirk do all the things I listed if he was the one supplying Prince with the pills? Why would he try to get Larry Graham to talk to Prince after the overdose if he wanted Prince dead? Why would he contact Kornfield? Why would he knowingly leave Prince alone with tainted pills that he supplied?

It doesn't make any sense.

Van Jones, between the rehearsed lines of outting all of Prince's Christian work that he didn't want made public, mentioned that they should've done more. There's a good chance that Van feels guilty for taking Prince at his word on this subject. That the ups and downs everybody talked about and saw were normal.

Kirk plays it cool in public but everybody from Prince's inner circle must feel some sort of guilt regarding his passing. That there was more that could have been done to potentially save his life. That's normal. That makes sense.

KJ did not kill Prince, he was not in on killing Prince. Prince OD on his own....twice. KJ was an enabler of Prince's addiction, I think Prince did NOT want to die, he was preparing his memoirs, more touring, making PP a museum, working with other artists, etc... So if he didn't get the laced pills from the pharmacy, they came from the outside. WHY did Meron and KJ shred documents after the police cleared the scence at PP? WHY and WHO access Prince's laptop to delete emails/files AFTER Prince died? Now tell me, does that not all see at all strange?

macaylasdad said:

berlinas2k said:

PennyPurple said: Let’s also remember that it was P that made the decision to put the pills into his body. Was he in pain and did he need help? Most certainly yes to both. But the ultimate responsibility of this whole situation lies with him. As much as we all don’t like that he’s gone, the choices he made led to the outcome. They can put KJ in jail tomorrow forever and it won’t change anything and won’t make anyone feel any better.

No one can dispute that... Prince IS responsible for his own action.... I find is laughable that people hide behind Prince's privacy.....that was LONG blown out of the water the day the DA released the investigation reports. How much did you really want to know? You sadly saw his dead body that no fan wanted to see (which supersedes ANYTHING that Kirk could possibly hide or say to keep private), you found out that the man had ALLOT of enemas in his house (more than we need to know about) ALL the medications and I mean ALL he had at the time of his death, anything that was private in his home was made public record...so explain to me what KJ that could possibly divulge that would be shocking? I want to reiterate, I don't feel he knew was addicted...BUT he was not being completely truthful when interviewed. Please go back and read the reports from Moline and 4/21...

What Kirk knew which was something...explain shredded documents and deleted emails? You can't.

[Edited 8/12/19 15:25pm]

his privacy? a lot of it was but there is still a lot of secrecy, limited amount of info on the autopsy and plenty of people won't say a lot of things that they either knew or spoke about with prince. I still don't get the point of showing my boy taking his final nap and not telling us other things, that's about as disrespectful as it gets.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

looby said:

Very well said, I could not agree more! I think one would care more about trying to find out who and what was responsible for the death of Prince than protecting his privacy, that's makes no sense whatsoever! Obviously Kirk has something to hide, that's why he plead the 5th.

First of all this is not a criminal case, it is a civil case.


This case is not a quest about who is personally responsible for giving the fentanyl pills to P. It is a quest for the almight dollar.

Be that as it may, this was the first deposition of Kirk in February.

Most likely the attorneys filed a Motion to Compel Deposition Testimony.

This dude Korn is a Drama Queen wanting to stir up fans because he could have posted that Kirk gave a second deposition in May which lasted 7 hours.

Most likely he answered most of the questions because it wouldnt take 7 hours to plead the 5th.

We havent seen any part of the deposition. The Judge may have sealed that deposition.

All good points....but why didn't Meron, Phadera, KJ want to talk on 4/21?

PennyPurple said:

Strive said:

Let's explore these.

- Kirk interjected himself into every aspect of Moline or Kirk was trying to do right by Prince when he was at his weakest? Prince wanted to leave right away, blamed the narcan shot instead of the pills and didn't want any tests performed. Everything that happened in Moline was leaked out so maybe getting to a local doctor they could trust wasn't such a crazy idea. And it wasn't Kirk that told Prince to go ride his bike around or head to Electric Fetus (weird how nobody looked in their direction as the source) or throw a dance party to give the illusion that everything was ok.

- Again was Kirk protecting himself or Prince? The few texts and emails the cops did get were released. Imagine if they got their hands on months' or years' worth.

- Are you noticing a theme? Was that Kirk's idea or Prince's?

- He had been dead for hours by the time they found him. There may be truth to the idea that they dressed Prince afterwards or cleaned him up but, considering that the police also posted photos/videos of his body, I'm really glad that we didn't have to see a Chris Farley style crime scene photo of the tragedy.

- PRINCE, repaid Kirk's loyalty by giving him all these things. So why would Kirk conspire to knowingly or unknowingly murder Prince? What's the scheme between Kirk and Phaedra where it makes sense to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? Why would Kirk do all the things I listed if he was the one supplying Prince with the pills? Why would he try to get Larry Graham to talk to Prince after the overdose if he wanted Prince dead? Why would he contact Kornfield? Why would he knowingly leave Prince alone with tainted pills that he supplied?

It doesn't make any sense.

Van Jones, between the rehearsed lines of outting all of Prince's Christian work that he didn't want made public, mentioned that they should've done more. There's a good chance that Van feels guilty for taking Prince at his word on this subject. That the ups and downs everybody talked about and saw were normal.

Kirk plays it cool in public but everybody from Prince's inner circle must feel some sort of guilt regarding his passing. That there was more that could have been done to potentially save his life. That's normal. That makes sense.

Electric Fetus was looked at on this forum...several times.

I do not believe Prince Was murdered, have never believed it and have never said it.

Phaedra is the one who reached out to Kornfield.

I don't believe that Kirk moved or dressed Prince, and have never believed it.

I agree what you've said... but knowing how meticolous was about his dress and appreance, do you think he would put his clothes on backwards and walk around? My guess since it was the same clothes from the day before, Prince in sound body and mind got dressed that dayand went out in public with his clothes on the right way.

PeteSilas said:

macaylasdad said:

No one can dispute that... Prince IS responsible for his own action.... I find is laughable that people hide behind Prince's privacy.....that was LONG blown out of the water the day the DA released the investigation reports. How much did you really want to know? You sadly saw his dead body that no fan wanted to see (which supersedes ANYTHING that Kirk could possibly hide or say to keep private), you found out that the man had ALLOT of enemas in his house (more than we need to know about) ALL the medications and I mean ALL he had at the time of his death, anything that was private in his home was made public record...so explain to me what KJ that could possibly divulge that would be shocking? I want to reiterate, I don't feel he knew was addicted...BUT he was not being completely truthful when interviewed. Please go back and read the reports from Moline and 4/21...

What Kirk knew which was something...explain shredded documents and deleted emails? You can't.

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his privacy? a lot of it was but there is still a lot of secrecy, limited amount of info on the autopsy and plenty of people won't say a lot of things that they either knew or spoke about with prince. I still don't get the point of showing my boy taking his final nap and not telling us other things, that's about as disrespectful as it gets.

EXACTLY! We all knew Prince was a private person, we get that... but anything as private as a man's death...was Prince's and no one else was put out there for the world to see. So let's take KJ out of this (i do really believe he cared for Prince's well being) hypothetical it's revealed that Prince had someone coordinate and get him pills and he died because of it. Police find the person and was revealed this has been ongoing for years, he's arrested and sent to jail. Prince fans feel vindicated and are rejoicing that there's justice for Prince! It still will never changed how he died and what from. Is anyone here less off a fan of Prince because how he died? I am not. When anyone IMO pleads the 5th (and it's there right to do so) they are automatically deemed guilty. KJ was/is Prince's friend, would he want to know what happened and who is responsible? He came off VERY arrogant when he was interviewd about not talking about what happened. Everyone says Prince would not want this, he would want that...truth be told no one on this org knew Prince, I know I didn't. But if one question could be asked of Prince now,"would you want anyone to go through what you did and the path you did it by?" My guess is he would say no... Opiods are ruining peoples lives...the person who gave "our" Prince a fatal dose is still out there... I am just disappointed in those who were closest to him, appear not to feel the same and it's just sad...

macaylasdad said:

PennyPurple said:

Electric Fetus was looked at on this forum...several times.

I do not believe Prince Was murdered, have never believed it and have never said it.

Phaedra is the one who reached out to Kornfield.

I don't believe that Kirk moved or dressed Prince, and have never believed it.

I agree what you've said... but knowing how meticolous was about his dress and appreance, do you think he would put his clothes on backwards and walk around? My guess since it was the same clothes from the day before, Prince in sound body and mind got dressed that dayand went out in public with his clothes on the right way.

My guess is that it was the same clothes that were inside out to begin with when he put them on that day. Same hat too, because he didn't feel like doing his hair either.

KJ didn't have time to clean him up and redress him, there was only around a 15 minute window when KJ and Meron was looking for Prince, and Kornfield was waiting.