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Thread started 06/12/19 7:39pm

Astasheiks

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The Original Bass Line in When Doves Cry?

I don't suppose anybody has ever heard the The Original Bass Line in When Doves Cry that Prince's engineer said he took out?

And what that synth sounded like that he also took out?

“When Doves Cry,” Prince’s first big hit from 1984’s “Purple Rain,” was cut in 35 to 40 hours over two days.

“It was just overproduced,” McCreary noted. “As the early morning hours were going on, he started taking things out. He took the synth out. At the end of the session, he took the bass out. I looked at him and he said: ‘Nobody’s going to believe I did this.’ It was like 7 a.m. when he finished that song.”

http://m.startribune.com/...qLAo1WRcfs

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Reply #1 posted 06/12/19 8:42pm

rdhull

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Listen to the live version Syracuse. Does that give us any hints, like the 17 Days live version birthday show June 1984?

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #2 posted 06/12/19 8:50pm

soladeo1

Supposedly the original mix of WDC has a tsunami of scorching guitars through it too...similar to the intro riff...
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Reply #3 posted 06/12/19 11:43pm

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Damned it's my saint Graal...i would pay some money only for the WDC demo...damned two times!
[Edited 6/12/19 23:43pm]
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Reply #4 posted 06/13/19 3:11pm

Astasheiks

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Me too! cool razz lol

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Reply #5 posted 06/13/19 6:31pm

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love2thenines2003 said:

Damned it's my saint Graal...i would pay some money only for the WDC demo...damned two times!
[Edited 6/12/19 23:43pm]

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"Nah, here's Velvet Kitty Kat."
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Reply #6 posted 06/13/19 6:39pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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billymeade said:

love2thenines2003 said:
Damned it's my saint Graal...i would pay some money only for the WDC demo...damned two times! [Edited 6/12/19 23:43pm]
. "Nah, here's Velvet Kitty Kat."

And Katrina's Paper Dolls!

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #7 posted 06/13/19 8:35pm

rdhull

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

billymeade said:

love2thenines2003 said: . "Nah, here's Velvet Kitty Kat."

And Katrina's Paper Dolls!

They aint gonna give up primo WDC material at this early date/release since his passing.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #8 posted 06/13/19 11:49pm

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Confusion /...what is this initial version? Those well informed here are talking about the mix only with the bass unedited and other like McCreary is talking about a much overproduced version with Synths/Guitar parts and Bass present in this initial take ? So where is the truth about it?
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Reply #9 posted 06/14/19 7:47am

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love2thenines2003 said:

Confusion /...what is this initial version? Those well informed here are talking about the mix only with the bass unedited and other like McCreary is talking about a much overproduced version with Synths/Guitar parts and Bass present in this initial take ? So where is the truth about it?


These previous mixes might all be from the same single multitrack master where he quickly layered on tracks with the intention of streamlining later. “Holly Rock” on “Originals” might be an example of him making a crowded mix that was then most likely already paring down in his mind... to be actually chiseled down after many listens in different environments. Or after the new lead vocal (and any special session player instrumentation) was applied... as is with “Holly Rock”

For all we know, the super crowded produced mix of “Cross the Line” would have been pared down too if at had made the final cut... but actually most of that album, “Lovesexy” was about crowding the mixes quickly and just putting it out as a energetic cacophony.
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Reply #10 posted 06/14/19 5:54pm

masaba

ufoclub said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Confusion /...what is this initial version? Those well informed here are talking about the mix only with the bass unedited and other like McCreary is talking about a much overproduced version with Synths/Guitar parts and Bass present in this initial take ? So where is the truth about it?


These previous mixes might all be from the same single multitrack master where he quickly layered on tracks with the intention of streamlining later. “Holly Rock” on “Originals” might be an example of him making a crowded mix that was then most likely already paring down in his mind... to be actually chiseled down after many listens in different environments. Or after the new lead vocal (and any special session player instrumentation) was applied... as is with “Holly Rock”

For all we know, the super crowded produced mix of “Cross the Line” would have been pared down too if at had made the final cut... but actually most of that album, “Lovesexy” was about crowding the mixes quickly and just putting it out as a energetic cacophony.
I feel like P was fully embracing that overcrowded style cacophony funk around 87-88
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Reply #11 posted 06/14/19 6:43pm

imprimis

In the same manner as other cluttered Early/Mid-1984 Production: 'Traffic Jam', '100 MPH'.

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[Edited 6/14/19 18:45pm]

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Reply #12 posted 06/15/19 1:08am

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love2thenines2003 said:

Confusion /...what is this initial version? Those well informed here are talking about the mix only with the bass unedited and other like McCreary is talking about a much overproduced version with Synths/Guitar parts and Bass present in this initial take ? So where is the truth about it?


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I already told you in the other topic...
She's talking about version #1: the full on version with a bass (I was told there's also a full on version without the bass, I don't doubt it but I've never heard or seen any evidence of it...)
This is the version she's talking about... ("Full on" meaning everything-but-the-kitchen-sink version...)

(Version #2 is the released version with a different bass line...)
(Version #3 is the "theme" version that was considered for scenes in the movie...)

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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Reply #13 posted 06/15/19 1:14am

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rdhull said:

Listen to the live version Syracuse. Does that give us any hints, like the 17 Days live version birthday show June 1984?


No...
That's a mash up with some "Computer Blue" elements thrown in...

Neversin.

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Reply #14 posted 06/15/19 1:39am

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Neversin said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Confusion /...what is this initial version? Those well informed here are talking about the mix only with the bass unedited and other like McCreary is talking about a much overproduced version with Synths/Guitar parts and Bass present in this initial take ? So where is the truth about it?


...

I already told you in the other topic...
She's talking about version #1: the full on version with a bass (I was told there's also a full on version without the bass, I don't doubt it but I've never heard or seen any evidence of it...)
This is the version she's talking about... ("Full on" meaning everything-but-the-kitchen-sink version...)

(Version #2 is the released version with a different bass line...)
(Version #3 is the "theme" version that was considered for scenes in the movie...)

Neversin.

Thanx Neversin...English is not my mother language...sometimes the meaning is little confuse...here is much better clair for me...sorry to have annoyed you before directly or not with my insistance....i thanx u a lot for the clear info u provided !!

PS>I suppose u own the 1st version.....and if this is the case...maybe u are not fan of??

[Edited 6/15/19 1:41am]

[Edited 6/15/19 2:57am]

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Reply #15 posted 06/19/19 2:22am

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We need to see this version ....leaked......this 1st version is out there (not only in the Prince's Vault) !

cool

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Reply #16 posted 06/19/19 3:35am

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It'd be a curiousity but I bet it's an absolute mess, like that unedited version of U Got the Look that's incredibly boring.

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Reply #17 posted 06/19/19 3:38am

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jaawwnn said:

It'd be a curiousity but I bet it's an absolute mess, like that unedited version of U Got the Look that's incredibly boring.

This is ur point of view...note mine !

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Reply #18 posted 06/19/19 8:42am

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Well obviously. I'd of course be curious to hear it as a fan, but god knows where it would end. The version of 1999 with all the vocals? Entire albums with all edits removed and everything mixed back in? On the one hand i'm all for it - release it all, every stem and every track he ever recorded; but on the other - what a mess it'd quickly become.





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Reply #19 posted 06/19/19 2:36pm

42Kristen

lol

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Reply #20 posted 06/19/19 2:59pm

rdhull

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jaawwnn said:

It'd be a curiousity but I bet it's an absolute mess,

I highly doubt it.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #21 posted 06/26/19 2:58am

love2thenines2
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Who's heard this mysterious Alternative 1st take.....among collectors or lucky fans ... i'd wish some1 can provide a deeper description & feelings ?

thanx in advance

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