rusty1 said:

donnyenglish said:

I like 1993-1995 better than 1983-1985. Come, Exodus and Gold are as good as it gets for me. I love the released and unreleased music from that era and the concerts, aftershows and impropmtu performances were awesome. I also love his band from that period. My only criticism for that period is that the side projects were not very good, assuming that we count Exodus as a Prince album. He had a fire a passion during this period and it was relfected in his writing. His guitar playing had gone to another level evidenced by The Undertaker project. There are still some unreleased gems from that era like Love Thy Will Be Done (NPG Version with Prince on vocals).

83to 85 blows away 93 to 95 there is nothing that comes close to songs such as "Rasberry beret", "when doves cry"etc Prince wouldn't have been a legend without especially his 82 to 87 era

Both are good.... But the NPG (especially during that era) kicks the Revoultions ass! I have always felt the Revoultion was overatted.

macaylasdad said:

rusty1 said:

donnyenglish said: 83to 85 blows away 93 to 95 there is nothing that comes close to songs such as "Rasberry beret", "when doves cry"etc Prince wouldn't have been a legend without especially his 82 to 87 era

Both are good.... But the NPG (especially during that era) kicks the Revoultions ass! I have always felt the Revoultion was overatted.

since people cannot just discuss the Come era album, compare D&P, Love Symbol, Come, GoldNi&&a against 1999, Purple Rain, ATWIAD, Parade... nothing is overated about 1983-1986

why the need to compare? why not just discuss the Come album and time period

A great time to be a fan.

There was so much music, video releases, and so many underground releases (which most made it out alive). Geting boots of unreleased material was at its highest. Exciting time for us fans (not fams).

And you can blame WB for all of that.
Prince trying to prove to the Man that he didnt need them just gave us more to enjoy.

Yes, most of the antics that came with this period was tiresome and embarrasing, but thats Prince for ya.
All the name changes, and the messages he was spreading were

I hated the look.
Hated the entourage that would come on stage with him at times. The NPG taking over.
The sampling And the rapping........... well we eventually got used to it.

But the constant flow of new music was awesome.

Come is my favourite album from the 90's. And if it had been released with Interactive and Endorphinemachine as the opening tracks, I would've placed it right up there with his best from the 80's.

What a huge shame Emancipation followed it all.

macaylasdad said:

violetcrush said:

macaylasdad said:

Both are good.... But the NPG (especially during that era) kicks the Revoultions ass! I have always felt the Revoultion was overatted.

If you think The Revolution were overrated you need to listen to more of the live shows.

yeah because Bobby Z was a better drummer than Micheal B? AndMark Brown was a better bassist than Sonny T? Wendy was better than Prince? Lisa was better than Morris Hayes? #foh I have seen the revolution live and they were boring AF....

OldFriends4Sale said:

macaylasdad said:

Both are good.... But the NPG (especially during that era) kicks the Revoultions ass! I have always felt the Revoultion was overatted.

since people cannot just discuss the Come era album, compare D&P, Love Symbol, Come, GoldNi&&a against 1999, Purple Rain, ATWIAD, Parade... nothing is overated about 1983-1986

why the need to compare? why not just discuss the Come album and time period

ok... the era.... the Come era, Prince changed it all up...new sound, new band and wasn't reaching for pop audience. Put TGE against any of those albums from the 80's and tell it sounds like any of them?

That era from 93 to 95 Prince really grew artistically and wasn't playing it safe for the sake of having hits and getting radio plays

really lets stop with the comparison

that this period has to be compared with 1980s is a shaky arguement

that people cannot even deal with the Come album/era on it's own merits without comparing or trying to put down another era/band, is tell of the era in question.

This below applies to discussions like this

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/build-up

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-have-to-put-someone-down-to-build-themselves-up

Rule #2: Never build yourself up by tearing someone else down

macaylasdad said:

PAPA

There was one September day that Papa worked to hard
First he crucified every dandelion out in the yard
Then he screamed at baby twice for throwin' rocks at passin' cars
Baby didn't listen, so like a priceless work of art
He got snatched by his Papa who then opened up the closet door
And pushed the four-year-old down, onto the closet floor
Baby cried "I'm sorry, I won't do it no more"
Papa said "Yeah, I know, that's what this here's for"
Smack!
Oh Papa
Smack! Smack!
Oh Papa, Papa
Smack!
Oh Papa
Smack! Smack!
Oh Papa, Papa

As the door closes, baby starts to cry
"Please don't lock me up again, without a reason why"
Papa just went outside and pointed a shotgun up in the sky
He said "How come I don't love my woman?"
Then he took aim and died

Boom!
Papa
Boom! Boom!...

Boom!
Papa
Boom! Boom!
Papa, Papa
Boom!
Papa,
Boom! Boom!
Papa, Papa

Don't abuse children, or else they turn out like me

Fair to partly crazy, deep down we're all the same
Every single one of us knows some kind of pain
In the middle of all that's crazy, this one fact still remains
If you love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain

While specific recording dates are not known, basic tracking took place in January 1993 at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota (during the same set of sessions that produced Pheromone and Dance Of Desperation). The track was originally included as the fourth track on a March 1993 configuration of Come. It was also planned as the first track on the Papa EP, planned for release on Prince's birthday, 7 June 1993, but later abandoned. It was kept for inclusion on the Come album as the seventh track on a 11 March 1994 configuration.

Prince has hinted in shows that the song is semi-autobiographical (often finishing the performance by stating "don't abuse children - or else they turn out like me", a line from the song), but Prince's mother has only said that she and Prince's father had "normal disagreements", and it has been suggested that Prince's childhood was more peaceful than the depictions in this song and in the movie Purple Rain.

-PrinceVault

why u cant judge Prince by just his 80's output

jfenster said:

why u cant judge Prince by just his 80's output

I don't buy it anymore...

All everyone is doing is comparing this album to his 1980s output...

Could u just talk about the Come album/era in a vacuum?

No one is really trying

violetcrush said:

macaylasdad said:

yeah because Bobby Z was a better drummer than Micheal B? AndMark Brown was a better bassist than Sonny T? Wendy was better than Prince? Lisa was better than Morris Hayes? #foh I have seen the revolution live and they were boring AF....

Bobby was as good as he needed to be for what the band was doing. Mark was/is an excellent bassist - as Prince once stated “if Mark were not in my band I’d eliminate bass altogether”. Mark created the “rumble” that Prince loved so much - so much so that he had Levi continue it after he left. Just listen to him playing 17 Days live at the ‘84 birthday show - AMAZING. Wendy played guitar a certain way which complimented Prince’s playing - she was never meant to be the “lead” guitarist in that band. She added the extra chords and funky “chicken grease”, as well as the on stage chemistry with Prince. Yes, Lisa IS a better player than Morris Hayes - you are kidding, right?? Even Morris has stated he was/is not that skilled of a player - but like Bobby - he did what Prince asked him to do in the band and Prince trusted him. Prince was enamored with Lisa’s playing - it is rich and ethereal sounding - she’s not a “funk” player, but she is highly skilled and can play anything, which is why Prince had her there for 6 yrs. * So, you saw Prince and The Revolution live, or The Revolution live recently?? Two different things entirely. I was referring to the band with Prince from 1984-1986. Yes, Michael B and Sonny T may be better players from a “technical” standpoint, but the the NPG were no match for the chemistry that The Revolution had back then and the amazing shows they did.

in all fairness...The Revolution was over hyped because of PR...more tahn half of PR and AWTWID was recorded by Prince himself...so really we have Parade as an almost total total band effort...Prince recorded 2 or 3 three songs solo, Prince, W&L colloboarted on a few and the whole band as 2.

I have seen the revolution live then and now, it easy to play off good chemistry when you have the top album in the world that was #1 for 24 weeks. It just was the timing... Believe me... I am not taking away anything they've done and truth be told, Prince never had a partners like W&L and I do love their contributions. But the Come era NPG was something completly different. It was fresh and new...

Question for you: do you prefer than 1982 Revoultion or the 1984 Revolition?

OldFriends4Sale said:

jfenster said:

why u cant judge Prince by just his 80's output

I don't buy it anymore...

All everyone is doing is comparing this album to his 1980s output...

Could u just talk about the Come album/era in a vacuum?

No one is really trying

I liked this era. I am more partial to the unreleased configaratons for Come than the final released version. Race and Phermone are awesome. Papa was dark but a great joint.

This period seemed to flow very well amongst each release conceptually. The thing, in my opinion, that hurt the era was the name change and fight with WB.

Musically a great era. A lot of performances and releases.

violetcrush said:

dodger said:

Agree. I've never believed the theory about Come being a deliberate 'mediocre' album. Even if it was 'contract filler' it doesn't detract from the songs. . Yes, he could have given WB a couple of stronger tracks for it but still almost every song on it he either played live or made a video for, so it was not an album full of unwanted outtakes . Plus as OT says he showcased a lot of the songs in The Beautiful Experience movie amongst other 'new experiences'

I think he had just moved on from the Come album, in addition to the WB feud which had delayed the release. He wanted Gold to take precedence because it was his most current work.

Not really.

He was still playing songs from Come on the 'Gold tour' and aftershows in 95.

dodger said:

macaylasdad said:

violetcrush said:

macaylasdad said: Bobby was as good as he needed to be for what the band was doing. Mark was/is an excellent bassist - as Prince once stated “if Mark were not in my band I’d eliminate bass altogether”. Mark created the “rumble” that Prince loved so much - so much so that he had Levi continue it after he left. Just listen to him playing 17 Days live at the ‘84 birthday show - AMAZING. Wendy played guitar a certain way which complimented Prince’s playing - she was never meant to be the “lead” guitarist in that band. She added the extra chords and funky “chicken grease”, as well as the on stage chemistry with Prince. Yes, Lisa IS a better player than Morris Hayes - you are kidding, right?? Even Morris has stated he was/is not that skilled of a player - but like Bobby - he did what Prince asked him to do in the band and Prince trusted him. Prince was enamored with Lisa’s playing - it is rich and ethereal sounding - she’s not a “funk” player, but she is highly skilled and can play anything, which is why Prince had her there for 6 yrs. * So, you saw Prince and The Revolution live, or The Revolution live recently?? Two different things entirely. I was referring to the band with Prince from 1984-1986. Yes, Michael B and Sonny T may be better players from a “technical” standpoint, but the the NPG were no match for the chemistry that The Revolution had back then and the amazing shows they did.

in all fairness...The Revolution was over hyped because of PR...more tahn half of PR and AWTWID was recorded by Prince himself...so really we have Parade as an almost total total band effort...Prince recorded 2 or 3 three songs solo, Prince, W&L colloboarted on a few and the whole band as 2.

I have seen the revolution live then and now, it easy to play off good chemistry when you have the top album in the world that was #1 for 24 weeks. It just was the timing... Believe me... I am not taking away anything they've done and truth be told, Prince never had a partners like W&L and I do love their contributions. But the Come era NPG was something completly different. It was fresh and new...

Question for you: do you prefer than 1982 Revoultion or the 1984 Revolition?

no they weren't, the Revolution band was also the 1999 band and Controversy. Someone could ssay Prince was overhyped because of PR as well.
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To say that that 1980-1986 period was over hyped either you/someone did not live it or just trying to downplay it. I mean Prince the Revolution, Sheila E, the Time worked their asses off to make this happen and to say "it was over hyped' is silly. It almost feels intentionally derailing.

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Purple Rain: Let's Go Crazy, Take Me With U, Computer Blue, Purple Rain, IWD4U, Baby I'm a Star are all with the band, 3 songs are solely Prince, so how does your math come up with -more than 1/2?

ATWIAD 3 full band pieces, 2 solo Prince pieces, 4 Prince with some Revolution and other musician pieces

.

But again the fact that people are discussing the Revolution or comparing the 1983-1986 period instead of just discussing the COME album era tells me something...

Love this thread OF4S. Such a brilliant time for me sharing his journey at this point. The UK legs of the tour were insane - remember Sonny T narly breaking my hand with his handshake!!

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Love this thread OF4S. Such a brilliant time for me sharing his journey at this point. The UK legs of the tour were insane - remember Sonny T narly breaking my hand with his handshake!!

Europe really got to experience this era in a way that the USA didn't.
So I can definately see how the experience can be intimately connected for many Prince fans.

Sonny T broke your hand????

Prince Retires -- Maybe
He says he's quitting studio work, but don't hold your breath

By Michael Goldberg

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PRINCE TO RETIRE FROM STUDIO RECORDING. That was the headline of a press release faxed to the media on the evening of April 27th. Earlier that day, less than a year after Prince signed a recording and publishing deal with Warner Bros. Records potentially worth an estimated $100 million, Warner Bros. chairman Mo Ostin and company president Lenny Waronker were informed by Gilbert Davison, president of Paisley Park Enterprises, that Prince would not be delivering any more studio albums to the company.

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Instead, the press release said, Prince would fulfill the remainder of the six-album deal -- for which he receives a per-album advance of $10 million -- with old songs from his immense library of "500 unreleased recordings." In that way, new Prince albums can be released "well into the twenty-first century." The statement, which was ent out by Prince's New York-based publicist Michael Pagnotta, also said that "after releasing fifteen albums in fifteen years, [Prince] is turning his creative talents to alternative media -- including live theater, interactive media, nightclubs and motion pictures."

The announcement was greeted with skepticism at Warner Bros., throughout the record business and even among some of Prince's associates. "Prince is a very mercurial fellow," said Eric Leeds, a saxophonist who has toured and recorded with Prince and who currently records solo albums for Prince's label, Paisley Park. "He could change his mind tomorrow. I just kind of chuckle when I hear those things. I say, 'Okay, here he goes again.'"

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At Warner Bros., there was no official comment, but executives are apparently taking a low-key, somewhat amused approach to the news. "People were laughing," said a source at the company.

"Anything he says you have to take with a grain of salt," says Danny Goldberg, a senior vice-president at the Time Warner-owned Atlantic Records.

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No official explanation from wither Prince or his employees was forthcoming. Those who know Prince have a few theories about the announcement. Some feel this could be Prince's way of expressing his disappointment with U.S. sales of his latest album, 0{+>, which are in the neighborhood of 2 million copies. The Warner Bros. source said that a week before the announcement, Prince had been in the office meeting with Ostin and Waronker "expressing his dissatisfactions and frustrations."
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Eric Leeds thinks Prince may want to renegotiate some part of his deal. "Maybe there's a point in the new deal that he's not particularly thrilled with and he's saying, 'Well, let me play hardball with them for a minute,'" said Leeds.

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Or it could be, as some current and former Prince business associates believe, that Prince is fed up with the rock-star treadmill. Alan Leeds, who was vice-president of Paisley Park Records until about eight months ago, and is Eric Leeds' older brother, said, "This is a guy who is simply uncomfortable with the confines of the 1990s music industry and the constraints it puts on a prolific artist.

"The idea that you're dictated to: 'Okay, you make a record this month, you release it that month, you sit on your ass for three months, you tour for three months, you sit on your ass for a nother three months' -- that's not the kind of guy Prince is," continued Leeds. "He's a guy who lives on the edge, who likes spontanaeity above all else. And all of those things about his lifestyle are discouraged by the structure of the music industry. It's an enormously frustrating existence for him." This is not the first time Prince has made a dramatic public anouncement. In April of 1985, just a few days before the conclusion of the Purple Rain tour, Prince announced he was going to stop touring for "two to three years." Prince's explanation at the time, as relayed via his then manager Steve Fargnoli: "Sometimes it snows in April."

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"Five months after that we were in rehearsals for the next tour," said Eric Leeds. "And we were out playing gigs within a year."

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Chances are that the retirement will be short-lived. In fact, a source who works with Prince says that the day after the press release was issued, the star was in an L.A. studio producing an album for his current band, the New Power Generation. "I can guarantee that if he comes up with another 'When Doves Cry,' the first thing he's going to do is go to Warner Bros. and say: 'Release this. Tomorrow!'" said Eric Leeds.

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"There's only three things for sure in this life," said Alan Leeds. "We're all born, we all die, and Prince will make another record on of these days."

ROLLING STONE, JUNE 10TH, 1993

(RS 658)

7.10.1993 @ Paisley Park
The New Power Generation
1. Johnny"
2. Goldnigga"
3. Black MF In The House
4. Guess Who's Knockin'
5. 2gether"

Prince & The NPG
1. Call The Low
2. Sexy MF /Love 2 The 9's
3. Space
4. Endorphinemachine
5. Come

7.31. 1993 Act-Ⅱ Tour

THE FORUM London Aftershow

1. Johnny
2. Race
3. Papa
4. Honky Tonk Women
5. The Ride
6. Bambi
7. Blue Light
8. Loose!
9. Peach
10. House In Order

In order to show respect and focus to the indicated Act II - Come era no more debates about the 1980s vs this period or this period compared to any other will be allowed(will be deleted) and I will go thru and respectfull remove all posts that create that VS arguement

OldFriends4Sale said:

dodger said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

In order to show respect and focus to the indicated Act II - Come era no more debates about the 1980s vs this period or this period compared to any other will be allowed(will be deleted) and I will go thru and respectfull remove all posts that create that VS arguement

The most apt gif for the comment. I’ve got to say you do some great work on here

LOL thanks, yeah that is a GoOd one

violetcrush said:

^^^ From The Undertaker video, right?

No, at the end of Peach on The Sacrifice Of Victor video

dodger said:

violetcrush said:

^^^ From The Undertaker video, right?

No, at the end of Peach on The Sacrifice Of Victor video

indeed, I was there that snowy night at the front...the noise when the guitar hit the stahe was deafening!...he REALLY slammed it!

OldFriends4Sale said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Love this thread OF4S. Such a brilliant time for me sharing his journey at this point. The UK legs of the tour were insane - remember Sonny T narly breaking my hand with his handshake!!

Europe really got to experience this era in a way that the USA didn't.
So I can definately see how the experience can be intimately connected for many Prince fans.

Sonny T broke your hand????

not quite broke it....picture this...NPG Gold Tour [with the vagina stage set!!], met the band briefly after one of the gigs..was mid-shaking hands with sonny & quickly asked when TGE album would be released..his grip tightened significantly!, he glared at me menacingly [!] & said "shhhhh" !!!