nosajd said:

jjam said:

Nice generalisation there.

Right, geeze

God, we need to be able to block that one.
I can put up with officiousness and bluster, but not a worshipful grammar drop-out.

PeteSilas said:

Sinnick said:

I don't know if this has ever been mentioned before, but I've always felt he wasn't saying 'But now that I am I'. That never made sense to me. Instead, I thought he was trying to say...

'But now that I am about to die'

However, he didn't want to sing the whole phrase - either for effect or because that would be too much of a reveal. Consequently, he stops at the first syllable of 'about' producing an "ahhh" sound which could pass for "I".

Good catch no one will totally convince me that he didn't have doubts of living

But don't we all?
He was nearing 60, his body was breaking down and he wasn't his "old self" that he loved anymore.

We all know we're dying. Hell, I'm 11 years older than he is/was and I feel it LOL.

laytonian said:

80tomato said:

plus , to reiterate, he had fair warning that the tablets were deadly and he still took them

What's your source for THAT?
The hospital pharmacist, when asked to analyze a pill, deemed it "legitimate".

what is your source that the pill the hospital was given to analyse was the same as the ones he took...P knew he od on some pills he had and he kept taking them. I know there appears to have been different amounts of fentanyl in each pill ( if remember correctly ) ....but lets get back on topic

[Edited 5/18/19 8:33am]

80tomato said:

laytonian said:

What's your source for THAT?
The hospital pharmacist, when asked to analyze a pill, deemed it "legitimate".

what is your source that the pill the hospital was given to analyse was the same as the ones he took...P knew he od on some pills he had and he kept taking them. I know there appears to have been different amounts of fentanyl in each pill ( if remember correctly ) ....but lets get back on topic

[Edited 5/18/19 8:33am]

Because there was only one bottle of pills in that travel bag.

We don't know how many he took because there were no tests.

i thought the police report said that the watson pills were just given a once over at the moline hospital and ok'd but they didn't test them and didn't know they were counterfeits.

PeteSilas said:

i thought the police report said that the watson pills were just given a once over at the moline hospital and ok'd but they didn't test them and didn't know they were counterfeits.

They did that's why Prince's(r.i.p.) family was trying to file a wrongful death suit against the Moline hospital.

PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

"Avalanche" wrecks me both the lyrics, and what they mean, how I realte them perosnally to some things, and the clever metaphor, the changing scope of the song, and the incredible melody.

It's a "Joy in Repetition" level favorite for me.

"Way Back Home"... when I first listened to this album (right at it's release). And it got to this part, I felt like the whole thing was a mortal goodbye, almost like the sweetest suicide note. I was floored. It was like he was looking forward to death through a sci-fi metaphor.

for some reason, i thought of you when I wrote about avalanche, as being one of the fans who wouldn't have liked it, that's surprising, why could you relate to it? Don't know why I thought of you but I did, maybe because you poo poo'd some of prince's more silly ideas (which deserved questioning).

I first heard Avalanche, live, front row center at the One Night Alone tour... and it was shocking (the Lincoln line), and the melody was so haunting and 70's drenched (not unlike the intro to "The Stranger" by Billy Joel.

But also, at another part of the concert, I had never felt so much joy imparted from Prince live as when he and the band launched into that cover of Sing a Simple song. Everyone would jump to the lead mic at the beginning to do their part of the intro, and Prince jumping/slding into place in his white Luke Skywalker boots with a big smile, and even laughter that was shared with other band members. It made me feel how much the music was a joy and a heritage and that Prince took that and had made a career and world out of it. And I deeply felt the blackness of that musical love as well, and I felt I was privy to seeng the band actually have more fun playing the cover and each doing their part in a song they loved, and song that Prince was a fan of, (and infuenced by)... more fun than simply being conscious of the audience and putting on a rehearsed the show. It transcended the theatrics, and I really was hit with this idea of the music being a spark of joy. A valuable cultural original treasure from the roots of that unfortunate history (beyond the era of the song) back to the past.

And then when the album came out later and I was listening to it in expensive headphones late one night... SOME CONTEXT: I had also just seen the scene, literally an hour before, in "Little Big Man" with the attack on Wounded Knee depicted with characters you had grown to know and love. "Little Big Man" is a big movie to me, having first seen it in film school, and I was just blown away by it's mythic scope, and ability to have an ending just drenched with unique emotion.

And the song hit me as the most anguished perspective of what happened with the white colonists/settlers/owners, it shifted from the obvious begining that everyone has in mind about slavery to a different historic crime of one race (unfortunately the suffocating white race as the title of the song brackets) wronging another, and then... it took the idea into an original direction, into the direction of the music, that culturally unique joy, the thing that was personal to Prince, and even that got covered with the beautiful snowflakes massed into a deadening force. I just imagined someone stealing or wrongfully owning that joy that I had witnessed form a culture that was hard pressed to wring something from a situation so bad.

The scope of the song is epic, and its simple metaphor is so good.

And I also love the music, the melody, and the vocal performance. It is simply one of my favorites.

[Edited 5/18/19 16:20pm]

ufoclub said:

PeteSilas said:

for some reason, i thought of you when I wrote about avalanche, as being one of the fans who wouldn't have liked it, that's surprising, why could you relate to it? Don't know why I thought of you but I did, maybe because you poo poo'd some of prince's more silly ideas (which deserved questioning).

I first heard Avalanche, live, front row center at the One Night Alone tour... and it was shocking (the Lincoln line), and the melody was so haunting and 70's drenched (not unlike the intro to "The Stranger" by Billy Joel.

But also, at another part of the concert, I had never felt so much joy imparted from Prince live as when he and the band launched into that cover of Sing a Simple song. Everyone would jump to the lead mic at the beginning to do their part of the intro, and Prince jumping/slding into place in his white Luke Skywalker boots with a big smile, and even laughter that was shared with other band members. It made me feel how much the music was a joy and a heritage and that Prince took that and had made a career and world out of it. And I deeply felt the blackness of that musical love as well, and I felt I was privy to seeng the band actually have more fun playing the cover and each doing their part in a song they loved, and song that Prince was a fan of, (and infuenced by)... more fun than simply being conscious of the audience and putting on a rehearsed the show. It transcended the theatrics, and I really was hit with this idea of the music being a spark of joy. A valuable cultural original treasure from the roots of that unfortunate history (beyond the era of the song) back to the past.

And then when the album came out later and I was listening to it in expensive headphones late one night... SOME CONTEXT: I had also just seen the scene, literally an hour before, in "Little Big Man" with the attack on Wounded Knee depicted with characters you had grown to know and love. "Little Big Man" is a big movie to me, having first seen it in film school, and I was just blown away by it's mythic scope, and ability to have an ending just drenched with unique emotion.

And the song hit me as the most anguished perspective of what happened with the white colonists/settlers/owners, it shifted from the obvious begining that everyone has in mind about slavery to a different historic crime of one race (unfortunately the suffocating white race as the title of the song brackets) wronging another, and then... it took the idea into an original direction, into the direction of the music, that culturally unique joy, the thing that was personal to Prince, and even that got covered with the beautiful snowflakes massed into a deadening force. I just imagined someone stealing or wrongfully owning that joy that I had witnessed form a culture that was hard pressed to wring something from a situation so bad.

The scope of the song is epic, and its simple metaphor is so good.

And I also love the music, the melody, and the vocal performance. It is simply one of my favorites.

[Edited 5/18/19 16:20pm]

great answer, thanks, little big man is in my opinion the greatest indian movie ever, perfect in that it had just enough humor to take a bit off the pain. One of the best films ever made and one of the best acting job, actually 2 if you count chief dan george (really the entire cast was wonderful).

UFO Would you be so kind as to briefly recount your email exchange with Prince again? I love that story.

laytonian said:

80tomato said:

what is your source that the pill the hospital was given to analyse was the same as the ones he took...P knew he od on some pills he had and he kept taking them. I know there appears to have been different amounts of fentanyl in each pill ( if remember correctly ) ....but lets get back on topic

[Edited 5/18/19 8:33am]

Because there was only one bottle of pills in that travel bag.

We don't know how many he took because there were no tests.

I'm just relating the incident to myself ...Had I overdosed on pills i thought were basically harmless then I woud be wary about taking them again regardless of what the hospital said ,and yes, I believe they were legitemised by the code stamped on them and not a chemical analysis .I also love the song and will entertain Avalanche again after reading all your perspectives

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this has to be the most touching song that prince has ever written .

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.@JOSHUAWORLD, real talk, when U gave Prince the beat 2 “WAY BACK HOME” [breathtaking job btw] & HE RETURNED it with a quickness, the LYRICS & his original MIX - what do U even say? do U remember THAT nite & what WAS said? the @delilahmusic bg VOX R the ULTIMATE knife 2 the HEART

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PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

I first heard Avalanche, live, front row center at the One Night Alone tour... and it was shocking (the Lincoln line), and the melody was so haunting and 70's drenched (not unlike the intro to "The Stranger" by Billy Joel.

But also, at another part of the concert, I had never felt so much joy imparted from Prince live as when he and the band launched into that cover of Sing a Simple song. Everyone would jump to the lead mic at the beginning to do their part of the intro, and Prince jumping/slding into place in his white Luke Skywalker boots with a big smile, and even laughter that was shared with other band members. It made me feel how much the music was a joy and a heritage and that Prince took that and had made a career and world out of it. And I deeply felt the blackness of that musical love as well, and I felt I was privy to seeng the band actually have more fun playing the cover and each doing their part in a song they loved, and song that Prince was a fan of, (and infuenced by)... more fun than simply being conscious of the audience and putting on a rehearsed the show. It transcended the theatrics, and I really was hit with this idea of the music being a spark of joy. A valuable cultural original treasure from the roots of that unfortunate history (beyond the era of the song) back to the past.

And then when the album came out later and I was listening to it in expensive headphones late one night... SOME CONTEXT: I had also just seen the scene, literally an hour before, in "Little Big Man" with the attack on Wounded Knee depicted with characters you had grown to know and love. "Little Big Man" is a big movie to me, having first seen it in film school, and I was just blown away by it's mythic scope, and ability to have an ending just drenched with unique emotion.

And the song hit me as the most anguished perspective of what happened with the white colonists/settlers/owners, it shifted from the obvious begining that everyone has in mind about slavery to a different historic crime of one race (unfortunately the suffocating white race as the title of the song brackets) wronging another, and then... it took the idea into an original direction, into the direction of the music, that culturally unique joy, the thing that was personal to Prince, and even that got covered with the beautiful snowflakes massed into a deadening force. I just imagined someone stealing or wrongfully owning that joy that I had witnessed form a culture that was hard pressed to wring something from a situation so bad.

The scope of the song is epic, and its simple metaphor is so good.

And I also love the music, the melody, and the vocal performance. It is simply one of my favorites.

[Edited 5/18/19 16:20pm]

great answer, thanks, little big man is in my opinion the greatest indian movie ever, perfect in that it had just enough humor to take a bit off the pain. One of the best films ever made and one of the best acting job, actually 2 if you count chief dan george (really the entire cast was wonderful).

UFO Would you be so kind as to briefly recount your email exchange with Prince again? I love that story.

Well, that is not 100% confirmed:

I once emailed the customer service email in the NPGMC days, and complained about the bootleg quality of the VHS "Beautiful Experience" they sold to us club members. I got a reply apology saying that poor quality was all they had on hand.

I had emailed under my real name through my work email. They also at the end of the message asked if I was "Ufoclub"... ??????

Then they asked if I had turned in a certain entry to the song contest, and they named the one I had made. I wrote back and said "yeah, that was me, sorry, it was kind of weird, huh?"

They wrote back one simple response... " It was... interesting."

I figured it was some staff at customer service at Paisley Park, right?

Well at the Celebration in 2002, I asked Femi Jeya who the judges were that listened to the songs, and whether he had listened to them to help judge the contest. He laughed and said there was nobody else but Prince that listened to them and judged.

laytonian said:

80tomato said:

plus , to reiterate, he had fair warning that the tablets were deadly and he still took them

What's your source for THAT?
The hospital pharmacist, when asked to analyze a pill, deemed it "legitimate".

I'm assuming he means the Moline incident.

thanks, i love that story. I had a website with a little red corvette cover and someone from chanhassen followed the link from the org and listened to it in the middle of the night, had to be him.

ufoclub said:

PeteSilas said:

great answer, thanks, little big man is in my opinion the greatest indian movie ever, perfect in that it had just enough humor to take a bit off the pain. One of the best films ever made and one of the best acting job, actually 2 if you count chief dan george (really the entire cast was wonderful).

UFO Would you be so kind as to briefly recount your email exchange with Prince again? I love that story.

Well, that is not 100% confirmed:

I once emailed the customer service email in the NPGMC days, and complained about the bootleg quality of the VHS "Beautiful Experience" they sold to us club members. I got a reply apology saying that poor quality was all they had on hand.

I had emailed under my real name through my work email. They also at the end of the message asked if I was "Ufoclub"... ??????

Then they asked if I had turned in a certain entry to the song contest, and they named the one I had made. I wrote back and said "yeah, that was me, sorry, it was kind of weird, huh?"

They wrote back one simple response... " It was... interesting."

I figured it was some staff at customer service at Paisley Park, right?

Well at the Celebration in 2002, I asked Femi Jeya who the judges were that listened to the songs, and whether he had listened to them to help judge the contest. He laughed and said there was nobody else but Prince that listened to them and judged.