databank said:

Strive said:

databank said:

Same here That's a major cognitive dissonance: the "higher plan" + "God loves us" vs. all that unjustifiable suffering (both human and animal). Somehow I managed to believe that the "higher plan" justified it before, now I find it harder to believe. Looking a the world we've been thrown in, a God that hates us would make more sense than one who loves us

Satan is in control of this system and will soon get wiped away. We're in the last days of self-rule/rebellion that goes back to the first humans. Also no man is perfect so don't take offense and let their flaws push you away from God.

You're joking, right?

Strive said:

databank said:

Same here That's a major cognitive dissonance: the "higher plan" + "God loves us" vs. all that unjustifiable suffering (both human and animal). Somehow I managed to believe that the "higher plan" justified it before, now I find it harder to believe. Looking a the world we've been thrown in, a God that hates us would make more sense than one who loves us

Satan is in control of this system and will soon get wiped away. We're in the last days of self-rule/rebellion that goes back to the first humans. Also no man is perfect so don't take offense and let their flaws push you away from God.

That is the JW belief and interpretation, yes. But there no traces of that kind of perception in 'Way Back Home' or any of the Art Official Age album.

OperatingThetan said:

Strive said:

databank said: Satan is in control of this system and will soon get wiped away. We're in the last days of self-rule/rebellion that goes back to the first humans. Also no man is perfect so don't take offense and let their flaws push you away from God.

That is the JW belief and interpretation, yes.

Is it? Ah OK I didn't know that.

Still doesn't change much to the "does God hate us?" question, though, if he let Satan take over

databank said:

OperatingThetan said:

That is the JW belief and interpretation, yes.

Is it? Ah OK I didn't know that.

Still doesn't change much to the "does God hate us?" question, though, if he let Satan take over

It is.

The way the JW's frame the situation...it's like an unruly student that interrupts the teacher saying that there's a better way to solve the problem. The teacher could just tell the student to shut up but that wouldn't disprove the student or gain the respect of the classroom. So he let's the student try his way of solving the problem at the blackboard. When he fails, that's proof positive that the teacher is correct and the student is wrong.

So Adam and Eve rebelled against God's rule and set all this in motion. Man continues to think that he knows best and he is fit to rule himself. God's allowing this...temporarily. Soon he'll wipe everything away and bring everybody back for a second chance at paradise on Earth, the way it was always suppose to be.

But OperatingTheatan is right that this has nothing to do with Way Back Home. Still it's an interesting conversation and something worth mentioning. The world can seem so dark sometimes but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Strive said:

databank said:

Is it? Ah OK I didn't know that.

Still doesn't change much to the "does God hate us?" question, though, if he let Satan take over

It is.

The way the JW's frame the situation...it's like an unruly student that interrupts the teacher saying that there's a better way to solve the problem. The teacher could just tell the student to shut up but that wouldn't disprove the student or gain the respect of the classroom. So he let's the student try his way of solving the problem at the blackboard. When he fails, that's proof positive that the teacher is correct and the student is wrong.

So Adam and Eve rebelled against God's rule and set all this in motion. Man continues to think that he knows best and he is fit to rule himself. God's allowing this...temporarily. Soon he'll wipe everything away and bring everybody back for a second chance at paradise on Earth, the way it was always suppose to be.

But OperatingTheatan is right that this has nothing to do with Way Back Home. Still it's an interesting conversation and something worth mentioning. The world can seem so dark sometimes but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Well, the way I understand this:

Some dude no one's never met defied God in heaven'ts classroom and God allowed him to fuck up the lives of thousands of billions of living beings just to make a point.

Everyone's greatgreagreatgreat(x10000)parents defied God and the lives of thousands of billions of people (and animals!) who had nothing to do with it are being fucked up.

Like Prince once wrote: "strange way of saying I love you". Sounds like a God who, if he doesn't hate us, doesn't care much about us either.

So IDK, I guess that's one of the reasons why even when I used to believe in God I did it "on my own" and did not adhere to any formal religion.

Not to criticize or argue with anyone having the christian faith (JW or otherwise), I totally repspect their faith and I respected Prince's, just to say that the whole scenario confuses me when it comes to the "God is love" and "Jesus loves you" parts

But yeah, maybe we're sliding a little out of topic. Sorry for derailing the thread.

I'll send you an orgnote later on

Strive said:

I'll send you an orgnote later on

OK

databank said:

Strive said:

I'll send you an orgnote later on

OK

Sent. I have no idea if it went through or if the formatting was retained but hopefully there's no problem.

I was wrong about the child raising lyric. Apprently it is "COULD" and not "CAN". I always heard "can". Several lyrics are past tense. Let's look at this track

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databank said:

herb4 said:

AoA is one of the few albums where I didn't find the segue and voiceovers to be distracting and detracting from the work. They seemed to fit and rather being tiresome, served to draw the listener in to ascertain their true meaning and generally blended with the album. Unlike the Kirstie Alley, NPG Operator, Exodus and Rainbow Children stuff.

Interesting how our preceptions are the exact opposite on that matter. I'd be curious to discuss it with you over a beer

I made a segue thread once. It didn't get too far.

benni said:

Strive said:

databank said:

Is it? Ah OK I didn't know that.

Still doesn't change much to the "does God hate us?" question, though, if he let Satan take over

It is.

The way the JW's frame the situation...it's like an unruly student that interrupts the teacher saying that there's a better way to solve the problem. The teacher could just tell the student to shut up but that wouldn't disprove the student or gain the respect of the classroom. So he let's the student try his way of solving the problem at the blackboard. When he fails, that's proof positive that the teacher is correct and the student is wrong.

So Adam and Eve rebelled against God's rule and set all this in motion. Man continues to think that he knows best and he is fit to rule himself. God's allowing this...temporarily. Soon he'll wipe everything away and bring everybody back for a second chance at paradise on Earth, the way it was always suppose to be.

But OperatingTheatan is right that this has nothing to do with Way Back Home. Still it's an interesting conversation and something worth mentioning. The world can seem so dark sometimes but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

i been marathoning some chris hedges, he's an interesting guy, educated in some kind of religious college, had a preacher father and his speech cadence matches a preacher, yet he seems to not believe in god at all and makes some good points. things like the things I always wondered, why would god let one man live and one man die? never made sense, never made sense how some are born with no chance and others can have a million fuckups and no problems. I don't know, as i said before though, I tend to lean towards faith but the proof that no one is there is all around us, I refuse to believe that but I know that is about as good a possibility as any.

laytonian said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

laytonian said:

....and IF you have a terminal illness, you have no problem obtaining legitimate painkillers. You also have had a diagnosis via medical doctors.

He knew he was aging and didn't like it much (all those too-Photoshopped images). He didn't feel good because his body was breaking down *and* the painkillers were making him sick. He had every symptom of drug dependence and shrugged it off (denial) until it was too late.

He wasn't dying of a terminal illness.

Prince(r.i.p.) wasn’t that old he was only just in his 50’s.

the 50's is more than old enough to detect how aging will go, I mentioned james brown and his losing his mind over not being able to do the splits, I could see prince being like that, as well as losing his looks, that had to be devestating. People get funny about age, I used to mention age when I was around fighters, then in my mid 30's and "old" for an athlete, some asshole would always take offense to that, sensitive pricks that they were. Even when I wasn't addressing them. 35 is old for a fighter, finished for most, these days the only reason some of them can hang is because the herd is thinned out.

PeteSilas said:

Yeah, it's not always age. As the cliche goes, it's the mileage.

Prince led a charmed life in a lot of ways but he worked his ass off and I doubt it was ever easy. Not for a second. His childhood was less than ideal and in fact seemed quite hard. From the time he was 18 or so, he basically never stopped working.

We know he didn't sleep enough (by his own admission and from everyone that knew him) and from all accounts he never stopped working. His vegan diet must have been hard to maintain. He was slight of build and, when he was younger, left it all on the stage from a physical standpoint. He was vain as all get out and took tremendous pride in his appearance but age eventually eats away at that. Add some pain medicine into the mix...

Towards the end, for the first time, when I looked at him I began to see cracks in the veneer, chinks in the armor and a few things that make up couldn't handle anymore. He started to look older. Not OLD but older. Time wins every time. It's undefeated.

Which reminds me, he put a song on AoA called "Time" and it's lyrics are almost as revealling, even though it's mostly a love song/come on (wonder who it's about?)


I think I'm running out of patience
I think I'm running out of lies
I think its bout time I tell the truth
Instead of these alibis

No more peace and quiet
I wonder why

My heads a little dizzy
My heads spinning around and around
Another dirty hotel room
Another lonely town

I need some time to rest

databank said:

herb4 said:

AoA is one of the few albums where I didn't find the segue and voiceovers to be distracting and detracting from the work. They seemed to fit and rather being tiresome, served to draw the listener in to ascertain their true meaning and generally blended with the album. Unlike the Kirstie Alley, NPG Operator, Exodus and Rainbow Children stuff.

Interesting how our preceptions are the exact opposite on that matter. I'd be curious to discuss it with you over a beer

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I agree with Herb. I hated the Kirtie Alley segues 0+> and the quasi-segues on Come. I was ambivilant toward the segues on The Gold Experience.

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But I really like the voice-overs on AoA. Maybe it's because the woman's voice is very pleasing. Maybe it's because the content at least tries to be something meaningful, rather than cheesy phone calls (0+>) or simple introductions to songs (TGE).

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Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

the 50's is more than old enough to detect how aging will go, I mentioned james brown and his losing his mind over not being able to do the splits, I could see prince being like that, as well as losing his looks, that had to be devestating. People get funny about age, I used to mention age when I was around fighters, then in my mid 30's and "old" for an athlete, some asshole would always take offense to that, sensitive pricks that they were. Even when I wasn't addressing them. 35 is old for a fighter, finished for most, these days the only reason some of them can hang is because the herd is thinned out.

For the majority of those who's youth is instrumental to their careers- athletes, dancers, models, preformers-the aging process can be tough because you have to reevaluate your whole identity. For the majority of us we can expect a long life span and there is always more to learn and opportunities to serve. Prince may not have been able to do the elaborate choreography and stage performances at his age but his gift came from inside , he could always write and record couldn't He? Unless his condition was making it hard for him to operate his instruments?

i agree with you, i see "old" men that I listen to on youtube in their 60's/70's and 80's and they are sharper and more well spoken than i could ever dream of being. but we aren't talking about them, or you, or me, we're talking about a guy we know was vain and narcissistic(god love him) and I cannot see it being easy for him losing not only his physical ability but his masculine beauty and then we ad in the pain, and the knowledge that it will only get worse, i could see why he wanted to check out. The old, "die young and leave a beautiful corpse" is stupid but lots of people hate the aging process. I'm grateful that personally, my ego was never so big that I not only stayed out of bad situations that I could have gotten too but that I also am able to accept aging/limits, if you don't, life forces that humility on you and it can get ugly. The stereotype of the old actress like the one in sunset boulevard is but one example of a real phenomenon.

i've mentioned it a couple times in the last three years but we had one person back when whitney died, when we were talking about "we better look out for prince" and she said "i think he'll be dead in five years" and we all attacked her but I was intrigued by her "logic" there was none, just a feeling. I spoke to someone else on here a couple years ago and they said they were at a show of his and having a good time when out of the blue a thought hit her 'he's going to be dead in five years" different person, different circumstances, maybe our spirits can sense things that our minds can't. personally, i was blindsided, i've joked that I should have wentt and kidnapped him and kicked myself for not taking "way back home" more seriously when I knew, better than most, it was what I call a "death song".

Krystalkisses said:

benni said:

You mentioning this, I had to go back through some old emails. I'd had 2 dreams before his passing about him dying. The first one was 10/9/15 - he went to my childhood church and I was on my way to the river where I was baptised with my kids and was following behind him, he was driving his motorcycle. I kept trying to go around him because he was driving slow, but every time I started to pass there were cars coming. Then the dream switched and it had been announced that he died and the whole world was mourning. Only, he hadn't died. He'd faked his death because there was something he had to do. I actually saw him in a coffin, but realized it wasn't him, it was faked. He asked me if I ever went across country on a motorcycle before and I told him "no", he told me to "hop on, let's go". It was just strange, to dream about mourning him only to find out that he'd faked his death at that time.

Then on 12/12/15, I had a dream a friend and I were having to protect Prince. I had emailed the friend and told that friend: "Something was off with him, something was not right. We were having to protect him. There was so much innocence and purity, almost this child-like innocence in him. Trusting too much those that would use him. He needs to be careful right now. He's, I almost felt like he was in danger somehow. But he's a stubborn man. Very stubborn. Head strong. Not the easiest person, by any stretch of the imagination, to hide or protect when he's decided not to remain hidden. It wasn't ... something was off, way off. Something was broken...I don't know. I know this doesn't make sense, but this dream felt ... we had to protect him. We have to. If we don't, something tremendously awful is going to happen, something that can't be fixed, ever. It's stupid, just probably subconscious fancies or something, but it felt ... the tremendousness of it felt, so real."

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That really sounds like a premonition. He popped into my mind the winter before his death after I hadn't thought of him for a long time and I remember wondering how long he was going to live. It was the most random thought. I also glimpsed at the TV while my family was watching that Warrior's basketball game he attended ( never pay attention to sports) I saw him and I remember a feeling of dread and I don't know why. I absolutely believe your subconscious was trying to communicate with you.

Krystalkisses said:

"Breakdown" was pretty moving too. The last concert I saw of his in 2009 he was playing "Purple Rain" at the piano and said something like " People goin' around talking bout there's no God....there is a God...THERE Is A GOD"!! and he just kinda yelled it at us...it was kinda sobering and shifted the vibe of the night. I didn't even know how to respond or what to think at the time.

yup, breakdown was about as good, those were the two songs i was talking about when my best friend/fellow prince fanatic was given a chip with 99 percent of prince's catalogue, i told him 'there are a couple songs on aoa that are about as good as anything he ever did".

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

laytonian said: Prince(r.i.p.) wasn’t that old he was only just in his 50’s.

the 50's is more than old enough to detect how aging will go, I mentioned james brown and his losing his mind over not being able to do the splits, I could see prince being like that, as well as losing his looks, that had to be devestating. People get funny about age, I used to mention age when I was around fighters, then in my mid 30's and "old" for an athlete, some asshole would always take offense to that, sensitive pricks that they were. Even when I wasn't addressing them. 35 is old for a fighter, finished for most, these days the only reason some of them can hang is because the herd is thinned out.

Black don't crack! Prince(r.i.p.) looked 20 years his junior.

JB did the the splits up until he passed away. He NEVER stopped.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

the 50's is more than old enough to detect how aging will go, I mentioned james brown and his losing his mind over not being able to do the splits, I could see prince being like that, as well as losing his looks, that had to be devestating. People get funny about age, I used to mention age when I was around fighters, then in my mid 30's and "old" for an athlete, some asshole would always take offense to that, sensitive pricks that they were. Even when I wasn't addressing them. 35 is old for a fighter, finished for most, these days the only reason some of them can hang is because the herd is thinned out.

Black don't crack! Prince(r.i.p.) looked 20 years his junior.

JB did the the splits up until he passed away. He NEVER stopped.

Prince looked his age. Sans makeup, dude looked 57 etc. WITH makeup, he looked like a 57 year old wearing makeup. Not saying he didnt look good still. But 20 years his junior? Please stop posting, ypu waste internet bandwith since you always post nonsense.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

the 50's is more than old enough to detect how aging will go, I mentioned james brown and his losing his mind over not being able to do the splits, I could see prince being like that, as well as losing his looks, that had to be devestating. People get funny about age, I used to mention age when I was around fighters, then in my mid 30's and "old" for an athlete, some asshole would always take offense to that, sensitive pricks that they were. Even when I wasn't addressing them. 35 is old for a fighter, finished for most, these days the only reason some of them can hang is because the herd is thinned out.

Black don't crack! Prince(r.i.p.) looked 20 years his junior.

JB did the the splits up until he passed away. He NEVER stopped.

no he didn't, his wife said he had to spend two days in bed when he last tried it. and prince looked great most of the time, his last years were catching up to him. unlike little richard or chuck berry who looked fantastic most of their old years.

rdhull said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Black don't crack! Prince(r.i.p.) looked 20 years his junior.

JB did the the splits up until he passed away. He NEVER stopped.

Prince looked his age. Sans makeup, dude looked 57 etc. WITH makeup, he looked like a 57 year old wearing makeup. Not saying he didnt look good still. But 20 years his junior? Please stop posting, ypu waste internet bandwith since you always post nonsense.

I wish Prince(r.i.p.) knew the type of person U REALLY were before U were invited to his 3121 house party.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rdhull said:

Prince looked his age. Sans makeup, dude looked 57 etc. WITH makeup, he looked like a 57 year old wearing makeup. Not saying he didnt look good still. But 20 years his junior? Please stop posting, ypu waste internet bandwith since you always post nonsense.

I wish Prince(r.i.p.) knew the type of person U REALLY were before U were invited to his 3121 house party.

What kind of person am I?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wish Prince(r.i.p.) knew the type of person U REALLY were before U were invited to his 3121 house party.

And I dont know wtf you are talking about 3121 party?

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