eugenius said:

Why do the gatekeepers/mods feel like they have to keep his user names a secret at this point? The power-lording around here is ridiculous sometimes.

because it's the org. now quiet or you shall be banished forever.

eugenius said:

DarkKnight1 said:

I cant think of a more toxic place for him to visit than here. If he ever did, hopefully it was in short bursts, and then he took a nice long shower.

I think I had read in the investigation docs that one of the associates stated he would come here to look for reviews/reactions to his shows and/or releases. If he did, I'm sure he surfed on other threads as well

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Makes me think of his LA Musicology show in 2004 when he was playing his acoustic set and during the song Forever In My Life he said,

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"Real players don't have names. Instead they got titles. Real players...real players are just idolized by the fake players who seek idols. Real players don't have money cuz money don't make them. Past women in their life are just talk for other men. Trapped in debate over which one of them women are the finest. Real players refer to their women as "your highness". Besides, real players don't have time to play girls, cuz uh, they're too busy changin' the world. And all who don't believe are just squirrels."

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The bolded part above makes me think of all the past threads about which of his "women" were the hottest and/or which one he loved the most Seems he most likely read some of those too...

**Found one of the many "who was Prince's hottest woman" threads from 2004

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http://prince.org/msg/5/93200?&pg=1

[Edited 4/30/19 16:26pm]

god love him but he loved playing with women, one of his less than stellar traits. Anyway, it's very strange or maybe that's why, a controlling person like that would look at a site like this. I've never heard of springsteen or michael or anyone really caring what everyday people were talking about.

violetcrush said:

DarkKnight1 said:

I cant think of a more toxic place for him to visit than here. If he ever did, hopefully it was in short bursts, and then he took a nice long shower.

I think I had read in the investigation docs that one of the associates stated he would come here to look for reviews/reactions to his shows and/or releases. If he did, I'm sure he surfed on other threads as well

*

Makes me think of his LA Musicology show in 2004 when he was playing his acoustic set and during the song Forever In My Life he said,

*

"Real players don't have names. Instead they got titles. Real players...real players are just idolized by the fake players who seek idols. Real players don't have money cuz money don't make them. Past women in their life are just talk for other men. Trapped in debate over which one of them women are the finest. Real players refer to their women as "your highness". Besides, real players don't have time to play girls, cuz uh, they're too busy changin' the world. And all who don't believe are just squirrels."

*

The bolded part above makes me think of all the past threads about which of his "women" were the hottest and/or which one he loved the most Seems he most likely read some of those too...

**Found one of the many "who was Prince's hottest woman" threads from 2004

*

http://prince.org/msg/5/93200?&pg=1

[Edited 4/30/19 16:26pm]

PeteSilas said:

DarkKnight1 said:

I cant think of a more toxic place for him to visit than here. If he ever did, hopefully it was in short bursts, and then he took a nice long shower.

ya, he couldn't do shit right according to these assholes, I'm still angry about that. The people here just waited, rubbing their palms together, for whatever his next move would be so they could find fault with it. Never understood his "fans", people dislike elvis or springsteen but you don't see them hanging out on fan sites dedicated to those men.

I always see this sentiment expressed, but honestly I've been visiting various superfan artist/band forums since before I was a teen and literally every single one is hypercritical of the artist's work after, say, the first ten years of their career. The Org is pretty standard "fan" fare in that regard.

WhisperingDandelions said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, he couldn't do shit right according to these assholes, I'm still angry about that. The people here just waited, rubbing their palms together, for whatever his next move would be so they could find fault with it. Never understood his "fans", people dislike elvis or springsteen but you don't see them hanging out on fan sites dedicated to those men.

I always see this sentiment expressed, but honestly I've been visiting various superfan artist/band forums since before I was a teen and literally every single one is hypercritical of the artist's work after, say, the first ten years of their career. The Org is pretty standard "fan" fare in that regard.

this bad? I don't know. You're right to an extent, Elvis' fans said his stuff in the sixties sucked but you don't find them riding his shit on current boards, maybe because he's dead, on the mj forums they didn't treat him that bad, springsteen they didn't either. One thing is common though, fans do act like they own an artist, like they know what's best for them, that part is universal. Really, if any star listened to any fans, they'd just end up confused because the opinions are all over the place. Springsteen is solo (again) and I'm sure some of his fans have something to say about that but he's a grown man, he can do what he wants and we don't have to buy the stuff if we don't want. The idea that they owe much more than that to us I think is immature. Not to say they are above criticism and should only be fawned over, not saying that at all. but the shit on here was so petty and relentless that I took action and got my asshole banned.

PeteSilas said:

kewlschool said:

He just sent a message that he appreciated my appreciation of him, essentially. I think he liked how I responded to the negative people who tried to derail the thread. I request that people only post positive messages and no back handed compliments. Yet, that didn't stop people from being negative. I handle the situation with care and of course no name calling.

what was his handle? or is/was that privileged info? the fucker never thanked me and i got booted off defending him.

It was once and I don't remember. I wasn't going to give it out. (Even if I did remember.) I believed he changed names on the org.

PeteSilas said:

DarkKnight1 said:

I cant think of a more toxic place for him to visit than here. If he ever did, hopefully it was in short bursts, and then he took a nice long shower.

ya, he couldn't do shit right according to these assholes, I'm still angry about that. The people here just waited, rubbing their palms together, for whatever his next move would be so they could find fault with it. Never understood his "fans", people dislike elvis or springsteen but you don't see them hanging out on fan sites dedicated to those men.

Sometimes I think those "fans" are just MJ stans in disguise.

PeteSilas said:

eugenius said:

Why do the gatekeepers/mods feel like they have to keep his user names a secret at this point? The power-lording around here is ridiculous sometimes.

Confidentiality

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

god love him but he loved playing with women, one of his less than stellar traits. Anyway, it's very strange or maybe that's why, a controlling person like that would look at a site like this. I've never heard of springsteen or michael or anyone really caring what everyday people were talking about.

Yeah, he lost me at the point where he says “real players don’t have time to play women..”. Bahhaaahaa Clearly he was not always an honest man * He also had a hefty dose of narcissism in him, which would cause him to want to know what people were saying about him and his music. He always said he never cared about that, but I don’t think he was honest about that either.

well, you know they say schizoid people (about all rockstars, not just Prince) are aloof and hypersensitive at the same time, he certainly was bugged by critics "not getting" him. No one likes criticism but it really seemed to irk him, sometimes I wonder how he'd like to try some of the criticism i get on for size, and I don't get paid being a musician, people are just mean, you pretty much have to come to terms with that, which is hard for all of us.

I remember posting this back in 2014. I can't help but wonder if Prince took my advice.

"I love Ida, but Prince needs to hire MonoNeon. He could be to Prince what Bootsy was for James Brown. I'm going to keep repping this guy, because its ridiculous that someone this talented and adventurous is going unnoticed."

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=3 under reply #81

[Edited 4/30/19 20:45pm]

luv4u said:

PeteSilas said:

I'm still angry about that. The people here just waited, rubbing their palms together, for whatever his next move would be so they could find fault with it.

One thing is common though, fans do act like they own an artist, like they know what's best for them

Yeah it could be really harsh sometimes, it used to upset me a lot. Some people clearly had an agenda, acted like Prince had done soemthing horrible to them personally, and had vowed to destroy his reputation both an a person and as an artist.

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I remember at some point we had one new "Prince is over and done" thread a week, sometimes with 2 or 3 of then running on the front page at the same time and it was like people were sitting and wondering "OK, how am I going to rephrase it today so I can make a new thread about the same thing without the mods considering it a dupe?".

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Very, very sad

databank said:

violetcrush said:

databank said:

Yeah it could be really harsh sometimes, it used to upset me a lot. Some people clearly had an agenda, acted like Prince had done soemthing horrible to them personally, and had vowed to destroy his reputation both an a person and as an artist.

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I remember at some point we had one new "Prince is over and done" thread a week, sometimes with 2 or 3 of then running on the front page at the same time and it was like people were sitting and wondering "OK, how am I going to rephrase it today so I can make a new thread about the same thing without the mods considering it a dupe?".

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Very, very sad

Was this around the 1999-2001 time period? That was a rough patch for him.

More like 2013-2014

WhisperingDandelions said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, he couldn't do shit right according to these assholes, I'm still angry about that. The people here just waited, rubbing their palms together, for whatever his next move would be so they could find fault with it. Never understood his "fans", people dislike elvis or springsteen but you don't see them hanging out on fan sites dedicated to those men.

I always see this sentiment expressed, but honestly I've been visiting various superfan artist/band forums since before I was a teen and literally every single one is hypercritical of the artist's work after, say, the first ten years of their career. The Org is pretty standard "fan" fare in that regard.

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Agreed. I have a couple other fan obsessions, and when I go to those forums I see the same things as here.

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With that said, I don't mind some negativity. People should no more blindly love everything than blindly hate everything. The beaufy ot Prince's music is that it was so eclectic and diverse. There are bound to be songs you love and bound to those you hate. That's what makes his catelogue great.

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Tame

Dimitri10 said:

luv4u said:

Confidentiality

Something put in place back then? Or by the estate now?

No. All org user account are confidential.

connorhawke said:

Tame

Oh hell nawwwwwww! That one was cray cray

luv4u said:

Dimitri10 said:

luv4u said: Something put in place back then? Or by the estate now?

No. All org user account are confidential.

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Well, that's one way of looking at it – but another is that most of us here are actually studying this man's work for decades and revealing the screen names he used here would not reveal any of his personal information that we wouldn't already know, while it would provide additional information for our studies.

Monarch said:

eugenius said:

Why do the gatekeepers/mods feel like they have to keep his user names a secret at this point? The power-lording around here is ridiculous sometimes.

It's possible they don't have permission yet. Ok mods may we ask if the org has contacted or has been contacted by the family or estate about this? Has Ben asked?

1. Nothing to do with permission;
2. Family/Estate, nothing to do with family/estate; and
3. He is not going to.

An org account is confidential. Unless you want me to discuss yours with everyone else?

luv4u said:

Monarch said:

eugenius said: It's possible they don't have permission yet. Ok mods may we ask if the org has contacted or has been contacted by the family or estate about this? Has Ben asked?

1. Nothing to do with permission;
2. Family/Estate, nothing to do with family/estate; and
3. He is not going to.

An org account is confidential. Unless you want me to discuss yours with everyone else?

When I'm dead it's OK, you can

WhisperingDandelions said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, he couldn't do shit right according to these assholes, I'm still angry about that. The people here just waited, rubbing their palms together, for whatever his next move would be so they could find fault with it. Never understood his "fans", people dislike elvis or springsteen but you don't see them hanging out on fan sites dedicated to those men.

I always see this sentiment expressed, but honestly I've been visiting various superfan artist/band forums since before I was a teen and literally every single one is hypercritical of the artist's work after, say, the first ten years of their career. The Org is pretty standard "fan" fare in that regard.

I agree. My overarching sentiment is that if you have a tendency to take anythng an anonymous fan says personally, then its best to stay away from all fan sites, boards and social media.

PeteSilas said:

kewlschool said:

He just sent a message that he appreciated my appreciation of him, essentially. I think he liked how I responded to the negative people who tried to derail the thread. I request that people only post positive messages and no back handed compliments. Yet, that didn't stop people from being negative. I handle the situation with care and of course no name calling.

what was his handle? or is/was that privileged info? the fucker never thanked me and i got booted off defending him.

eugenius said:

Why do the gatekeepers/mods feel like they have to keep his user names a secret at this point? The power-lording around here is ridiculous sometimes.

[Edited 5/1/19 9:08am]

he must have read a few of those JW threads.... hhhhmmm

luv4u said:

connorhawke said:

Tame

Oh hell nawwwwwww! That one was cray cray