206Michelle said:

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?

I do. I switched to Tidal about two years ago so that I could have access to more of Prince’s catalogue.

SAME

So is there a version of Sex Shooter with just Prince's vocals on there?

Man, I thought The Screams of Passion was gonna be on there! Ah well. Susannah does it for me anyways

This is a pretty awesome compilation album and I'm grabbing the vinyl for sure. Hopefully they've cleaned the tracks up; this is the first material we'll be hearing since the move to Iron Mountain yeah?

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

Jungle Love and Gigolos Get Lonely Too weren't written for women, IJS.

thedoorkeeper said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I have an interest in hearing them, but i'll likely prefer the Vanity/Sheila/Jill versions. I'm also interested to see where along the recording process they will be, and if they start remixing in parts like they did with Nothing Compares.

Or just plain start using incomplete versions like they did with the Dance Electric and a few others on Purple Rain Deluxe.

Neversin said:

lust said:

Neversin said: And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”

Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.

jaawwnn said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I have an interest in hearing them, but i'll likely prefer the Vanity/Sheila/Jill versions. I'm also interested to see where along the recording process they will be, and if they start remixing in parts like they did with Nothing Compares.

Or just plain start using incomplete versions like they did with the Dance Electric and a few others on Purple Rain Deluxe.

I like the version of Dance Electric on PR Deluxe simply for it beoing Prince's solo verison.

here on Originals they could have used the full version with Wendy and Lisa and guitar solo (the version of that 4 minute sample that leaked earlier this year.)
I would love to have see them make a chronological and complete album tho with only the songs for other non-Prince related artists and leave the Prince related artists tracks like Sex Shooter and the like for a eventual remaster of the Apolonia 6 album. But at least it's something.

databank said:

Neversin said:

Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.

I heared when those 2 albums came out that Prince intentionally put tracks on them that he had no use for when WB rejected them (Zannalee, the Same December and I Like it There he wanted thoise as B-sides for singles of The Gold Experience but WB didn't want that and rejected the idea. That's what I was told.) So he collected and 'finished' the songs where needed and put them on those two records, but intentionally made them a 'bootleg' like collection.

databank said:

Neversin said:

Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.

i have to agree with that. i'm excited for this collection, but it's not really an album, at all.
it's sort of like "crystal ball volume 2, disc 1"

i realised, after my initial excitement that i'm just happy to have these tracks in, we hope,
very good quality so that i can add them to my own era specific playlists.

as an album in it's own right it doesn't make sense, no. especially "Love...Thy Will Be Done"
is out of place here.

a 3 disc set with all the songs he gave to unrelated acts, plus individual songs he gave to
his satellite acts, where there were only 1 or 2 songs on their album, like Elisa, would've
been more sensible.

you'd think this set was designed to appeal to the largest possible audience. but if so, why
not include some more hits instead of, for instance "you're my love" and "make-up"?

there's a lot of questions

but my overall positive emotions toward this set is because right now, it's all they seem to
be willing to release.

oh well. let's hope that in the future we actually get a few albums that prince completed
or thorough anthology sets, even if that means we have to buy these songs twice over.

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.

I heared when those 2 albums came out that Prince intentionally put tracks on them that he had no use for when WB rejected them (Zannalee, the Same December and I Like it There he wanted thoise as B-sides for singles of The Gold Experience but WB didn't want that and rejected the idea. That's what I was told.) So he collected and 'finished' the songs where needed and put them on those two records, but intentionally made them a 'bootleg' like collection.

I had never heard this about b-sides before, interesting. May I ask your source?

If Prince wanted it to be bootleg-like my opinion he totally failed at it. CB was more in line with this kind of spirit (though much carefully sequenced than the songs selection would lead us to believe).

'Come Home', 'I Guess I'm Crazy' and 'If I Love U Tonight' are better than literally any song on that selection.

Crazy thing is Sheila E. owns the royalties and official authorship for Holly Rock. I guess the Estate can get away with saying that Prince composed it since it's true, but I guess they're gonna have to pay her the royalties nonetheless

Impatient 2 discover

Sex Shooter

Noon Rendezvous

Gigolos Get Lonely Too

Dear Michaelangelo

Make-Up

...love these trax....this release is way better than the previous one without a doubt !!

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I strongly disagree. This is a great release. To each their own.

Splanknasty2 said:

'Come Home', 'I Guess I'm Crazy' and 'If I Love U Tonight' are better than literally any song on that selection.

Don't forget 101

Love that one!!!!

Goddess4Real said:

So is there a version of Sex Shooter with just Prince's vocals on there?

Didn't all of his demos start with just his vocals??? Then the protege recorded their vocals.

Here’s the timing of the songs.

1. Sex Shooter (3:06)
2. Jungle Love (3:04)
3. Manic Monday (2:51)
4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)
5. Make-Up (2:27)
6. 100 MPH (3:31)
7. You’re My Love (4:24)
8. Holly Rock (6:39)
9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)
10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)
11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)
12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)
13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)
14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)
15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

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ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

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Found 'Kep Woman'.. a song for Bria Valente...

I honestly don't think that anyone knows it was even done by her, except for (most?) Prince fans.

'Bliss' ? by Kahoru Kohiruimaki (...), the same story I guess just like 'Mind Bells'...

-

Other (more) famous Prince songs written for others imho are:

- Nasty Girl (Vanity 6)

- G-Spot (indeed!!)

- Love Song (Madonna, maybe even 'By Alien Means' but this one is completely unknown to most...)

- The Bird (The Time)

- The Belle Of St.-Mark

- Blue Limousine (Apollonia 6)

etc...

-

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TheSilentMikey said:

Vannormal said:

ElGorillos said:

TheSilentMikey said:

Here’s the timing of the songs.

1. Sex Shooter (3:06)
2. Jungle Love (3:04)
3. Manic Monday (2:51)
4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)
5. Make-Up (2:27)
6. 100 MPH (3:31)
7. You’re My Love (4:24)
8. Holly Rock (6:39)
9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)
10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)
11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)
12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)
13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)
14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)
15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

[Edited 4/27/19 10:37am]

Source? EG

It’s available on PrinceVault. However I didn’t find the exact source of it so I just posted the tracklist. But you can find the tracklist and the timings on Google.

[Edited 4/27/19 10:56am]

Vannormal said:

ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]

-

Found 'Kep Woman'.. a song for Bria Valente...

I honestly don't think that anyone knows it was even done by her, except for (most?) Prince fans.

'Bliss' ? by Kahoru Kohiruimaki (...), the same story I guess just like 'Mind Bells'...

-

Other (more) famous Prince songs written for others imho are:

- Nasty Girl (Vanity 6)

- G-Spot (indeed!!)

- Love Song (Madonna, maybe even 'By Alien Means' but this one is completely unknown to most...)

- The Bird (The Time)

- The Belle Of St.-Mark

- Blue Limousine (Apollonia 6)

etc...

-

[Edited 4/27/19 11:01am]

Love Blue Limousine!! My favorite on the A6 album.

*

Love Song was a co-write and a duet with Prince and Madonna though. Is there a demo with just his vocals on that one??

I've been working on this "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Soooo many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

Spotify: http://bit.ly/WrittenByPrince

Apple Music: https://apple.co/2J03Ozi

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 12:20pm]

databank said:

Crazy thing is Sheila E. owns the royalties and official authorship for Holly Rock. I guess the Estate can get away with saying that Prince composed it since it's true, but I guess they're gonna have to pay her the royalties nonetheless

.

Sheila owns the publishing rights to that song, so as the registered writer, she'll get the royalites for every copy sold and every time it is performed in concert by anyone or every time it's played on the radio, for every copy of a score sold etc.
.
But there's nothing "to get away with" for the Estate, they own Prince's recording of the song and they were free to license it to Warners for a set period of time. Warners will pay the Estate the licence fee for the distribution rights of the recording, and they will pay royalties to Sheila for the publishing righst of the composition for every copy sold.

JoeyLondon said:

I've been working on this, "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Below are links to the playlist on Apple Music and Spotify. So many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

[url=https://open.spotify.com/user/grprink/playlist/1As6yGZ91ovp4BELzlNYZO?si=klNAw46UQc-kUIn6Ad8WYg[/url]

https://itunes.apple.com/...PqDHN7oMae

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

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[Edited 4/27/19 11:56am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:58am]

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Stand Back wasn't written by Prince. He got a part of the publishing as a gesture by Nicks in recognition of being inspired by LRC and using its chord sequence but I wouldn't call it "a song written by Prince".

Thanks! Thought i read that, but wasn't sure. I'l remove.

Kares said:

JoeyLondon said:

I've been working on this, "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Below are links to the playlist on Apple Music and Spotify. So many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

[url=https://open.spotify.com/user/grprink/playlist/1As6yGZ91ovp4BELzlNYZO?si=klNAw46UQc-kUIn6Ad8WYg[/url]

https://itunes.apple.com/...PqDHN7oMae

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 11:53am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:55am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:56am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:58am]

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Stand Back wasn't written by Prince. He got a part of the publishing as a gesture by Nicks in recognition of being inspired by LRC and using its chord sequence but I wouldn't call it "a song written by Prince".