darkroman said:

jaypotton said:

So my 2 pence worth... This is a good release and I am looking forward to it. It could have been better (but my better wouldn't necessarily have been your better).

Ain't that always the truth with Prince releases? Which makes me wonder, we must be due another single disc Emancipation thread...

TheEnglishGent said:

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!

I think even here it's a small minority who want each version of a release, so it's not really exploitative just giving choice. I'll buy the CD and that's it for me.

Same. One can really go overboard and spend a mint collecting every version of a release. There was a time when I would probably count myself in that number. Now, personally, I'm just in it for the music. CD is plenty fine for me.

[Edited 4/25/19 5:44am]

Take my money. All of it.

darkroman said:

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...e_Scotsman

Kares said:

darkroman said:

Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this.

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(I'm not sure I understand what you mean on "to deliver that age of clique"..)

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They meant "age-old cliché", but considering the difference between "then" and "than" was too hard for them to grasp...

Kares said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Luv probably deleted it? They started both threads anyway and this is the one based on the official announcement.

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She started this thread when the other was already at 94 posts, and when I pointed out this was a dupe she deleted my post without a word.

The previous thread served it's purpose but was full of speculation. Now there's an official announcement with proper details it makes sense to have a new clean thread for discussion.

bonatoc said:

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.

Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though

Cheers...

I cannot imagine NOT being excited about this news. A release like this is EXACTLY what the estate should be doing and speaks to the potential of what may be forthcoming.

delirious said:

bonatoc said:

Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though

Cheers...

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I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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scififilmnerd said:

Great news, even though Sugar Walls ain't on it. I'm totally looking forward to this. I suppose the Deluxe CD will be the one to get.

I have a feeling that when they say "and limited edition Deluxe CD+2LP formats will follow" that "Deluxe" could very well mean the CD and the 2LP in one package. I mean, if it was meant as Deluxe CD or Deluxe 2LP, wouldn't the 2LP be more than 2? 3LP maybe?

IstenSzek said:

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!

actually, if you look at this in detail, there's quite a bit we don't have yet:

sex shooter
jungle love
manic monday
noon rendesvouz
make-up
you're my love
holly rock
gigolo's get lonely too


and the others we have in pretty shitty quality, so an upgrade is wonderful.

Agreed! Totally down for this.

Kares said:

delirious said:

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though

Cheers...

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I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

So, assuming we'll get a single, what would y'all want it to be? I'm thinking maybe Manic Monday since the Bangles had such a huge hit with it.

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:

well i'm excited can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is

I'll be ordering the CD on Amazon and streaming it on iTunes. No need to go out to the record store, even if I knew where to find one.

I'll go to the record store, even if it's a couple dollars more, just to support a local business and an independant record store. And for the nostalgia.

Kares said:

delirious said:

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though

Cheers...

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I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

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And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

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I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

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I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

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With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

Kares said:

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!

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You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.

Yeah. Pick your favorite and skip the others. If we had to buy all of them to get all the music (like if they each had a track exclusive from the others), that would be exploitative. As it is, if you collect all versions then cool, you have something to collect, if you don't, no pressure.

darkroman said:

Kares said:

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You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.

Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this.

Additionally the deluxe vinyl + CD version is MORE expensive then buying the CD and vinyl as separate items.

Luckily I can afford such things but many fans can't, particularly at the fast rate of releases this year!

So, fans who don't buy every variation aren't Prince fans?!? Come on, that's silly. Lots of Prince fans don't have one version of every release, much less every version of every release.

I didn't buy the 2018 RSD exclusive 1999 single LP because I have the original UK 1999 single LP. Guess I'm not a Prince fan, huh?

lurker316 said:

Kares said:

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I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

.

And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

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I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

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The Estate wasn't really involved in producing Purple Rain Deluxe and it was done at the time when Warners didn't yet have access to the vault in Paisley Park. Prince only gave them the album itself (remastered, quite badly) a few years earlier, so the rest is what Warners was able to gather from their own copies of mastertapes (for the singles) and cassettes (for the outtakes). That's all they had to work with.
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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

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I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

Because of A/B comparisons between bootleg and official releases and because of the difference in quality between the "vault" releases and... every other official release.

Kares said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

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With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

Like I said, no proof. I will continue to think (notice I said think, not state it as fact) that it's not a coincidence that the studio tapes of virtually all of the "new" songs that we've heard, official or otherwise, since after he announced his new deal with WB are all there, either right beside each other or in close proximity, in the police vault pictures.

Can't wait to crank Holly Rock and Sex Shooter in the Jeep this summer. Just watched the Sex Shooter video to whet my appetite. Forgot about the little storyline. She makes the little tap on the cymbal look absolutely rapturous! Who says she couldn't act?

luv4u said:

Song Title First Released by (Artist: Album – year) Year of Prince’s Recording Included on Originals

1. Sex Shooter Apollonia 6: Apollonia 6 – 1984 1983

2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983

3. Manic Monday The Bangles: Different Light – 1985 1984

4. Noon Rendezvous Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1984

5. Make-Up Vanity 6: Vanity 6 – 1982 1981

6. 100 MPH Mazarati: Mazarati – 1986 1984

7. You’re My Love Kenny Rogers: They Don’t Make Them Like They Used To – 1986 1982

8. Holly Rock Sheila E.: Krush Groove (OST) – 1985 1985

9. Baby, You’re a Trip Jill Jones: Jill Jones – 1987 1982

10. The Glamorous Life Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1983

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too The Time: What Time Is It? – 1982 1982

12. Love… Thy Will Be Done Martika: Martika’s Kitchen – 1991 1991

13. Dear Michaelangelo Sheila E.: Romance 1600 – 1985 1985

14. Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? Taja Sevelle: Taja Sevelle – 1987 1981

15. Nothing Compares 2 U The Family: The Family – 1985 1984

100 MPH, Baby You're A Trip, Love They Will Be Done!!! These 3 excite me the most.

Wonder what Jesse thinks about the inclusion of Jungle Love? Will his writing credit be restored?

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:

i stream just about everything these days, but i just like the excitement of buying a record
like this one in an actual store. i'm 40 years old, so yeah

I certainly understand going to the record store and the excitement that goes with it. I am 50 next year, so had many years of doing just that. But now I like getting home from work and finding it on my doormat, that's exciting to me now.

can't argue with that i'll probably end up getting my copy online, too. i'm sure i won't be able
to hold out for another day before i pre-order it somewhere

Kares said:

lurker316 said:

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Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

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And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

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I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

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The Estate wasn't really involved in producing Purple Rain Deluxe and it was done at the time when Warners didn't yet have access to the vault in Paisley Park. Prince only gave them the album itself (remastered, quite badly) a few years earlier, so the rest is what Warners was able to gather from their own copies of mastertapes (for the singles) and cassettes (for the outtakes). That's all they had to work with.
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More speculation passed as fact. Unless you worked on Purple Rain Deluxe or have had a conversation with someone that did you don't know what WB had to work with.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

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With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

Like I said, no proof. I will continue to think (notice I said think, not state it as fact) that it's not a coincidence that the studio tapes of virtually all of the "new" songs that we've heard, official or otherwise, since after he announced his new deal with WB are all there, either right beside each other or in close proximity, in the police vault pictures.

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Like I said, it's proof FOR ME. I've no intention to convince you.
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But I don't know what you mean on that "it's no coincidence" that all the new songs are there next to each other? Are they? (Pls see the Vault database files in my signature, it contains all the titles I could read from the police photos.) And what are you implying?