Imagine the fun we'd have!!!

Pouring, endlessly, over the pages like scribes divining hidden holy texts just discovered!!

This document has got to exist, right? Why not throw us a bone and release it?

It would help sustain pithced enthusiasm among the fanbase.

"What song is this? In 1981 he recorded something called 'Feast Or Famin' and it is 7:34 long and

also has a 3:24 'single edit'!!!"

soladeo1 said:

Imagine the fun we'd have!!!

Pouring, endlessly, over the pages like scribes divining hidden holy texts just discovered!!

This document has got to exist, right? Why not throw us a bone and release it?

It would help sustain pithced enthusiasm among the fanbase.

"What song is this? In 1981 he recorded something called 'Feast Or Famin' and it is 7:34 long and

also has a 3:24 'single edit'!!!"

soladeo1 said:

Imagine the fun we'd have!!!

Pouring, endlessly, over the pages like scribes divining hidden holy texts just discovered!!

This document has got to exist, right? Why not throw us a bone and release it?

It would help sustain pithced enthusiasm among the fanbase.

"What song is this? In 1981 he recorded something called 'Feast Or Famin' and it is 7:34 long and

also has a 3:24 'single edit'!!!"

This should be made public for free whenever established (and I don't think it's the case yet), but I wonder if the Estate's best marketing interest is to do this and have us salivate over what's to be released or maintain the mystery.

Opinions?

Top-secret proprietary information, only!

The problem is what is a song and what is not a song? There are probably many that he started and didn't finish or just got halfway down or quarter way into it. Or songs that he sang in rehearsals that weren't recorded otherwise, etc, etc. But some kind of list would be better than nothing.

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I've been thinking of making one myself. My idea is to copy-and-paste the full song list from Prince Vault into a spreadsheet. There would be some formatting issues to resolve, but I enjoy the challenge of messing around with Excel

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I think the master song list on Prince vault excludes cover songs that appeared on his albums, such as One of Us and Everyday is Winding Road. (Prince Vault does have entries for those songs, but they are seperate from the master list since the master list is suppose to represent Prince compositions). But it wouldn't be too hard to manually enter those.

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databank said:

soladeo1 said:

Imagine the fun we'd have!!!

Pouring, endlessly, over the pages like scribes divining hidden holy texts just discovered!!

This document has got to exist, right? Why not throw us a bone and release it?

It would help sustain pithced enthusiasm among the fanbase.

"What song is this? In 1981 he recorded something called 'Feast Or Famin' and it is 7:34 long and

also has a 3:24 'single edit'!!!"

This should be made public for free whenever established (and I don't think it's the case yet), but I wonder if the Estate's best marketing interest is to do this and have us salivate over what's to be released or maintain the mystery.

Opinions?

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First of all: I think that full cataloging of the vault (including every multitrack, mixdown, rehearsal, live recording as well as every film reel, every video tape, every single HDD, CD-R, DAT, memory card or any other formats) will take a few more YEARS until it's done, especially as it requires listening/reviewing of the material, not just blindly trusting and copying whatever's written on the box. Professional cataloging also requires tons of research and evaluation (both technical and artistic) otherwise you won't know what you have, where does a certain piece fits in the big puzzle and whether or not it is something worthy of ever being released.
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Whether the Estate would ever publish such a list or at least provide controlled viewing of it for academic studies – I'm afraid they wouldn't. They would most probably think that it would hurt their business, but they'd be wrong in thinking that. Prince's legacy is so unbelievably vast that his Estate doesn't need to worry about running out of material worthy of publication and they don't need to come up with fake, posthumous material using fragments of unfinished tracks Prince left behind.
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I'm sure they wouldn't agree with me but they absolutely should lay their cards on the table and publish an official, full catalog of everything Prince ever composed, created or just played. Such a catalog would elevate Prince's legacy into the realms of the greatest and most prolific musicians/composers ever lived, it would draw a huge attention to Prince from scholars, teachers and music lovers all around the world, it would firmly place him where he belongs: way above his current status as "the Purple Rain singer". Needless to say, all this extra attention and appreciation would also boost the Estate's profits and would provide them with a steady, really strong income for a hundred years.
.

Kares said:

databank said:

This should be made public for free whenever established (and I don't think it's the case yet), but I wonder if the Estate's best marketing interest is to do this and have us salivate over what's to be released or maintain the mystery.

Opinions?

.
First of all: I think that full cataloging of the vault (including every multitrack, mixdown, rehearsal, live recording as well as every film reel, every video tape, every single HDD, CD-R, DAT, memory card or any other formats) will take a few more YEARS until it's done, especially as it requires listening/reviewing of the material, not just blindly trusting and copying whatever's written on the box. Professional cataloging also requires tons of research and evaluation (both technical and artistic) otherwise you won't know what you have, where does a certain piece fits in the big puzzle and whether or not it is something worthy of ever being released.
.
Whether the Estate would ever publish such a list or at least provide controlled viewing of it for academic studies – I'm afraid they wouldn't. They would most probably think that it would hurt their business, but they'd be wrong in thinking that. Prince's legacy is so unbelievably vast that his Estate doesn't need to worry about running out of material worthy of publication and they don't need to come up with fake, posthumous material using fragments of unfinished tracks Prince left behind.
.
I'm sure they wouldn't agree with me but they absolutely should lay their cards on the table and publish an official, full catalog of everything Prince ever composed, created or just played. Such a catalog would elevate Prince's legacy into the realms of the greatest and most prolific musicians/composers ever lived, it would draw a huge attention to Prince from scholars, teachers and music lovers all around the world, it would firmly place him where he belongs: way above his current status as "the Purple Rain singer". Needless to say, all this extra attention and appreciation would also boost the Estate's profits and would provide them with a steady, really strong income for a hundred years.
.

Because of the reasons stated in Kares 1st paragraph, is why I believe this information would not be distributed freely. Perhaps halting bits, or limited as a precursor to assembling new recordings for sale, but it is too valuable to just share away.

>

As far as people realizing the value of Prince's breadth of recordings, only time may potentially bring that to light. Critics couldn't hear the the guy's brilliance from what he published while alive, so it could take more generations-worth of listening and deciding.

Germanegro said:

Kares said:

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First of all: I think that full cataloging of the vault (including every multitrack, mixdown, rehearsal, live recording as well as every film reel, every video tape, every single HDD, CD-R, DAT, memory card or any other formats) will take a few more YEARS until it's done, especially as it requires listening/reviewing of the material, not just blindly trusting and copying whatever's written on the box. Professional cataloging also requires tons of research and evaluation (both technical and artistic) otherwise you won't know what you have, where does a certain piece fits in the big puzzle and whether or not it is something worthy of ever being released.
.
Whether the Estate would ever publish such a list or at least provide controlled viewing of it for academic studies – I'm afraid they wouldn't. They would most probably think that it would hurt their business, but they'd be wrong in thinking that. Prince's legacy is so unbelievably vast that his Estate doesn't need to worry about running out of material worthy of publication and they don't need to come up with fake, posthumous material using fragments of unfinished tracks Prince left behind.
.
I'm sure they wouldn't agree with me but they absolutely should lay their cards on the table and publish an official, full catalog of everything Prince ever composed, created or just played. Such a catalog would elevate Prince's legacy into the realms of the greatest and most prolific musicians/composers ever lived, it would draw a huge attention to Prince from scholars, teachers and music lovers all around the world, it would firmly place him where he belongs: way above his current status as "the Purple Rain singer". Needless to say, all this extra attention and appreciation would also boost the Estate's profits and would provide them with a steady, really strong income for a hundred years.
.

Because of the reasons stated in Kares 1st paragraph, is why I believe this information would not be distributed freely. Perhaps halting bits, or limited as a precursor to assembling new recordings for sale, but it is too valuable to just share away.

>

As far as people realizing the value of Prince's breadth of recordings, only time may potentially bring that to light. Critics couldn't hear the the guy's brilliance from what he published while alive, so it could take more generations-worth of listening and deciding.

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The thing is: there are very few critics out there who know what they're talking about. Most so-called critics are just clueless journalists writing for some mag and their articles get quoted and reposted without peer review.
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Musicians did/do hear the guy's brilliance, but even a lot of the musicians are simply unaware of how Prince worked/created. A lot of people who like Prince's music simply assume that most of it was put together the way most other big star's records are made: by using ghost writers, session musicians, paying some hotshot producer and spending MONTHS in the studio, punching in parts endlessly, copy-pasting bars of recordings on the screen like they were LEGO bricks.
A lot of people are unaware that Prince was capable of writing AND recording 2-3 songs a day on his own, which is almost totally unheard of in the music business. That's why I'm saying that whenever an official and complete catalog of his works is compiled by the Estate, publishing it (or at least allowing researchers, scholars to view it) would greatly help elevating Prince onto a whole new level of public recognition.
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Kares said:

databank said:

This should be made public for free whenever established (and I don't think it's the case yet), but I wonder if the Estate's best marketing interest is to do this and have us salivate over what's to be released or maintain the mystery.

Opinions?

.
First of all: I think that full cataloging of the vault (including every multitrack, mixdown, rehearsal, live recording as well as every film reel, every video tape, every single HDD, CD-R, DAT, memory card or any other formats) will take a few more YEARS until it's done, especially as it requires listening/reviewing of the material, not just blindly trusting and copying whatever's written on the box. Professional cataloging also requires tons of research and evaluation (both technical and artistic) otherwise you won't know what you have, where does a certain piece fits in the big puzzle and whether or not it is something worthy of ever being released.
.
Whether the Estate would ever publish such a list or at least provide controlled viewing of it for academic studies – I'm afraid they wouldn't. They would most probably think that it would hurt their business, but they'd be wrong in thinking that. Prince's legacy is so unbelievably vast that his Estate doesn't need to worry about running out of material worthy of publication and they don't need to come up with fake, posthumous material using fragments of unfinished tracks Prince left behind.
.
I'm sure they wouldn't agree with me but they absolutely should lay their cards on the table and publish an official, full catalog of everything Prince ever composed, created or just played. Such a catalog would elevate Prince's legacy into the realms of the greatest and most prolific musicians/composers ever lived, it would draw a huge attention to Prince from scholars, teachers and music lovers all around the world, it would firmly place him where he belongs: way above his current status as "the Purple Rain singer". Needless to say, all this extra attention and appreciation would also boost the Estate's profits and would provide them with a steady, really strong income for a hundred years.
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Kares has a pretty good list linked in her signature.

PennyPurple said:

Kares said:

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First of all: I think that full cataloging of the vault (including every multitrack, mixdown, rehearsal, live recording as well as every film reel, every video tape, every single HDD, CD-R, DAT, memory card or any other formats) will take a few more YEARS until it's done, especially as it requires listening/reviewing of the material, not just blindly trusting and copying whatever's written on the box. Professional cataloging also requires tons of research and evaluation (both technical and artistic) otherwise you won't know what you have, where does a certain piece fits in the big puzzle and whether or not it is something worthy of ever being released.
.
Whether the Estate would ever publish such a list or at least provide controlled viewing of it for academic studies – I'm afraid they wouldn't. They would most probably think that it would hurt their business, but they'd be wrong in thinking that. Prince's legacy is so unbelievably vast that his Estate doesn't need to worry about running out of material worthy of publication and they don't need to come up with fake, posthumous material using fragments of unfinished tracks Prince left behind.
.
I'm sure they wouldn't agree with me but they absolutely should lay their cards on the table and publish an official, full catalog of everything Prince ever composed, created or just played. Such a catalog would elevate Prince's legacy into the realms of the greatest and most prolific musicians/composers ever lived, it would draw a huge attention to Prince from scholars, teachers and music lovers all around the world, it would firmly place him where he belongs: way above his current status as "the Purple Rain singer". Needless to say, all this extra attention and appreciation would also boost the Estate's profits and would provide them with a steady, really strong income for a hundred years.
.

Kares has a pretty good list linked in her signature.

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Thanks, but as I've explained on the first page of the spreadsheet, what I could read from the blurry police photos is just a tiny fraction of the contents of the vault(s).
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(I'm a guy, btw.)

Kares said:

PennyPurple said:

Kares has a pretty good list linked in her signature.

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Thanks, but as I've explained on the first page of the spreadsheet, what I could read from the blurry police photos is just a tiny fraction of the contents of the vault(s).
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(I'm a guy, btw.)

Sorry. Kares just reminds me of Karen I guess.

PennyPurple said:

Kares said:

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Thanks, but as I've explained on the first page of the spreadsheet, what I could read from the blurry police photos is just a tiny fraction of the contents of the vault(s).
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(I'm a guy, btw.)

Sorry. Kares just reminds me of Karen I guess.

No worries

Kares said:

PennyPurple said:

Kares has a pretty good list linked in her signature.

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Thanks, but as I've explained on the first page of the spreadsheet, what I could read from the blurry police photos is just a tiny fraction of the contents of the vault(s).
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(I'm a guy, btw.)

That spreadsheet is AWESOME!!! I've poured over it for hours!!!

soladeo1 said:

Kares said:

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Thanks, but as I've explained on the first page of the spreadsheet, what I could read from the blurry police photos is just a tiny fraction of the contents of the vault(s).
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(I'm a guy, btw.)

That spreadsheet is AWESOME!!! I've poured over it for hours!!!

Interesting list. Huge time gaps. Not that much in the 90s. Very little in the 2000s. And it sounded like Prince had almost every show video'd. Where is all of that?! So many questions!

pdiddy2011 said:

soladeo1 said:

That spreadsheet is AWESOME!!! I've poured over it for hours!!!

Interesting list. Huge time gaps. Not that much in the 90s. Very little in the 2000s. And it sounded like Prince had almost every show video'd. Where is all of that?! So many questions!

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Please read the first page of the spreadsheet. Thanks.

Kares said:

soladeo1 said:

It would help sustain pithced enthusiasm among the fanbase.

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How long have you been using that stuff?

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Knowledge is power.

So they'll never share this info.

It would give insights into their jewels and less favorable materials.

It would show us how little of this stuf they are releasing.

IMO, the only things that the general public will care much about Prince are the music and songs that they enjoy hearing, and the rest of the artist's reputation will blow in the wind. A list of volumes of music in the can is merely a big wish-list to those of interest--people visiting here definitely want to see that!

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Even before people would take their first listen to Prince's music there would be many storefront critics with a large-enough bandwidth for their subjective criticisms to influence disinterest in some of the albums that Prince had the opportunity to publish in his day, for whatever motivations; their truth, their ego, or killers of a dream. The progression of time and new audience exposure can diffuse those bygone expressions.

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Touting the unpublished stuff for people to understand the depth of Prince's productiveness might make a dent in public awareness toward the guy's talent. I don't mean to plead a case for obstruction to the estate presenting such a publication, but his talent is also plainly exhibited in the album credits that are already here to see in that ubiquitous line "composed, performed, and produced by Prince." If people can't understand from that, I can't really speak toward a big list cementing or elevating his greatness in the minds of the masses. I guess people might say "whoah he recorded a lot of stuff" upon the glance that they would give such a thing.

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While Prince was with us I would be amazed at how even people on the Org (!) would question why he would demand top-dollar upfront payments whenever he'd shop a licence/distribution deal for the self-produced works that defined the indie phase of his career. He knew the high worth of what he was bringing to the table. It was always strange to me how some people on his own fan site couldn't at least recognize the face value of the work.

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At any rate, at least one researcher has presented a true and thorough exposure of the man's greatness. Duane Tudhal outlines Prince's brilliance in his book covering the 1983-84 phase of his career. People can readily find that text, read it to help their understanding, and extrapolate from that if that's the only volume that we get for a while, ITGAD.

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Kares said:

Germanegro said:

Because of the reasons stated in Kares 1st paragraph, is why I believe this information would not be distributed freely. Perhaps halting bits, or limited as a precursor to assembling new recordings for sale, but it is too valuable to just share away.

>

As far as people realizing the value of Prince's breadth of recordings, only time may potentially bring that to light. Critics couldn't hear the the guy's brilliance from what he published while alive, so it could take more generations-worth of listening and deciding.

.
The thing is: there are very few critics out there who know what they're talking about. Most so-called critics are just clueless journalists writing for some mag and their articles get quoted and reposted without peer review.
.
Musicians did/do hear the guy's brilliance, but even a lot of the musicians are simply unaware of how Prince worked/created. A lot of people who like Prince's music simply assume that most of it was put together the way most other big star's records are made: by using ghost writers, session musicians, paying some hotshot producer and spending MONTHS in the studio, punching in parts endlessly, copy-pasting bars of recordings on the screen like they were LEGO bricks.
A lot of people are unaware that Prince was capable of writing AND recording 2-3 songs a day on his own, which is almost totally unheard of in the music business. That's why I'm saying that whenever an official and complete catalog of his works is compiled by the Estate, publishing it (or at least allowing researchers, scholars to view it) would greatly help elevating Prince onto a whole new level of public recognition.
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Doesn't the song list at http://princevault.com/in..._song_list help get some people started?

I guess the topic started did not really think about their idea of paying for some info before posting it here.