laytonian said:

MoodyBlumes said:

"So far, administrators have spent $45 million, including $10 million in legal fees, the heirs claim in documents. "

https://www.usatoday.com/...344038002/

Comerica rebutted that $45 million figure in a detailed analysis. You can easily find it in the estate documents.

Great, no need to be concerned then. Why not post the link if it's easy... I posted my source document.

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

[Folks - to discuss Kim Berry's book ............ please use https://prince.org/msg/5/459112.

Let's keep this thread on track. It's to do with what's going on with the Estate in the Minnesota Courts.]

laytonian said:

MoodyBlumes said:

So is the issue the investigation or the sales of t shirts? Amazon is brimming with Prince paraphenalia, so unless the estate shuts down everyone, I don't see why Chazz should be singled out. He is actually Prince's family.

[Edited 5/27/19 14:48pm]

He still has no right to steal intellectual property.

He does not agree that he is stealing. He should find comfort in these developments:

https://kstp.com/news/law...885/?cat=1

[Edited 5/29/19 18:58pm]

MoodyBlumes said:

laytonian said:

He still has no right to steal intellectual property.

He does not agree that he is stealing. He should find comfort in these developments:

https://kstp.com/news/law...885/?cat=1

[Edited 5/29/19 18:58pm]

That's fantastic news, and about damn time.

Oh boo hoo KJ join the club.

From the article that you linked:

"This was a traumatic event for my client," Johnson's attorney F. Clayton Tyler said following Wednesday's deposition. "He feels very sad over the loss of a good friend of his. To have to come back and go through this and re-litigate this whole matter has been very difficult."

Yes good news indeed. Who's up for questioning next I wonder...

PennyPurple said:

MoodyBlumes said:

That's fantastic news, and about damn time.

Oh boo hoo KJ join the club.

From the article that you linked:

"This was a traumatic event for my client," Johnson's attorney F. Clayton Tyler said following Wednesday's deposition. "He feels very sad over the loss of a good friend of his. To have to come back and go through this and re-litigate this whole matter has been very difficult."

[Edited 5/29/19 19:40pm]

MoodyBlumes said:

Yes good news indeed. Who's up for questioning next I wonder...

PennyPurple said:

[Edited 5/29/19 19:40pm]

Hopefully Meron

MoodyBlumes said:

luv4u said:

Hearsay


Def.

What does Hearsay mean?

noun. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no attention to hearsay. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.

"So far, administrators have spent $45 million, including $10 million in legal fees, the heirs claim in documents. "

https://www.usatoday.com/...344038002/

At least Jay Z is promoting Prince in a royal fashion... "a series of listening events across the globe"

https://variety.com/2019/...203227567/

Thank you Jay.

What parts of this site are not "gained or aquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge."?

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Lawdy, I want a copy of that deposition.
I bet there is nothing in there that helps their case.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Lawdy, I want a copy of that deposition.
I bet there is nothing in there that helps their case.

I'll bet you're right

One of the failures of the Estate is that of all the classic albums one can obtain high resolution audio but not of e.g. The Gold Experience.

How hard can it be to license this audio to the usual outlets?

Q.e.d.

How many more years till the Estate gets all sorted out? Take a guess?

udo said:

One of the failures of the Estate is that of all the classic albums one can obtain high resolution audio but not of e.g. The Gold Experience.

How hard can it be to license this audio to the usual outlets?

Q.e.d.

Only 'For You' to 'Parade' were released in 24bit, plus 'Art Official Age', 'Plectrum Electrum' and 'Piano & A Microphone 1983'. So hardly "ALL" the classic albums.

They are not going to spend a cent on creating new masters only to put them out on HDTracks.

luv4u said:

How many more years till the Estate gets all sorted out? Take a guess?

Long time.....

James Brown's Estate is still open 12 1/2 years after his death.

Are the heirs able to get they're hands on any income from the estate or Prince's liscensing agreements?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

luv4u said:

How many more years till the Estate gets all sorted out? Take a guess?

Long time.....

James Brown's Estate is still open 12 1/2 years after his death.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

luv4u said:

How many more years till the Estate gets all sorted out? Take a guess?

Long time.....

James Brown's Estate is still open 12 1/2 years after his death.

Yep, completely agree with you. Given the heir's lack of knowledge about all of this, it may be the best possible outcome.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

luv4u said:

How many more years till the Estate gets all sorted out? Take a guess?

Long time.....

James Brown's Estate is still open 12 1/2 years after his death.

It would take less time if they focused on keeping Prince's fans and attracting a new generation (the music, live performances, quality merch which can be easily shipped worldwide). Grandly (in a Princely fashion) celebrate the big occasions like Batman's 30th anniversary (many loved that #1 album)... Fans have repeatedly said they would buy directly from the estate, but are forced to go elsewhere when items are not available, of poor quality, high costs and long timelines for shipping internationally, etc.

Use the Prince community who are eager to help... expert fans who spend a huge amount of their own personal time crafting high quality eduational videos. Stop shutting these people down, instead encourage them to show Prince's work and music, or at the very least create a site they can direct people to. Prince has left the building... his legacy needs all the help it can get. Trademarking the color purple at an enormous cost, instead of making money by putting out '21 Nights in London' is negligence imho. Prince was a genius songwriter, one of the greatest live performers and musicians ever, did the impossible as a diminutive black man in a very white Minnesota... so many ways to promote and celebrate his amazing legacy.

Rev said:

Are the heirs able to get they're hands on any income from the estate or Prince's liscensing agreements?

Income? Income? Playoffs? Playoffs? What?

By the time this is all sorted out, the fans who care will be dead, or over 80, and won't care. The time for making any money off any reissues or vault material was 2016-18. Damage control might garner some meager profits in the next five or so years, but many of us will still be alive when Paisley Park is torn down, and most, if not all of the assets are sold.

I'd love for PP to be a makeshift studio and museum for Prince, MJ, U2, and other major artists from the 1980's, but with all the legal issues and incompetence from multiple sides, PP will likely either be transformed into something we all don't like, or demolished. Sad.

[Edited 5/30/19 16:14pm]

stillwaiting said:

Rev said:

Are the heirs able to get they're hands on any income from the estate or Prince's liscensing agreements?

Income? Income? Playoffs? Playoffs? What?

By the time this is all sorted out, the fans who care will be dead, or over 80, and won't care. The time for making any money off any reissues or vault material was 2016-18. Damage control might garner some meager profits in the next five or so years, but many of us will still be alive when Paisley Park is torn down, and most, if not all of the assets are sold.

I'd love for PP to be a makeshift studio and museum for Prince, MJ, U2, and other major artists from the 1980's, but with all the legal issues and incompetence from multiple sides, PP will likely either be transformed into something we all don't like, or demolished. Sad.

[Edited 5/30/19 16:14pm]

I hope it won't be demolished but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something other then Paisley Park. It has got to be expensive to keep open.

stillwaiting said:

Only 'For You' to 'Parade' were released in 24bit, plus 'Art Official Age', 'Plectrum Electrum' and 'Piano & A Microphone 1983'. So hardly "ALL" the classic albums.

They are not going to spend a cent on creating new masters only to put them out on HDTracks.

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Creating a 24-bit copy is just leaving out the dithering and shaping to 16-bit.

I need higher samplerates.

Why did they do this to the old albums?

udo said:

Only 'For You' to 'Parade' were released in 24bit, plus 'Art Official Age', 'Plectrum Electrum' and 'Piano & A Microphone 1983'. So hardly "ALL" the classic albums.

They are not going to spend a cent on creating new masters only to put them out on HDTracks.

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Creating a 24-bit copy is just leaving out the dithering and shaping to 16-bit.

I need higher samplerates.

Why did they do this to the old albums?

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Sorry, but you're wrong.

Of course you can convert a 16bit file to 24bit but you won't gain any new information (higher resolution) by doing so. Creating a genuine 24bit file requires going back to the original analog master and transferring it to digital in high resolution.

Now Warners obviously already have 24bit/96kHz copies of all the production masters in their vaults but releasing those would be somewhat unethical, when the real masters (the original 2-track or mixdown tapes) exist too, in Prince's vault.
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'For You' to 'Parade' were remastered for vinyl rereleases by going back to Prince's original masters, and that work produced new 24bit digital masters as well. That rerelease program seems to have been stopped or paused, therefore I think we will only see further HiRes digital releases (starting with 'Sign O' The Times') if and when the Estate and WMG decide to continue the program.

Kares said:

udo said:

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Creating a 24-bit copy is just leaving out the dithering and shaping to 16-bit.

I need higher samplerates.

Why did they do this to the old albums?

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Sorry, but you're wrong.

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No, I expressed myself poorly:

When going to CD the data is dithered down to 16-bit.

By eliminating this step we keep the 24-bits with perhaps a little more audio data.

'For You' to 'Parade' were remastered for vinyl rereleases by going back to Prince's original masters, and that work produced new 24bit digital masters as well. That rerelease program seems to have been stopped or paused, therefore I think we will only see further HiRes digital releases (starting with 'Sign O' The Times') if and when the Estate and WMG decide to continue the program.

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Yes, and that is the failure.

These tapes are all digitized in highres formats.

Simply provide 96 and 192 Khz versions and voila!

No distribution costs, the infrastructure is already there.

Still wrong.

Early CD releases (in the 1980s) were mastered by transferring the analog signal to 16bit digital audio as 24bit wasn't available yet, therefore a lot of titles only have 16bit CD production masters.
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Another thing worth mentioning is that Prince didn't always record to analog tape. He had a Studer DASH recorder too and he's recorded stuff on DASH reels in the '90s. Those are either 16bit/48kHz resolution, or perhaps 20bit/48kHz the most (if he's invested in the optional extra feature). These tapes also need to be archived in 24bit/192kHz before new masters (both 24bit and 16bit) can be created from them.
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As I mentioned though (you've just deleted that part) : Warners obviously already have 24bit/96kHz copies of all the production masters in their vaults but releasing those would be somewhat unethical, when the real masters (the original 2-track or mixdown tapes) exist too, in Prince's vault.

Note that I mentioned 'production masters' and those are not the same as the original mixdown (master) tapes, and vinly production masters also differ from CD production masters and cassette production masters are different too.

Most probably WMG also have copies of Prince's mixdown tapes and obviously they have them archived in 24bit digital formats too – but those are not originals. The originals are in Prince's vault, therefore any HiRes digital audio release should be sourced from the original analog master, not simply by releasing the 24bit backup file of the copy WMG holds.

udo said:

Kares said:

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No, I expressed myself poorly:

When going to CD the data is dithered down to 16-bit.

By eliminating this step we keep the 24-bits with perhaps a little more audio data.

'For You' to 'Parade' were remastered for vinyl rereleases by going back to Prince's original masters, and that work produced new 24bit digital masters as well. That rerelease program seems to have been stopped or paused, therefore I think we will only see further HiRes digital releases (starting with 'Sign O' The Times') if and when the Estate and WMG decide to continue the program.

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Yes, and that is the failure.

These tapes are all digitized in highres formats.

Simply provide 96 and 192 Khz versions and voila!

No distribution costs, the infrastructure is already there.

Kares said:

Still wrong.

Early CD releases (in the 1980s) were mastered by transferring the analog signal to 16bit digital audio as 24bit wasn't available yet, therefore a lot of titles only have 16bit CD production masters.

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How hard can it be to run the tape over some modern equipment to get some more resolution?

They must have done this already to preserve the decaying (analog) tapes.

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All in all we can conclude that mr Prince was more efficient than `the Estate` is.

And that says a lot.

udo said:

Kares said:

Still wrong.

Early CD releases (in the 1980s) were mastered by transferring the analog signal to 16bit digital audio as 24bit wasn't available yet, therefore a lot of titles only have 16bit CD production masters.

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How hard can it be to run the tape over some modern equipment to get some more resolution?

They must have done this already to preserve the decaying (analog) tapes.

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All in all we can conclude that mr Prince was more efficient than `the Estate` is.

And that says a lot.

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Trust me: professionally and safely transferring an analog tape to digital is far from being as simple as you imagine it, it is relatively expensive and no-one will pay for it just to put it out on HDTracks.
Please stop talking about this as it if were as simple as just throwing the reel of tape on any old tape machine and pressing 'record' on the computer.

stillwaiting said:

Rev said:

Are the heirs able to get they're hands on any income from the estate or Prince's liscensing agreements?

Income? Income? Playoffs? Playoffs? What?

By the time this is all sorted out, the fans who care will be dead, or over 80, and won't care. The time for making any money off any reissues or vault material was 2016-18. Damage control might garner some meager profits in the next five or so years, but many of us will still be alive when Paisley Park is torn down, and most, if not all of the assets are sold.

I'd love for PP to be a makeshift studio and museum for Prince, MJ, U2, and other major artists from the 1980's, but with all the legal issues and incompetence from multiple sides, PP will likely either be transformed into something we all don't like, or demolished. Sad.

[Edited 5/30/19 16:14pm]

Elvis died in 1977, almost 42 years ago. Graceland is still a popular attraction/.
It will be the same with Paisley, which has much more to offer as a facility.

BTW, the estate administrators and Gracelnd managers have said that Paisley is not only supporting itself but returning as profit to the estate.

laytonian said:

Elvis died in 1977, almost 42 years ago. Graceland is still a popular attraction/.
It will be the same with Paisley, which has much more to offer as a facility.

BTW, the estate administrators and Gracelnd managers have said that Paisley is not only supporting itself but returning as profit to the estate.

Great news!

Kares said:

Trust me: professionally and safely transferring an analog tape to digital is far from being as simple as you imagine it, it is relatively expensive and no-one will pay for it just to put it out on HDTracks.

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It has been done.

(for preservation)

So the additional cost is zero.