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Thread started 03/08/19 11:37pm

madhouseman

Prince's most Santana-like song?

I keep hearing that Prince was heavily influenced by Carlos Santana, but what songs of his reflect this?

Are there any from the SOTT era or is this something that came later?

Thank you

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Reply #1 posted 03/09/19 12:23am

thebanishedone

Heavy influence by Santana you can hear much more in the way

Prince played guitar ,not so much song writting wise,Santana himself didnt compose

too many songs himself

,most of Santans hit songs were

covers with a few

exceptions like Europa Samba Pa Ti

You can hear Santana influence in almost every guitar

solo Prince played Get It Up ,Everlastying Now ,God instrumental,

so many more

iF I WAS TO DESCRIBE Princes guitar soloing style i would say Prince

was Santana on steroids.

Regarding the actual songwritting influence

Interactive bass line sounds

like some Santana songs but i forgot which one

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Reply #2 posted 03/09/19 3:07am

iZsaZsa

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When Eye Lay My Hands On U

But I really don't know. Does he just mention Santana by name only?

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Reply #3 posted 03/09/19 3:31am

iZsaZsa

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iZsaZsa said:

When Eye Lay My Hands On U

But I really don't know. Does he just mention Santana by name only?

He says "Eye will touch thee in the softest manner, like Europa in the hands of Santana", then plays a hot guitar solo. Like Santana? lol

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Reply #4 posted 03/09/19 3:36am

MarcelS67

The solo in Last December at about 4:40 minutes.
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Reply #5 posted 03/09/19 4:20am

KeithyT

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MarcelS67 said:

The solo in Last December at about 4:40 minutes.
[Edited 3/9/19 3:38am]

And the one in The Everlasting Now on the same album...
Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
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Reply #6 posted 03/09/19 4:43am

RJOrion

doesnt really have a santana sounding song...but in alot of his guitar solos, Prince plays with a melodic, deliberate, Santana-esque feel and tone...like:

Computer Blue
Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad
The Morning Papers
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Reply #7 posted 03/09/19 4:58am

PURPLEIZED3121

besides those already mentioned:

Damned if I do, Damned if I dont [guitar melody is pure santana]

Leader of the Band - written for Sheila E - P on guitar I think?

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Reply #8 posted 03/09/19 6:38am

RJOrion

definitely "Everlasting Now"
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Reply #9 posted 03/09/19 6:45am

iZsaZsa

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I'm getting it now. smile

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Reply #10 posted 03/09/19 7:11am

violetcrush

RJOrion said:

doesnt really have a santana sounding song...but in alot of his guitar solos, Prince plays with a melodic, deliberate, Santana-esque feel and tone...like: Computer Blue Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad The Morning Papers

Yes, the style of his playing was much more "Santana-esque" than the style of Jimi - although many of his songs did reflect Jimi's influence.

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Prince often played the "Santana medley" during his concerts featuring four of the band's songs, and he stated many times that Carlos's playing was a big influence on him.

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Prince's answer to comparisons of his playing to Jimi Hendrix (RS interview 1985):

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What do you think about the comparisons between you and Jimi Hendrix?

It’s only because he’s black. That’s really the only thing we have in common. He plays different guitar than I do. If they really listened to my stuff, they’d hear more of a Santana influence than Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix played more blues; Santana played prettier. You can’t compare people, you really can’t, unless someone is blatantly trying to rip somebody off. And you really can’t tell that unless you play the songs.

You’ve got to understand that there’s only so much you can do on an electric guitar. I don’t know what these people are thinking—they’re usually non-guitar-playing mamma-jammas saying this kind of stuff. There are only so many sounds a guitar can make. Lord knows I’ve tried to make a guitar sound like something new to myself.

[Edited 3/9/19 7:12am]

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Reply #11 posted 03/09/19 7:13am

fabriziovenera
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The "Question of U" version he released in one of last NPG Ahdio

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Reply #12 posted 03/09/19 7:15am

violetcrush

fabriziovenerandi said:

The "Question of U" version he released in one of last NPG Ahdio

Yes, his guitar solo when he played that song live sounds very much like Santana's playing.

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Reply #13 posted 03/09/19 7:16am

dodger

iZsaZsa said:



iZsaZsa said:


When Eye Lay My Hands On U

But I really don't know. Does he just mention Santana by name only?



He says "Eye will touch thee in the softest manner, like Europa in the hands of Santana", then plays a hot guitar solo. Like Santana? lol



Yes!
Along with the others listed you could maybe add Valentina’s guitar solo
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Reply #14 posted 03/09/19 7:31am

iZsaZsa

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dodger said:

iZsaZsa said:

He says "Eye will touch thee in the softest manner, like Europa in the hands of Santana", then plays a hot guitar solo. Like Santana? lol

Yes! Along with the others listed you could maybe add Valentina’s guitar solo

The jam. dancing jig

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Reply #15 posted 03/09/19 6:05pm

TrivialPursuit

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madhouseman said:

I keep hearing that Prince was heavily influenced by Carlos Santana, but what songs of his reflect this?

Are there any from the SOTT era or is this something that came later?

Thank you


You've been on here for 17 years almost, and you've yet to put a Santana and Prince connection together?! Then you ask specifically about SOTT era. Sounds like troll bait or a bored night at home, to me.

Santana was a much bigger influence on Prince than Jimi Hendrix, as people assume.

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Reply #16 posted 03/09/19 6:38pm

KoolEaze

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The solo in Valentina.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"




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Reply #17 posted 03/10/19 10:51am

KoolEaze

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TrivialPursuit said:

madhouseman said:

I keep hearing that Prince was heavily influenced by Carlos Santana, but what songs of his reflect this?

Are there any from the SOTT era or is this something that came later?

Thank you


You've been on here for 17 years almost, and you've yet to put a Santana and Prince connection together?! Then you ask specifically about SOTT era. Sounds like troll bait or a bored night at home, to me.

Santana was a much bigger influence on Prince than Jimi Hendrix, as people assume.

lol Right ? Especially coming from him, of all people. Sounds almost like a newbie question.

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But then again, maybe he´s working on a new book covering a new era and is looking for comparisons, and sometimes it´s better to include more than just one´s own observations.

I really like his Purple Rain era book and it would be nice if we could get a Parade or SOTT era studio sessions book in the future.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"




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Reply #18 posted 03/10/19 10:51am

violetcrush

TrivialPursuit said:

madhouseman said:

I keep hearing that Prince was heavily influenced by Carlos Santana, but what songs of his reflect this?

Are there any from the SOTT era or is this something that came later?

Thank you


You've been on here for 17 years almost, and you've yet to put a Santana and Prince connection together?! Then you ask specifically about SOTT era. Sounds like troll bait or a bored night at home, to me.

Santana was a much bigger influence on Prince than Jimi Hendrix, as people assume.

Maybe a conversation starter?? smile I enjoy the "back and forth", and various ideas about specific sounds of his songs. Also, it's a way to bring newer fans into the mix to learn the history.

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Reply #19 posted 03/10/19 11:32am

violetcrush

KoolEaze said:

TrivialPursuit said:


You've been on here for 17 years almost, and you've yet to put a Santana and Prince connection together?! Then you ask specifically about SOTT era. Sounds like troll bait or a bored night at home, to me.

Santana was a much bigger influence on Prince than Jimi Hendrix, as people assume.

lol Right ? Especially coming from him, of all people. Sounds almost like a newbie question.

.

But then again, maybe he´s working on a new book covering a new era and is looking for comparisons, and sometimes it´s better to include more than just one´s own observations.

I really like his Purple Rain era book and it would be nice if we could get a Parade or SOTT era studio sessions book in the future.

OMG....I'm chomping at the bit for him to do the '85-'87 years!!!!! Come on Duane, you can do it biggrin

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Reply #20 posted 03/10/19 11:32am

TrivialPursuit

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violetcrush said:

Maybe a conversation starter?? smile I enjoy the "back and forth", and various ideas about specific sounds of his songs. Also, it's a way to bring newer fans into the mix to learn the history.


Perhaps. I'm going with KoolEaze's reply, though.

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Reply #21 posted 03/10/19 11:33am

violetcrush

TrivialPursuit said:

violetcrush said:

Maybe a conversation starter?? smile I enjoy the "back and forth", and various ideas about specific sounds of his songs. Also, it's a way to bring newer fans into the mix to learn the history.


Perhaps. I'm going with KoolEaze's reply, though.

Yes - see my note above yours wink biggrin

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Reply #22 posted 03/10/19 3:38pm

mediumdry

Try In A Spanish Villa from the Apollonia 6 album. Quite Santana like.

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Reply #23 posted 03/10/19 4:10pm

violetcrush

mediumdry said:

Try In A Spanish Villa from the Apollonia 6 album. Quite Santana like.

Definitely a similar tone/sound on the guitar in that song...

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Reply #24 posted 03/10/19 4:28pm

CherryMoon57

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The guitar at the end of The Word is very Santana-like.

Open your heart open your mind
A train is leaving all day
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Reply #25 posted 03/11/19 12:11am

TryWhistlingTh
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Well, both thematically and sonically, 3121, Lotus and Musicology sound very Santana.

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Reply #26 posted 03/11/19 5:47am

violetcrush

We could also just take Prince's word for his playing style, which I added on an earlier post smile He said he plays "prettier" - like Santana.

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Reply #27 posted 03/11/19 6:44am

Se7en

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Check out the guitar solo of The Everlasting Now (toward the middle/end of the song) - it is VERY much Santana-inspired guitar playing.

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Reply #28 posted 03/11/19 2:00pm

madhouseman

KoolEaze said:

TrivialPursuit said:


You've been on here for 17 years almost, and you've yet to put a Santana and Prince connection together?! Then you ask specifically about SOTT era. Sounds like troll bait or a bored night at home, to me.

Santana was a much bigger influence on Prince than Jimi Hendrix, as people assume.

lol Right ? Especially coming from him, of all people. Sounds almost like a newbie question.

.

But then again, maybe he´s working on a new book covering a new era and is looking for comparisons, and sometimes it´s better to include more than just one´s own observations.

I really like his Purple Rain era book and it would be nice if we could get a Parade or SOTT era studio sessions book in the future.

Thank you KoolEaze. I'm currently working on a follow up book and I've had several people mention the connection with Santana in their interviews about Prince and have noted that Prince cited Carlos as well as an influence. Unfortunately, I'm not as familiar with Santana's music so I thought I'd ask the group because of the wealth of knowledge out there.

I mention his Santana like playing in the first book when discussing "In A Spanish Villa" (pg. 252 of the paperback), but since I'm working on a different era, I wanted to see if there was someone who knew of something I'd missed.

Thank you all for the responses and clarity, as well as the support. I want this book series to be as accurate as possible so it is always good to get the opinion of others. The org has a lot of people who see and hear things that the rest of us miss and I'm proud to be a part of the group for almost 17 years!

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Reply #29 posted 03/11/19 2:21pm

AhPook

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I read Santana as Sinatra. That was a strange few seconds...

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