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Reply #60 posted 04/08/19 2:20am

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Can anyone confirm if the Purple version of the tape is exclusive to Electric Fetus and is limited to 500 and all other record stores get a regular tape that's limited to 4000?

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Reply #61 posted 04/11/19 1:33pm

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Reply #62 posted 04/12/19 1:09am

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Amazon.es just cancelled the item on their website.

The power of RSD is frightening.

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Reply #63 posted 04/12/19 3:22am

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I'm kinda wondering about the word "recreated" in the ad posted earlier. I hope that doesn't mean that they needed to recreate this mix because they couldn't find the master tape.

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Reply #64 posted 04/12/19 3:29am

Kares

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BartVanHemelen said:

I'm kinda wondering about the word "recreated" in the ad posted earlier. I hope that doesn't mean that they needed to recreate this mix because they couldn't find the master tape.

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I noticed that too but tbh I'm not too worried as I never really bothered to listen to the original either (I never cared much for remixes). But I guess they could be referring to the artwork as that seems to have been recreated, it looks different (and better).

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Reply #65 posted 04/12/19 4:24am

JorisE73

BartVanHemelen said:

I'm kinda wondering about the word "recreated" in the ad posted earlier. I hope that doesn't mean that they needed to recreate this mix because they couldn't find the master tape.


I hope that only means for the artwork. I don't understand otherwise why they would release this if they couldn't use the master tape instead of the numerous other projects of wich the master tapes are available (like the Camille album).

By the way is there anyone near Elecrtic Fetus that could pick me up a purple cassette version of Versace experience?

[Edited 4/12/19 4:25am]

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Reply #66 posted 04/13/19 1:59am

databank

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BartVanHemelen said:

I'm kinda wondering about the word "recreated" in the ad posted earlier. I hope that doesn't mean that they needed to recreate this mix because they couldn't find the master tape.

It would be much easier then to use a cassette rip of the original, such as the one circulating online, than to bother recreating it from the individual tracks' master tapes. But of course if there's any difference between this and the original, I hope someone will signal it here when they have the cassette.

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Reply #67 posted 04/13/19 2:39am

Kares

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databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

I'm kinda wondering about the word "recreated" in the ad posted earlier. I hope that doesn't mean that they needed to recreate this mix because they couldn't find the master tape.

It would be much easier then to use a cassette rip of the original, such as the one circulating online, than to bother recreating it from the individual tracks' master tapes. But of course if there's any difference between this and the original, I hope someone will signal it here when they have the cassette.

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I sincerely hope you're not suggesting to master a release from a cassette tape that was duplicated at high speed (as all mass-produced cassettes were)...

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Reply #68 posted 04/13/19 3:19am

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Kares said:

databank said:

It would be much easier then to use a cassette rip of the original, such as the one circulating online, than to bother recreating it from the individual tracks' master tapes. But of course if there's any difference between this and the original, I hope someone will signal it here when they have the cassette.

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I sincerely hope you're not suggesting to master a release from a cassette tape that was duplicated at high speed (as all mass-produced cassettes were)...

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After all the shit WB and the Estate appears to have pulled up since P died (glitches on PR Deluxe, fake edit on 4ever, fake mix of NC2U, fake transition between OD/RG and outtakes from Maxwell cassettes in the WB vault), I'm ready for anything lol

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Reply #69 posted 04/13/19 3:24am

Kares

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databank said:

Kares said:

I sincerely hope you're not suggesting to master a release from a cassette tape that was duplicated at high speed (as all mass-produced cassettes were)...

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After all the shit WB and the Estate appears to have pulled up since P died (glitches on PR Deluxe, fake edit on 4ever, fake mix of NC2U, fake transition between OD/RG and outtakes from Maxwell cassettes in the WB vault), I'm ready for anything. lol

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Yeah, I know, but sourcing something from a high-speed dub would really be a new low for them.

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Reply #70 posted 04/13/19 5:55am

IstenSzek

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something that i find a little bit strange: this cassette is released by The Estate and Legacy Recordings (Sony).

ehm, what?

wasn't all this material recorded when he was still under contract with WB?

ok, so The Gold Experience is a grey area probably, still. i don't know. but the other tracks on it are
songs recorded when he was still with WB, right?

it's just a bit strange to me that they would chose something like this to release when it's probably 1
of the most grey area releases to chose for The Estate/Legacy since it's also connected to WB at least
in theory. why risk a shitstorm over it?

although, doesn't seem like warners mind at all. so there's that.

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Reply #71 posted 04/13/19 6:18am

Kares

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IstenSzek said:

something that i find a little bit strange: this cassette is released by The Estate and Legacy Recordings (Sony).

ehm, what?

wasn't all this material recorded when he was still under contract with WB?

ok, so The Gold Experience is a grey area probably, still. i don't know. but the other tracks on it are
songs recorded when he was still with WB, right?

it's just a bit strange to me that they would chose something like this to release when it's probably 1
of the most grey area releases to chose for The Estate/Legacy since it's also connected to WB at least
in theory. why risk a shitstorm over it?

although, doesn't seem like warners mind at all. so there's that.

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I guess we'll see if Warners mind it or not. I assume they do, as it was a Warners promo cassette when it was made – and it includes stuff like the Madhouse tracks which were still unreleased until today. I wouldn't be surprised if this would lead to even more arguments between Warners and the Estate.

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Reply #72 posted 04/13/19 7:36am

IstenSzek

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Kares said:

IstenSzek said:

something that i find a little bit strange: this cassette is released by The Estate and Legacy Recordings (Sony).

ehm, what?

wasn't all this material recorded when he was still under contract with WB?

ok, so The Gold Experience is a grey area probably, still. i don't know. but the other tracks on it are
songs recorded when he was still with WB, right?

it's just a bit strange to me that they would chose something like this to release when it's probably 1
of the most grey area releases to chose for The Estate/Legacy since it's also connected to WB at least
in theory. why risk a shitstorm over it?

although, doesn't seem like warners mind at all. so there's that.

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I guess we'll see if Warners mind it or not. I assume they do, as it was a Warners promo cassette when it was made – and it includes stuff like the Madhouse tracks which were still unreleased until today. I wouldn't be surprised if this would lead to even more arguments between Warners and the Estate.

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exactly. i really don't understand the reasoning of these people. the most logical thing would have
been for The Estate/Sony Legacy to release "the hot experience", to tie in with the Ultimate Rave
package. but no. seems they can only release stuff that has been officially released, which is why
they are picking this tape, which was/is likely to cause more friction between parties confused

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Reply #73 posted 04/13/19 7:38am

imago

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Chile, I am going to bump to this thing on my cassette deck in my Trans Am, yo.

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Reply #74 posted 04/13/19 9:56am

IstenSzek

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imago said:

Chile, I am going to bump to this thing on my cassette deck in my Trans Am, yo.


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Reply #75 posted 04/13/19 12:43pm

databank

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Kares said:



databank said:




Kares said:



I sincerely hope you're not suggesting to master a release from a cassette tape that was duplicated at high speed (as all mass-produced cassettes were)...


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After all the shit WB and the Estate appears to have pulled up since P died (glitches on PR Deluxe, fake edit on 4ever, fake mix of NC2U, fake transition between OD/RG and outtakes from Maxwell cassettes in the WB vault), I'm ready for anything. lol



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Yeah, I know, but sourcing something from a high-speed dub would really be a new low for them.


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I probably wouldn't hear the difference. Most people wouldn't. You're an engineer but most people are happy listening to lo-fi stuff.
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Reply #76 posted 04/13/19 12:58pm

PacManPlus

Hi Guys:

Ok, so I got the 'His Majesty's Pop Life' album today, and I'm GLAD I got it.
A few mislabels of songs (both are *good* mistakes, at least for me)

- 'Little Red Corvette' is listed as the 'Album Version', bit's actually the 8:25 Dance Mix!
- 'Pop Life' is listed as the 'Fresh Dance Mix' (i.e. the US 12"), but it's actually the 9:00 UK Long Version!

The latter is a GREAT error as I was looking for the UK version for a LONG time.

So we have:

- The 6:30 version of Raspberry Beret
- The 7:00 version of Paisley Park
- The 9:00 version of Pop Life
- The 7:25 version of Let's Go Crazy
- The 8:25 version of Little Red Corvette
- The 10:20 version of I Would Die 4U
- The 7:21 version of Erotic City

1999 and When Doves Cry are both album versions, as is America.

So this is a good 12" collection, and just for Pop Life alone, I'm glad I picked this up.

[Edited 4/13/19 13:00pm]

[Edited 4/13/19 13:02pm]

[Edited 4/13/19 13:03pm]

[Edited 4/13/19 13:38pm]

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Reply #77 posted 04/13/19 1:01pm

Kares

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databank said:

Kares said:

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Yeah, I know, but sourcing something from a high-speed dub would really be a new low for them.

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I probably wouldn't hear the difference. Most people wouldn't. You're an engineer but most people are happy listening to lo-fi stuff.

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I still have a tiny bit of faith in humanity left so I refuse to believe that razz
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Reply #78 posted 04/13/19 5:04pm

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PacManPlus said:



- 'Little Red Corvette' is listed as the 'Album Version', bit's actually the 8:25 Dance Mix!

Mine has Little Red Corvette listed as Dance Mix on the back cover. hmmm

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Reply #79 posted 04/13/19 5:05pm

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JorisE73 said:

Can anyone confirm if the Purple version of the tape is exclusive to Electric Fetus and is limited to 500 and all other record stores get a regular tape that's limited to 4000?

The purple version is exclusive to Electric Fetus. They had 1000 copies. 500 on sale today and then 500 on sale April 24th for Celebration.

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Reply #80 posted 04/13/19 9:51pm

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IstenSzek said:

something that i find a little bit strange: this cassette is released by The Estate and Legacy Recordings (Sony).

ehm, what?

wasn't all this material recorded when he was still under contract with WB?

ok, so The Gold Experience is a grey area probably, still. i don't know. but the other tracks on it are
songs recorded when he was still with WB, right?

it's just a bit strange to me that they would chose something like this to release when it's probably 1
of the most grey area releases to chose for The Estate/Legacy since it's also connected to WB at least
in theory. why risk a shitstorm over it?

although, doesn't seem like warners mind at all. so there's that.

"TGE" was initially distributed by WB but was technically an NPG release, which means he owned the master to it. That was the negotiation at the time, just as it was for the planned Exodus release in the US before the Esquire interview derailed it. Anything released under the Symbol belonged to NPG Records regardless of its distribution. That's why those particular albums went out of print so quickly.

It's the same reason why the TGE & C&D tracks are on the Anthology, distributed by Sony, yet nothing on "The Vault" is - that album was released under the Prince name.

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Reply #81 posted 04/13/19 10:30pm

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Kares said:



databank said:




BartVanHemelen said:


I'm kinda wondering about the word "recreated" in the ad posted earlier. I hope that doesn't mean that they needed to recreate this mix because they couldn't find the master tape.



It would be much easier then to use a cassette rip of the original, such as the one circulating online, than to bother recreating it from the individual tracks' master tapes. But of course if there's any difference between this and the original, I hope someone will signal it here when they have the cassette.



.


I sincerely hope you're not suggesting to master a release from a cassette tape that was duplicated at high speed (as all mass-produced cassettes were)...


.


I'm afraid to these ears it certainly sounds that they did. The sound is a bit tinny and flat compared to other cassettes in my collection. Heck, I have cassettes from the 70s with more umph than this slouch
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Reply #82 posted 04/13/19 10:48pm

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scratchtasia said:



thedoorkeeper said:


Also available as digital downloads. Yes? No?


I hope there's a download code with the cassette, but I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed.



The tape interestingly has a date of 4/19. Maybe that's the day of the actual digital release.
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Reply #83 posted 04/13/19 11:56pm

databank

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PacManPlus said:

Hi Guys:

Ok, so I got the 'His Majesty's Pop Life' album today, and I'm GLAD I got it.
A few mislabels of songs (both are *good* mistakes, at least for me)

- 'Little Red Corvette' is listed as the 'Album Version', bit's actually the 8:25 Dance Mix!
- 'Pop Life' is listed as the 'Fresh Dance Mix' (i.e. the US 12"), but it's actually the 9:00 UK Long Version!

The latter is a GREAT error as I was looking for the UK version for a LONG time.

So we have:

- The 6:30 version of Raspberry Beret
- The 7:00 version of Paisley Park
- The 9:00 version of Pop Life
- The 7:25 version of Let's Go Crazy
- The 8:25 version of Little Red Corvette
- The 10:20 version of I Would Die 4U
- The 7:21 version of Erotic City

1999 and When Doves Cry are both album versions, as is America.

So this is a good 12" collection, and just for Pop Life alone, I'm glad I picked this up.

[Edited 4/13/19 13:00pm]

[Edited 4/13/19 13:02pm]

[Edited 4/13/19 13:03pm]

[Edited 4/13/19 13:38pm]

I think 1999 should be the 12'' edit not the album version. It should have a fade out at the end, no?

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Reply #84 posted 04/14/19 3:12am

IstenSzek

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TrcikyChristopher said:

IstenSzek said:

something that i find a little bit strange: this cassette is released by The Estate and Legacy Recordings (Sony).

ehm, what?

wasn't all this material recorded when he was still under contract with WB?

ok, so The Gold Experience is a grey area probably, still. i don't know. but the other tracks on it are
songs recorded when he was still with WB, right?

it's just a bit strange to me that they would chose something like this to release when it's probably 1
of the most grey area releases to chose for The Estate/Legacy since it's also connected to WB at least
in theory. why risk a shitstorm over it?

although, doesn't seem like warners mind at all. so there's that.

"TGE" was initially distributed by WB but was technically an NPG release, which means he owned the master to it. That was the negotiation at the time, just as it was for the planned Exodus release in the US before the Esquire interview derailed it. Anything released under the Symbol belonged to NPG Records regardless of its distribution. That's why those particular albums went out of print so quickly.

It's the same reason why the TGE & C&D tracks are on the Anthology, distributed by Sony, yet nothing on "The Vault" is - that album was released under the Prince name.


i completely forgot about that. thanks for clearing that up cool

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Reply #85 posted 04/14/19 3:28am

IstenSzek

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TrcikyChristopher said:

scratchtasia said:


I hope there's a download code with the cassette, but I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed.

The tape interestingly has a date of 4/19. Maybe that's the day of the actual digital release.


could that perhaps mean 'april 2019' instead of '19th of april' ?

just thinking out loud here. smile

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Reply #86 posted 04/14/19 4:04am

databank

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TrcikyChristopher said:

IstenSzek said:

something that i find a little bit strange: this cassette is released by The Estate and Legacy Recordings (Sony).

ehm, what?

wasn't all this material recorded when he was still under contract with WB?

ok, so The Gold Experience is a grey area probably, still. i don't know. but the other tracks on it are
songs recorded when he was still with WB, right?

it's just a bit strange to me that they would chose something like this to release when it's probably 1
of the most grey area releases to chose for The Estate/Legacy since it's also connected to WB at least
in theory. why risk a shitstorm over it?

although, doesn't seem like warners mind at all. so there's that.

"TGE" was initially distributed by WB but was technically an NPG release, which means he owned the master to it. That was the negotiation at the time, just as it was for the planned Exodus release in the US before the Esquire interview derailed it. Anything released under the Symbol belonged to NPG Records regardless of its distribution. That's why those particular albums went out of print so quickly.

It's the same reason why the TGE & C&D tracks are on the Anthology, distributed by Sony, yet nothing on "The Vault" is - that album was released under the Prince name.

Strangely enuff both albums had the noticia "(p) WB" at the time of release, not "(p) NPG", so either it was a typo, or WB did own the masters but only for a predetermined, limited amount of time.

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Reply #87 posted 04/14/19 11:42am

PacManPlus

motherfunka said:

PacManPlus said:



- 'Little Red Corvette' is listed as the 'Album Version', bit's actually the 8:25 Dance Mix!

Mine has Little Red Corvette listed as Dance Mix on the back cover. hmmm



Wow - you're right. I never even looked at the back cover. I was looking at the labels. On the label it reads "Album Version"



Also, yes 1999 does fade out at the exact point that Little Red Corvette would fade in. So to me, that's the album version. smile razz



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Reply #88 posted 04/14/19 2:12pm

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daned said:

Kares said:

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I sincerely hope you're not suggesting to master a release from a cassette tape that was duplicated at high speed (as all mass-produced cassettes were)...

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I'm afraid to these ears it certainly sounds that they did. The sound is a bit tinny and flat compared to other cassettes in my collection. Heck, I have cassettes from the 70s with more umph than this slouch

You know that Dolby no longer license Dolby noise reduction for cassette duplication, don't you?

They could... They just choose not to. confused

You'll never see the Dolby double-D logo on a newly-manufactured cassette.

http://www.tapeheads.net/...hp?t=62155

Indie cassette manufacturers will sometimes master cassettes with Dolby B NR equipment - but would never label it as such, or advertise the fact.

Major labels??? Nope. Never.

So, if you've been listening with Dolby NR turned-on, turn it off. It'll be making it sound flat.

Embrace the tape hiss, and aim for a frown on your EQ.

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Reply #89 posted 04/14/19 10:38pm

databank

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PacManPlus said:



motherfunka said:




PacManPlus said:




- 'Little Red Corvette' is listed as the 'Album Version', bit's actually the 8:25 Dance Mix!





Mine has Little Red Corvette listed as Dance Mix on the back cover. hmmm






Wow - you're right. I never even looked at the back cover. I was looking at the labels. On the label it reads "Album Version"





Also, yes 1999 does fade out at the exact point that Little Red Corvette would fade in. So to me, that's the album version. smile razz





It's not the album version if it does not crossfade. It's the 12'' version.
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