Watching them tango on a balcony over the sea, cooing woefully lame words of love, you find yourself more intrigued by Prince's paisley outfit--you wonder which set of buttons really work, the ones on the front of the jacket, at the back or along his pants leg. ok thats funny. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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I just watched the DVD on a BluRay player for the first time. The black & white is very vivid, and all the visual textures are fine! I think that the romantic portrayal of Christopher and Mary was on the mark for 2 young adults in an early romance--which is what it was. Matter of fact, they could have been more flip and it would have been even better! The fight scenes, on the other hand, were really wooden and fake--I had to wince at each of those acts! > To me, though, in the end, the film is still a fun escape from the usual trudge. | |
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fight scene? jesus, it must be bad, i can't really remember it, you mean between tricky and jerome? | |
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I guess it's somewhat subjective. I just did not find the romantic scenes believable at all. The way he was kissing her....blahhhhhghh!! It looked so fake and forced. I'm guessing he was a guy who could not fake the physical intimacy. Either that, or he was more worried about looking good doing it then making it believable * Yes, the fight scenes were not believable at all either. Prince was a lover, not a fighter * The black and white visual was done well - thanks to the cinematographer, who also had done Raging Bull. However, it does seem a shame to lose all of the beautiful coastal colors. I think it was Bob Cavallo who said to him, "if you're gonna do a black and white film then why are you shooting it in Nice? It would be a lot cheaper to do it in Miami". I kind of have to agree with him on that one. * Yes, I think ultimately Prince wanted to do a fun throwback to the 40's comedies, which I think he did accomplish with the exception of the last scene. I understand the message he was trying to convey, however, it was a sudden 180 turn from the comedic and campy feel of the film. He changed the ending last minute. The execs were really pissed off. | |
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I love Prince as much as most here, and like most, in my eyes, the man could do no wrong, but even I have to admit that not everything he did was great, and that clearly includes UTCM, it was bad y'all:lol: | |
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Christopher T. was definitely not a kind or gentle kisser, to be sure. I read where Prince was always going in for "the longest kiss in cinema history" at those liplocked moments. Apparently, the most gynmastic lip & tounge action, as well! Those weren't always romantic, but , the thing was a Prince vehicle--he was gonna kiss the taste outta' Mary Sharon's mouth! > One more takedown mark for the critics. | |
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Mainly... most people couldn’t identify with or even believe the characters. The plot didn’t feel substantial. The humor wasn’t that funny. The way the songs were featured was not as effective as many other movies. But for a Prince fanatic it seemed fun and just another level of collecting more Prince experience... later. I mean I didn’t watch this at the time of release. the word of mouth was so bad! And I loved Purple Rain. I guess after I got into bootleg collecting I circled back and watched and collected this. Who’s seen the Vanilla Ice movie!? My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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violetcrush said: "His comedy scenes with Benton play like bad improv sketches, with Prince coming off like a second-rate Morris Day and Benton like a loutish buffoon. Coated with thick makeup, a spit-curl positioned over his left eye, Prince often appears more prissy than paramour. He's so full of twitchy, self-conscious gestures that you never feel any jolt of sexual tension--it's as if he studied the art of movie seduction by watching old Paul Lynde movies."
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Ouch!! No wonder Prince had an emotional breakdown after the film was done
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Can analyze how good or bad UTCM was all you want... The true fact is... It was the follow up to Purple Rain... That was Prince's pinnacle, his manifesto in terms of imagery and music, none of his movies would have the same impact after that. | |
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Sign O the Times is the best Prince movie and he even tried to muck that one up with hints of a "plot"
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To analyze some of the criticicms of Christopher and Tricky, which are fair--I can see the perspective here-- but can disagre with, due to my own frame of reference, is that I see 2 American bros. on the streets of a wealty French town getting their hustle on--not necessarily a kind or sympathetic endeavor to your typical audience--let's be real. I mean, transport those 2 to say, a more pedestrian locale like 1980's Atlanta,even, and they'd have been unsympathetically strung up to a lamppost for their indiscretions! So I get that many viewers, at least in the U.S., would strain to relate those roles to those 2 actors. > Giving the guys a minsntrel role as buskers, on the other hand, would certainly have conveyed a more audience-relatable role for people to settle on. I can see your point, herb4. But, as I had mentioned in the thread at an earlier point, take a mental exercise and ignore the story as a Prince vehicle, change the ethnicity of Christopher and Tricky to Vanilla Ice and Ricky Srpringfield types, and the audience's sympathetic conflicts toward the characters melt away and their personality flaws--assholery and all--transform into just another plot point. But of course the lead is not a Euro type, but a 5'2 negro, so he could hardly realistically portray such a ladykiller in a straitlaced manner--and that is where his frillery and piano lounge perch come into play to keep him exotically compelling and accessible to his marks. > Jerome cum Tricky was the main dude's sidekick--a friend and foil--who both helped to keep his pal together and to serve his own track of tension to the plot. Simple. You couldn't expect 1 American brother on the south coast of France to keep his cool all on his own! Perhaps an Algerian or Cote d' Ivoire stand-in would fit the bill, in a pinch. Having to figure whether Tricky's character is bisexual or just silly-mugging to me just added to his own mystique to the scenes. I don't believe that the character dove too deeply into buffoonery. > At any rate, the movie wasn't all that serious, well, not for many us, although it was for the protagonist--Christopher T. was too bold biting off more conflict than he could chew, and in the end got capped for the trouble he roused. Mary carried on living as his timeless lover. Romantic? Well, kinda. She was always going to live to enjoy her money, regarless of whomever woulda' been scripted to portray her lover, I'd say. > I could even imagine an alternative ending to the film where Chris and Mary run off together to a gypsy carnival, carrying on the "life is a parade" theme for a little bit longer.
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herb4 said:
Its easier to relate to the struggling ambitions of a young artist. Prince was no Richard Gerr (American Gigolo) so yeah i can see a setback. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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I don't think some of you grasp how much Prince was mocking himself. The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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I do not believe that prince was mocking his own life in the story. Luxury refined is one object that the money Prince obtained through his grinding hustle had earned him! I can't personally tell how much refined luxury he actually enjoyed--he enjoyed his fast cars, for one. > The making of the film can be seen as an honest result of his hard work and cunning to win and project a media portrayal in his image of choice. With this project, he certainly enjoying the luxury of embracing a cinematic style to reflect his love of the historic --not everyone bought into his love of the black and white. I don't believe that the project is a mockery of much besides frivolity of some of the things that money can buy and placing more value upon one's spiritual connections. > I guess that I did forget to mention that the film's locale is a character in the tale, as well. Fans of both entertainer Prince and the nation of France alike can enjoy the portrayal of these 2 characters. Nevermind that the project had comercially flopped. Enjoy the thing if you please.
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I actually do think he was projecting much of his own life experience - allbeit in a very comedic and exaggerated way. He really did become a "gigolo" of sorts when he became a world-wide sensation - well, it seems he had that in him from the start, but it really took off with PR. * He tells a similar story in the song Movie Star: * Let's see... body oil - check * France (the parts that I have experienced - Paris, Honfleur, and Champagne) is certainly beautiful and a wonderful cultural experience. However, beside some of the scenic shots - of which some of the majestic visual was lost with the B&W film - much of that aspect was overshadowed by the focus on the comedic scenes. He was trying to combine cultural sophistication with campy comedy and a light-hearted story with a sad and tragic ending. | |
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In the DMSR book,it is writtten that Prince wasn't happy with the way the movie turned out.He cried about it and Susannah was there to comfort him.He probably knew that it wasn't gonna be well received,but there was no turning back at that point.
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I actually think that Sheena Easton could have played that role.And because she's a singer,Prince could have written a few songs for her to sing in the film.With Prince and Sheena starring in it,they could have made it more like a musical. | |
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Sheena wasn't an actress though, so she most likely would have done no better than Susannah in that regard. Susannah's vocals meshed great with Prince's, so I think musical numbers would have worked just as well with her. | |
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I absolutely agree that Prince was projecting aspects of his life in "Under the Cherry Moon." I don't believe that he was mocking or making light of his life's cirucumstances with the story, however. Who knows? > It's surprising to me to read that he cried over the end result of the film! I guess that means he had higher artistic ambitions for the project. It is kind of sad in a way but if true was also was an opportunity for him to realize a shortcoming and understand that he could use some teamwork to help him create an even better storyline, if that is what he did want to achieve. He didn't follow up on any of that wisdon, though, did he. I didn't cry over the film, despite the thing not being Academy Award winning material. I laughed, appreciatively. I'm just a crazy fan.
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yeah,sometimes I think Prince let his ego get the best of him.He was really ambitious (which is great) but his "I can do anything" attitude sometimes worked against him.He should not have fired the director. | |
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violetcrush said: France (the parts that I have experienced - Paris, Honfleur, and Champagne) is certainly beautiful and a wonderful cultural experience. However, beside some of the scenic shots - of which some of the majestic visual was lost with the B&W film - much of that aspect was overshadowed by the focus on the comedic scenes. He was trying to combine cultural sophistication with campy comedy and a light-hearted story with a sad and tragic ending.
So many people love colors in film. One day someone will make an investment to colorize this movie if there was ever any promise for people to buy the thing. > Re. his blurry focus, such is life--a lot of background flow--he had all of those things happening for himself personally at the time. I guess the film was an unfortunate filter for those myriad experiences. The sad and tragic ending also came to be for Prince, as with Christopher.! Interesting reflection, there. > I think that a campily comedic scamp plopped down in the midst of refined culture meeting a sad, tragic ending isn't that much of a plot stretch. Unless the court jester is actually killing it for 100%of the time, or has a brilliant exit plan up his sleeve, it seems that arc could be quite the possibility.! | |
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Yes, right....a lot of very eerie coincidetnal circumstances with that film and his own life - * April 21, 1985 - records Sometimes It Snows In April live in one take * April 21, 2016 - | |
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Wow, that probably took a lot of time to write that. "Wish eye had a dollar 4 everytime U say, don't U miss the feeling Music gave u, back in the day"
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I think the movie would have worked better if it had been in color
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^^^ Wow, I think I have to agree with that. Would be SO great if we could get a hold of the color version!!! | |
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If only Albert Magnoli had directed Under the Cherry Moon (since he did direct "Purple Rain", ghost directed "Sign o' the Times", and directed the Batdance and Partyman videos. He knew how to work a cinematic version of Prince. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Good point. Although, by that point Prince thought he could drive that train and be just as successful | |
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