poppys said:

violetcrush said:

Trust me - no obsession here. Just defending my thoughts and opnions when attacked about them. Lots and lots of attacking and petty comments on cerain threads when they pertain to certain associates/girlfriends, and it seems that has been the case for years from the many older threads I've reviewed. It also seems to have gotten worse in more recent years.

The problem is, constant posting on so many threads dilutes what is said with the same ol' same permutations and convolutions of the material at hand.

Not to mention the constant take of what Prince was thinking personally, industry & career wise, which is pretty laughable sometimes. I'm his age, we didn't grow up glued to a device or a give a rat's ass what the billboard charts said every minute, trust me on that.

Well, to be fair, there's not a lot of us posting here anymore - especially since his death - so some crossover is to be expected. Most topics have been repeated and run into the ground by now. TIme was, we'd be discussing a new album, TV appearance, website or tour but...well...

All that's gone.

rdhull said:

luvsexy4all said:

not a surprize...very lonely...misunderstood

log off

LOL God I'm so glad you're back on the Org. (Don't let that shit go to your head, tho.)

benni said:

thedance said:

It seems like some of u needs / wants Prince to be called/ named "a kind of drug addict" which he wasn't - ?



I am not trolling, it's just a huge surprise that some of u could even believe this,


Isn't it your own relation towards drugs you are projecting over on him, Prince??


Ok, I am not a psychologist, but to me, well I can't and I won't believe Susan Rogers,


She is remembering this wrong and it's not the first time she remembers something in "a different way".


After all it IS a very, very long time ago.


She is great allright, (I admire her) - but she remembers different thing that might not had happened, I can't and will never believe Prince taking drugs, no way..

Prince was focused on living a good and healthy life.. drugs is not included.


I am in denial here.. u could say.. well I believe the good, denies the bad..

Well, on that same Nile river with you. That's why I haven't commented on the connection to Prince, but rather the psychedlics themselves. They have been shown to have a lot of medicinal qualities, and are effective for treating mental illness (depression, PTSD, complex PTSD, anxiety, substance abuse, alcoholism, and I'm sure that as they study it, they may find more and more that it treats effectively, and in some cases better than conventional medicine).

Whether or not Prince did psychedelics, doesn't matter. It would not have led to his addiction (psychedlics are not addictive) and in many instances, open one to a Divine experience, from everything I've read. (I've never tried them, but when my complex PTSD has kicked in, I have considered it). And I've read quite a few testimonials of people that were changed from a single usage.

I think in the traditional sense of what a drug is considered, mushrooms, at least, cannot be considered that. As for LSD, the chemical composition and the fact that it is man made, would lean me toward it being a drug, but the effects, the lack of addiction (or overdose) also points to something that is "non-drug" to me. Most drugs have the potential to be misused, abused, addictive, and can cause someone to overdose, in my mind, but psychedelics do not do that, so I tend to view them through a different lense.

You're attempting to have a logical, scientific discussion with someone who essentiall posted that "all drugs are evil and icky and satan" so good luck with that.

poppys said:

^^ I rest my case for now.

poppys said:

I'm on yer track. All I'm saying is that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. My expectations are low with that level of obsession even though I can enjoy some posts.

herb4 said:

benni said:

Well, on that same Nile river with you. That's why I haven't commented on the connection to Prince, but rather the psychedlics themselves. They have been shown to have a lot of medicinal qualities, and are effective for treating mental illness (depression, PTSD, complex PTSD, anxiety, substance abuse, alcoholism, and I'm sure that as they study it, they may find more and more that it treats effectively, and in some cases better than conventional medicine).

Whether or not Prince did psychedelics, doesn't matter. It would not have led to his addiction (psychedlics are not addictive) and in many instances, open one to a Divine experience, from everything I've read. (I've never tried them, but when my complex PTSD has kicked in, I have considered it). And I've read quite a few testimonials of people that were changed from a single usage.

I think in the traditional sense of what a drug is considered, mushrooms, at least, cannot be considered that. As for LSD, the chemical composition and the fact that it is man made, would lean me toward it being a drug, but the effects, the lack of addiction (or overdose) also points to something that is "non-drug" to me. Most drugs have the potential to be misused, abused, addictive, and can cause someone to overdose, in my mind, but psychedelics do not do that, so I tend to view them through a different lense.

You're attempting to have a logical, scientific discussion with someone who essentiall posted that "all drugs are evil and icky and satan" so good luck with that.

It was worth a shot???

Chaka Khan mentions Prince´s occasional acid use in her latest interview that she gave to the Guardian.

"“I never, ever got any indication that he was on pills. I knew he was doing certain things, I knew he had a couple of bouts with acid and all that. That’s OK. A one-off here and there, you got the money, you ain’t working. You like acid – go do it. But he was totally against drinking; he’d drink red wine occasionally, not a lot. He starved himself – he wouldn’t eat unless it was this or that; he was very particular. What comes to mind is someone who was very health conscious as opposed to …” Her voice trails off and she shakes her head. “Secrets kill. Secrets kill, and if he hid from me for so many years where he was really at, and I was like his confidante in many ways, you know … It’s hard to keep a secret like that from me. So I learned a lot, you know. I just said: ‘I better go check myself.’ And I’m alive maybe because he’s dead. I went to a doctor and I said, ‘Here’s the deal’, and he told me there are certain pains you’ve just got to live with, that’s part of life.”

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Sounds like it was really just an occasional, rare thing. I´m still surprised to hear this though since acid is not exactly the kind of thing I would have expected him to try because he was such a control freak and acid is not exactly known for letting you have a lot of control over a situation.

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https://www.theguardian.c...chaka-khan

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Chaka I found out recently at an industry event is going to be in a new Prince documentary. I don't know if it's the Ava one. But it was recently & privately viewed at a house in the Hollywood Hills is all I can say right now. The said documentary was delayed MANY times because of The estates clearance of certain things. But it's finished.

KoolEaze said:

Chaka Khan mentions Prince´s occasional acid use in her latest interview that she gave to the Guardian.

"“I never, ever got any indication that he was on pills. I knew he was doing certain things, I knew he had a couple of bouts with acid and all that. That’s OK. A one-off here and there, you got the money, you ain’t working. You like acid – go do it. But he was totally against drinking; he’d drink red wine occasionally, not a lot. He starved himself – he wouldn’t eat unless it was this or that; he was very particular. What comes to mind is someone who was very health conscious as opposed to …” Her voice trails off and she shakes her head. “Secrets kill. Secrets kill, and if he hid from me for so many years where he was really at, and I was like his confidante in many ways, you know … It’s hard to keep a secret like that from me. So I learned a lot, you know. I just said: ‘I better go check myself.’ And I’m alive maybe because he’s dead. I went to a doctor and I said, ‘Here’s the deal’, and he told me there are certain pains you’ve just got to live with, that’s part of life.”

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Sounds like it was really just an occasional, rare thing. I´m still surprised to hear this though since acid is not exactly the kind of thing I would have expected him to try because he was such a control freak and acid is not exactly known for letting you have a lot of control over a situation.

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Great quote and information here. It seems she was also in the dark regarding his addiction to the pain meds. Very glad she got medical assistance after he passed. Seems he did not die in vain, and his situation will bring clarity to many others who are suffering from pain and addiction to the meds.

herb4 said:

poppys said:

The problem is, constant posting on so many threads dilutes what is said with the same ol' same permutations and convolutions of the material at hand.

Not to mention the constant take of what Prince was thinking personally, industry & career wise, which is pretty laughable sometimes. I'm his age, we didn't grow up glued to a device or a give a rat's ass what the billboard charts said every minute, trust me on that.

Well, to be fair, there's not a lot of us posting here anymore - especially since his death - so some crossover is to be expected. Most topics have been repeated and run into the ground by now. TIme was, we'd be discussing a new album, TV appearance, website or tour but...well...

All that's gone.

To be fair, I was not speaking generally. If you witnessed the Andy Allo reign of terror, you would know what I was talking about.

poppys said:

herb4 said:

Well, to be fair, there's not a lot of us posting here anymore - especially since his death - so some crossover is to be expected. Most topics have been repeated and run into the ground by now. TIme was, we'd be discussing a new album, TV appearance, website or tour but...well...

All that's gone.

To be fair, I was not speaking generally. If you witnessed the Andy Allo reign of terror, you would know what I was talking about.

What is "the Andy Allo reign of terror"?

bonatoc said:

poppys said:

To be fair, I was not speaking generally. If you witnessed the Andy Allo reign of terror, you would know what I was talking about.

What is "the Andy Allo reign of terror"?

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poppys said:

bonatoc said:

What is "the Andy Allo reign of terror"?

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bonatoc said:

poppys said:

To be fair, I was not speaking generally. If you witnessed the Andy Allo reign of terror, you would know what I was talking about.

What is "the Andy Allo reign of terror"?

As I'm sure you've been "orgnoted" - it seems poppys is comparing me to a former member who mainly, or only, posted and/or created threads about Andy Allo, and also became quite aggressive with his or her responses. However, it is quite an unfair comparison, as a quick look at my thread activity clearly confirms that I have many varied interests in all things Prince related, and am far from hostile in my responses. It's a bit hard not to have a higher activity on a particular thread and/or repeat certain comments when you have the "harem vultures" diving down to counter any and every comment posted

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violetcrush said:

bonatoc said:

What is "the Andy Allo reign of terror"?

As I'm sure you've been "orgnoted" - it seems poppys is comparing me to a former member who mainly, or only, posted and/or created threads about Andy Allo, and also became quite aggressive with his or her responses. However, it is quite an unfair comparison, as a quick look at my thread activity clearly confirms that I have many varied interests in all things Prince related, and am far from hostile in my responses. It's a bit hard not to have a higher activity on a particular thread and/or repeat certain comments when you have the "harem vultures" diving down to counter any and every comment posted

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I have absolutely no idea what a harem vulture is. As a more casual orger, I don't have anywhere near this level of obsession, especially with any associate. I hardly even read that forum anymore because of this kind of reply.

poppys said:

violetcrush said:

As I'm sure you've been "orgnoted" - it seems poppys is comparing me to a former member who mainly, or only, posted and/or created threads about Andy Allo, and also became quite aggressive with his or her responses. However, it is quite an unfair comparison, as a quick look at my thread activity clearly confirms that I have many varied interests in all things Prince related, and am far from hostile in my responses. It's a bit hard not to have a higher activity on a particular thread and/or repeat certain comments when you have the "harem vultures" diving down to counter any and every comment posted

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I have absolutely no idea what a harem vulture is. As a more casual orger, I don't have anywhere near this level of obsession, especially with any associate. I hardly even read that forum anymore because of this kind of reply.

My comment was in reference to your implication that I am "obsessed" with a particular associate, and the reason I wind up with a higher quantity of posts on that topic. Here is an example of the "harem vulture" dynamic that I am referring to - as I'm sure you've seen at some point:

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PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said: OldFriends, this thread is wearing me out!!! Good to see you in here!

Probably because of 335 posts 299 are yours...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGameSaid:

Penny! We said this at the same time!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

Probably because of 335 posts 299 are yours...

Penny! We said this at the same time!

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Penny! We said this at the same time!

Great minds think alike!

Peggyon said:

Amen!

And OldFriends4Sale came to my rescue....

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violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

Yes she did. She clarified not just in a sexual way but he helped to shape her into the person she became. I thought that was very touching. You know, I always thought the fDeluxe song Lover might have been connected to him. That and Beautiful You

OldFriends, this thread is wearing me out!!! Good to see you in here! And Pink too. Love her!! [Edited 1/6/19 21:05pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

yeah I feel the heavy spirit of LauraRichardson here lol

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The constant berating and snarky responses on certain threads - especially when the thread's subject is a woman who was intimately involved with Prince, is just ridiculous and juvenile. Consequently, you get a "snowball" effect with comments and repsonses due to multiple posters who assume an attack mode. It's Junior High hell all over again

poppys said:

To be fair, I was not speaking generally. If you witnessed the Andy Allo reign of terror, you would know what I was talking about.

ETA: speaking only re the bolded part. That was nightmarish.

[Edited 2/18/19 11:40am]

Mumio said:

poppys said:

To be fair, I was not speaking generally. If you witnessed the Andy Allo reign of terror, you would know what I was talking about.

ETA: speaking only re the bolded part. That was nightmarish.

[Edited 2/18/19 11:40am]

I didn't experience that dynamic, and I respect others' opinions of that situation. However, I resent being lumped into that category. I would hardly compare my posts on this site to a "reign of terror".

Back to topic. I've heard a good acid trip can clear out the cobwebs.

poppys said:

Back to topic. I've heard a good acid trip can clear out the cobwebs.

I´ve read that , too. And it allegedly helps against depression. Shrooms, too.

I´ve never tried acid or mushrooms because I´m too worried about losing control and doing stupid stuff.

It´s surprising to me that Prince allegedly dabbled with acid, of all drugs. I mean sure, his heroes experiemented with acid but still....of all the drugs out there, it is in my opinion the least likely drug I´d have associated with Prince.

KoolEaze said:

poppys said:

Back to topic. I've heard a good acid trip can clear out the cobwebs.

I´ve read that , too. And it allegedly helps against depression. Shrooms, too.

I´ve never tried acid or mushrooms because I´m too worried about losing control and doing stupid stuff.

It´s surprising to me that Prince allegedly dabbled with acid, of all drugs. I mean sure, his heroes experiemented with acid but still....of all the drugs out there, it is in my opinion the least likely drug I´d have associated with Prince.

It seems, based on Susan Roger's story, and also Chaka Khan's, that it was an experimental and/or occasional situation. Based on the fact that he like to be in control of his environment, the amount of hours he worked, and the comments he made about keeping his head "clear", I would think he was not a regular user.

but i guess people will still try to dismiss ANY drug use.....

luvsexy4all said:

but i guess people will still try to dismiss ANY drug use.....

On the guise that it was 'experimental'.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

We were all doing acid in the early 80's.

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I'm not sure why people don't see him trying things out as something he absolutely would do/have done. You can do these things recreationally and not become an addict. Who wasn't trying these things out?

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

We were all doing acid in the early 80's.

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I'm not sure why people don't see him trying things out as something he absolutely would do/have done. You can do these things recreationally and not become an addict. Who wasn't trying these things out?

Uh..me.... I thought I was getting away with something by drinking beer and Boone's Farm. LOL

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

I'm not sure why people don't see him trying things out as something he absolutely would do/have done. You can do these things recreationally and not become an addict. Who wasn't trying these things out?

Uh..me.... I thought I was getting away with something by drinking beer and Boone's Farm. LOL

Well girl, I came from a small-town upbringing and made sure I tried out everything I could. That is the way people were back then for the most part. I am near P's age and can completely see him wanting to experiment with stuff like that....just like he did with sex All part of the growing up experience at that time. When were you born?

luvsexy4all said:

but i guess people will still try to dismiss ANY drug use.....

I don't think anyone's "dismissing" it, but it was extremely common, especially in Prince's generation, to have tried or occasionally used drugs in one form or another. This in no way translates to him being a "regular" drug user - at least not back in the earlier years. If he had been using acid or another similarly potent drug all the time he would not have had the career he had. No way.

violetcrush said:

I don't think anyone's "dismissing" it, but it was extremely common, especially in Prince's generation, to have tried or occasionally used drugs in one form or another. This in no way translates to him being a "regular" drug user - at least not back in the earlier years. If he had been using acid or another similarly potent drug all the time he would not have had the career he had. No way.

I'll be 56. And my mother thought I was the problem child.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Uh..me.... I thought I was getting away with something by drinking beer and Boone's Farm. LOL

Well girl, I came from a small-town upbringing and made sure I tried out everything I could. That is the way people were back then for the most part. I am near P's age and can completely see him wanting to experiment with stuff like that....just like he did with sex All part of the growing up experience at that time. When were you born?

PennyPurple said:

I'll be 56. And my mother thought I was the problem child.

Mumio said:

Well girl, I came from a small-town upbringing and made sure I tried out everything I could. That is the way people were back then for the most part. I am near P's age and can completely see him wanting to experiment with stuff like that....just like he did with sex All part of the growing up experience at that time. When were you born?

Hahahahahahahaha! I was the problem child for sure but never anything too bad. But I didn't follow the crowd and never have. Even now