It seems like some of u needs / wants Prince to be called/ named "a kind of drug addict" which he wasn't - ?



I am not trolling, it's just a huge surprise that some of u could even believe this,


Isn't it your own relation towards drugs you are projecting over on him, Prince??


Ok, I am not a psychologist, but to me, well I can't and I won't believe Susan Rogers,


She is remembering this wrong and it's not the first time she remembers something in "a different way".


After all it IS a very, very long time ago.


She is great allright, (I admire her) - but she remembers different thing that might not had happened, I can't and will never believe Prince taking drugs, no way..

Prince was focused on living a good and healthy life.. drugs is not included.


I am in denial here.. u could say.. well I believe the good, denies the bad..

Ps. This is/ was NOT a moral speech,


I just happen to hate everything about drugs, but I don't believe in God, it's not morality from me..


I just live my life 100 miles away from drugs, always did and always will..


God? well some could say my religion was and is ---> Prince!

thedance said:

It seems like some of u needs / wants Prince to be called/ named "a kind of drug addict" which he wasn't - ?



I am not trolling, it's just a huge surprise that some of u could even believe this,


Isn't it your own relation towards drugs you are projecting over on him, Prince??


Ok, I am not a psychologist, but to me, well I can't and I won't believe Susan Rogers,


She is remembering this wrong and it's not the first time she remembers something in "a different way".


After all it IS a very, very long time ago.


She is great allright, (I admire her) - but she remembers different thing that might not had happened, I can't and will never believe Prince taking drugs, no way..

Prince was focused on living a good and healthy life.. drugs is not included.


I am in denial here.. u could say.. well I believe the good, denies the bad..

I don't think Prince was a drug addict though, according to this story he tried hallucinogens once and hated it. It's not particularly decadent.

jaawwnn said:

thedance said:

It seems like some of u needs / wants Prince to be called/ named "a kind of drug addict" which he wasn't - ?



I am not trolling, it's just a huge surprise that some of u could even believe this,


Isn't it your own relation towards drugs you are projecting over on him, Prince??


Ok, I am not a psychologist, but to me, well I can't and I won't believe Susan Rogers,


She is remembering this wrong and it's not the first time she remembers something in "a different way".


After all it IS a very, very long time ago.


She is great allright, (I admire her) - but she remembers different thing that might not had happened, I can't and will never believe Prince taking drugs, no way..

Prince was focused on living a good and healthy life.. drugs is not included.


I am in denial here.. u could say.. well I believe the good, denies the bad..

I don't think Prince was a drug addict though, according to this story he tried hallucinogens once and hated it. It's not particularly decadent.

Right - this thread has gone from Susan's account of Prince telling her he tried acid once, because he had been studying Jimi Hendrix's life and music, and wanted to feel that experience (pun intended!) when creating his music - to Prince was most likely a regular drug user But it is understandable, because there were other instances of "episodes" with drugs, and then of course, how he passed.

*

I love, love, love Susan's stories and discussions. She is so articulate and engaging. Here are my favorite parts of that interview:

Q: When was it that you saw him at his most human? Where he was just a man.

*

A: "I can't say, because I was tempted to say, "in the studio" because that's when he was doing the thing he loved the most, but then I realized that was an ego-centric answer, because I pretty much only saw him when we were recording. There were exceptions - we had parties, things like that. We'd go to the movies together, ride around in the car, listening to music, so I've done other things wih him cerainly. The crew would play basketball and softball and thing like that, but if you ask that question to a girlfriend or to an ex-wife, if you ask that question to his business partners or to family members they'd have different answers then I. This is why I think it's very important that all of us talk about him and his story. I reallly desperately want a true picture of Prince to emerge. I'll tell you the Engineering perspective from the 80's, let Chris James , Dylan Dresdow, Femi Jya tell you the Engineering perspective form later in his life, let Peggy McCreary tell you that perspective from earlier. Let's hear from his romantic partners, and from his friends, let's hear from everybody, and then we'll know who the man was."

[Edited 1/29/19 8:06am]

[Edited 1/29/19 8:20am]

violetcrush said:

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Or, calling the band to the warehouse on Bobby's wedding day to record Empty Room.

*

So many stories like these to show how he expressed his emotions - through the music.

wtf?

total dick move..emotions my ass

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

*

Or, calling the band to the warehouse on Bobby's wedding day to record Empty Room.

*

So many stories like these to show how he expressed his emotions - through the music.

wtf?

total dick move..emotions my ass

Yes, it's a "dick" move, but it's an example of how he was inspired in the moment, and could not wait to get the music recorded - like if he waited any length of time the feeling would leave him, and he would not have the same level of inspiration to write/record the music. It was his verbal outlet.

violetcrush said:

rdhull said:

wtf?

total dick move..emotions my ass

Yes, it's a "dick" move, but it's an example of how he was inspired in the moment, and could not wait to get the music recorded - like if he waited any length of time the feeling would leave him, and he would not have the same level of inspiration to write/record the music. It was his verbal outlet.

Listen. Im not some newbie to the way of the world of Prince. Im rdull goddammit. Prince had a fuckin piano to get whatever he wants out and he was such the genius according to yall obsessed he could have done a whole song using a piece of paper and a paperclip. Having said that, I dont care what he was going though. Calling the band to reocrd on someones wedding day is inescusable(sp?). And before any of yall enablers start, I dont wanna hear no shit about being on retaner, being paid a salary and expectations of the job blah blah blah.

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, it's a "dick" move, but it's an example of how he was inspired in the moment, and could not wait to get the music recorded - like if he waited any length of time the feeling would leave him, and he would not have the same level of inspiration to write/record the music. It was his verbal outlet.

Listen. Im not some newbie to the way of the world of Prince. Im rdull goddammit. Prince had a fuckin piano to get whatever he wants out and he was such the genius according to yall obsessed he could have done a whole song using a piece of paper and a paperclip. Having said that, I dont care what he was going though. Calling the band to reocrd on someones wedding day is inescusable(sp?). And before any of yall enablers start, I dont wanna hear no shit about being on retaner, being paid a salary and expectations of the job blah blah blah.

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

violetcrush said:

rdhull said:

Listen. Im not some newbie to the way of the world of Prince. Im rdull goddammit. Prince had a fuckin piano to get whatever he wants out and he was such the genius according to yall obsessed he could have done a whole song using a piece of paper and a paperclip. Having said that, I dont care what he was going though. Calling the band to reocrd on someones wedding day is inescusable(sp?). And before any of yall enablers start, I dont wanna hear no shit about being on retaner, being paid a salary and expectations of the job blah blah blah.

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

Next time just say "Agreed" when I state something

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

Next time just say "Agreed" when I state something

violetcrush = flyonthewall

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

Next time just say "Agreed" when I state something

I certainly will, unless I feel compelled to add something to the conversation

*

I thought the quip about the Camel was a fun touch. Oh well...

poppys said:

rdhull said:

Next time just say "Agreed" when I state something

violetcrush = flyonthewall

Oh wow poppys, now you are taking digs too?? I thought we were on the same track. I guess positions change quickly 'round here

chill factor

[Edited 1/29/19 9:12am]

rdhull said:

chill factor

[Edited 1/29/19 9:12am]

I'm chill and pretty laid back. I just enjoy the "cyber conversations"

violetcrush said:

poppys said:

violetcrush = flyonthewall

Oh wow poppys, now you are taking digs too?? I thought we were on the same track. I guess positions change quickly 'round here

I'm on yer track. All I'm saying is that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. My expectations are low with that level of obsession even though I can enjoy some posts.

violetcrush said:

rdhull said:

Listen. Im not some newbie to the way of the world of Prince. Im rdull goddammit. Prince had a fuckin piano to get whatever he wants out and he was such the genius according to yall obsessed he could have done a whole song using a piece of paper and a paperclip. Having said that, I dont care what he was going though. Calling the band to reocrd on someones wedding day is inescusable(sp?). And before any of yall enablers start, I dont wanna hear no shit about being on retaner, being paid a salary and expectations of the job blah blah blah.

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world :-) And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

It stayed in the vault for a long, long time.

Great song, sure.....but why ruin someone´s wedding for it?

poppys said:

violetcrush said:

Oh wow poppys, now you are taking digs too?? I thought we were on the same track. I guess positions change quickly 'round here

I'm on yer track. All I'm saying is that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. My expectations are low with that level of obsession even though I can enjoy some posts.

Trust me - no obsession here. Just defending my thoughts and opnions when attacked about them. Lots and lots of attacking and petty comments on cerain threads when they pertain to certain associates/girlfriends, and it seems that has been the case for years from the many older threads I've reviewed. It also seems to have gotten worse in more recent years.

KoolEaze said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world :-) And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

It stayed in the vault for a long, long time.

Great song, sure.....but why ruin someone´s wedding for it?

At least he waited until the vows were done Just kidding...I agree.

I´m surprised that she didn´t mention how she got some food from the venue workers at the Superdome in Louisiana for him while he was recording 4 The Tears In Your Eyes inside the Superdome.

Are you familiar with that story? I´m sure you are.

She got Prince some sandwiches and lukewarm cola because he was hungry and they couldn´t go outside so she asked some of the staff if they had some food and beverages for Prince.

In my opinion that story shows how humble , down to earth , hardworking and grateful Prince could be at times. When I first read that little anecdote I was very suprised that he would even eat some sandwiches from strangers. Sure, he´d eat sandwiches from restaurants and delis, too, and order Jamba Juice and stuff, but still......taking some homemade sandwiches from some dudes is a whole different thing. Whenever I think of Prince´s human sides this story is something that immediately comes to (my) mind.

violetcrush said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't think Prince was a drug addict though, according to this story he tried hallucinogens once and hated it. It's not particularly decadent.

Right - this thread has gone from Susan's account of Prince telling her he tried acid once, because he had been studying Jimi Hendrix's life and music, and wanted to feel that experience (pun intended!) when creating his music - to Prince was most likely a regular drug user But it is understandable, because there were other instances of "episodes" with drugs, and then of course, how he passed.

*

I love, love, love Susan's stories and discussions. She is so articulate and engaging. Here are my favorite parts of that interview:

Q: When was it that you saw him at his most human? Where he was just a man.

*

A: "I can't say, because I was tempted to say, "in the studio" because that's when he was doing the thing he loved the most, but then I realized that was an ego-centric answer, because I pretty much only saw him when we were recording. There were exceptions - we had parties, things like that. We'd go to the movies together, ride around in the car, listening to music, so I've done other things wih him cerainly. The crew would play basketball and softball and thing like that, but if you ask that question to a girlfriend or to an ex-wife, if you ask that question to his business partners or to family members they'd have different answers then I. This is why I think it's very important that all of us talk about him and his story. I reallly desperately want a true picture of Prince to emerge. I'll tell you the Engineering perspective from the 80's, let Chris James , Dylan Dresdow, Femi Jya tell you the Engineering perspective form later in his life, let Peggy McCreary tell you that perspective from earlier. Let's hear from his romantic partners, and from his friends, let's hear from everybody, and then we'll know who the man was."

[Edited 1/29/19 8:06am]

[Edited 1/29/19 8:20am]

violetcrush said:

poppys said:

I'm on yer track. All I'm saying is that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. My expectations are low with that level of obsession even though I can enjoy some posts.

Trust me - no obsession here. Just defending my thoughts and opnions when attacked about them. Lots and lots of attacking and petty comments on cerain threads when they pertain to certain associates/girlfriends, and it seems that has been the case for years from the many older threads I've reviewed. It also seems to have gotten worse in more recent years.

The problem is, constant posting on so many threads dilutes what is said with the same ol' same permutations and convolutions of the material at hand.

Not to mention the constant take of what Prince was thinking personally, industry & career wise, which is pretty laughable sometimes. I'm his age, we didn't grow up glued to a device or a give a rat's ass what the billboard charts said every minute, trust me on that.

KoolEaze said:

I´m surprised that she didn´t mention how she got some food from the venue workers at the Superdome in Louisiana for him while he was recording 4 The Tears In Your Eyes inside the Superdome.

Are you familiar with that story? I´m sure you are.

She got Prince some sandwiches and lukewarm cola because he was hungry and they couldn´t go outside so she asked some of the staff if they had some food and beverages for Prince.

In my opinion that story shows how humble , down to earth , hardworking and grateful Prince could be at times. When I first read that little anecdote I was very suprised that he would even eat some sandwiches from strangers. Sure, he´d eat sandwiches from restaurants and delis, too, and order Jamba Juice and stuff, but still......taking some homemade sandwiches from some dudes is a whole different thing. Whenever I think of Prince´s human sides this story is something that immediately comes to (my) mind.

violetcrush said:

Right - this thread has gone from Susan's account of Prince telling her he tried acid once, because he had been studying Jimi Hendrix's life and music, and wanted to feel that experience (pun intended!) when creating his music - to Prince was most likely a regular drug user But it is understandable, because there were other instances of "episodes" with drugs, and then of course, how he passed.

*

I love, love, love Susan's stories and discussions. She is so articulate and engaging. Here are my favorite parts of that interview:

Q: When was it that you saw him at his most human? Where he was just a man.

*

A: "I can't say, because I was tempted to say, "in the studio" because that's when he was doing the thing he loved the most, but then I realized that was an ego-centric answer, because I pretty much only saw him when we were recording. There were exceptions - we had parties, things like that. We'd go to the movies together, ride around in the car, listening to music, so I've done other things wih him cerainly. The crew would play basketball and softball and thing like that, but if you ask that question to a girlfriend or to an ex-wife, if you ask that question to his business partners or to family members they'd have different answers then I. This is why I think it's very important that all of us talk about him and his story. I reallly desperately want a true picture of Prince to emerge. I'll tell you the Engineering perspective from the 80's, let Chris James , Dylan Dresdow, Femi Jya tell you the Engineering perspective form later in his life, let Peggy McCreary tell you that perspective from earlier. Let's hear from his romantic partners, and from his friends, let's hear from everybody, and then we'll know who the man was."

[Edited 1/29/19 8:06am]

[Edited 1/29/19 8:20am]

Yes, I did read that story in Alan Light's book, and loved it. She was so mad when she found out that all of the musicians were enjoying champagne and caviar while singing to fight world hunger, and Prince was up all night recording his song with nothing but stale bread and soda. Great story.

*

I believe I read that at some point he did start to become more cautious of taking food from strangers or restaurants. This may have been just before that started.

Oh, I didn´t know it´s in Alan Light´s book. Matter of fact, I don´t even know if I own that book but if memory serves me right I bought it last year and just haven´t had the time to read it yet. I bought quite a bunch of Prince related books last year.

I read this in an old issue of Uptown magazine . (? ) But I´m not sure.

violetcrush said:

KoolEaze said:

I´m surprised that she didn´t mention how she got some food from the venue workers at the Superdome in Louisiana for him while he was recording 4 The Tears In Your Eyes inside the Superdome.

Are you familiar with that story? I´m sure you are.

She got Prince some sandwiches and lukewarm cola because he was hungry and they couldn´t go outside so she asked some of the staff if they had some food and beverages for Prince.

In my opinion that story shows how humble , down to earth , hardworking and grateful Prince could be at times. When I first read that little anecdote I was very suprised that he would even eat some sandwiches from strangers. Sure, he´d eat sandwiches from restaurants and delis, too, and order Jamba Juice and stuff, but still......taking some homemade sandwiches from some dudes is a whole different thing. Whenever I think of Prince´s human sides this story is something that immediately comes to (my) mind.

Yes, I did read that story in Alan Light's book, and loved it. She was so mad when she found out that all of the musicians were enjoying champagne and caviar while singing to fight world hunger, and Prince was up all night recording his song with nothing but stale bread and soda. Great story.

*

I believe I read that at some point he did start to become more cautious of taking food from strangers or restaurants. This may have been just before that started.

poppys said:

violetcrush said:

Trust me - no obsession here. Just defending my thoughts and opnions when attacked about them. Lots and lots of attacking and petty comments on cerain threads when they pertain to certain associates/girlfriends, and it seems that has been the case for years from the many older threads I've reviewed. It also seems to have gotten worse in more recent years.

The problem is, constant posting on so many threads dilutes what is said with the same ol' same permutations and convolutions of the material at hand.

Not to mention the constant take of what Prince was thinking personally, industry & career wise, which is pretty laughable sometimes. I'm his age, we didn't grow up glued to a device or a give a rat's ass what the billboard charts said every minute, trust me on that.

Right, but if the thread is directly related to a specific person or topic than it makes sense that some of the information will be repeated based on another's view or opinion about that person if/when it differs from my own. That's just conversation. However, it's clear when another's post is just a blatant attack or petty remark, and you'll find many of them on threads about specific people.

*

If you look at my thread activity it shows that I comment on a myriad of topics, people, events related to Prince and his music. Not just only one.

*

I hate to say it, but I'm not far behind you age-wise, so I know how times were back then. I did not grow up with computers, cell phones, or even fax machines. All my phones were attached to cords, and we only had 3 TV stations

*

My "take" on Prince's thoughts is not coming from thin air. It's a combination of becoming familiar with his and his associates'/friends' interviews, all of the Biographic information, and most importantly, interpreting his lyrics - which I know is subjective, but can often more easily be understood by what he was doing and who he was with at that time.

*

I think as time moves on, things in and about his life will become clearer in order to know him better, or at least that's what I hope will happen.

^^ I rest my case for now.

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I know you're a long-time fan and know the Prince world And I do agree that it was truly self-centered and in bad form...BUT...it did produce one of his most iconic and heart-wrenching love songs, so at least it has that special connection

*

My guess is - and certainly not "enabling" his bad choice here - that he "saw/heard" the full band vison/sound in his head from the start, and knew that he needed them there for their contributions.

*

At any rate, it's probably the beginning of the snowball that became, "hey, it's 3:00am in the middle of Winter in MN, but I need someone to bring me a Camel so I can shoot this video..."

Next time just say "Agreed" when I state something

Agreed!

poppys said:

^^ I rest my case for now.

poppys said:

violetcrush said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't think Prince was a drug addict though, according to this story he tried hallucinogens once and hated it. It's not particularly decadent.

Right - this thread has gone from Susan's account of Prince telling her he tried acid once, because he had been studying Jimi Hendrix's life and music, and wanted to feel that experience (pun intended!) when creating his music - to Prince was most likely a regular drug user But it is understandable, because there were other instances of "episodes" with drugs, and then of course, how he passed.

*

I love, love, love Susan's stories and discussions. She is so articulate and engaging. Here are my favorite parts of that interview:

Q: When was it that you saw him at his most human? Where he was just a man.

*

A: "I can't say, because I was tempted to say, "in the studio" because that's when he was doing the thing he loved the most, but then I realized that was an ego-centric answer, because I pretty much only saw him when we were recording. There were exceptions - we had parties, things like that. We'd go to the movies together, ride around in the car, listening to music, so I've done other things wih him cerainly. The crew would play basketball and softball and thing like that, but if you ask that question to a girlfriend or to an ex-wife, if you ask that question to his business partners or to family members they'd have different answers then I. This is why I think it's very important that all of us talk about him and his story. I reallly desperately want a true picture of Prince to emerge. I'll tell you the Engineering perspective from the 80's, let Chris James , Dylan Dresdow, Femi Jya tell you the Engineering perspective form later in his life, let Peggy McCreary tell you that perspective from earlier. Let's hear from his romantic partners, and from his friends, let's hear from everybody, and then we'll know who the man was."

[Edited 1/29/19 8:06am]

[Edited 1/29/19 8:20am]

And Duane Tudahl is doing precisely this. An immense task.
Susan's cool, as always.

bonatoc said:

thedance said:

It seems like some of u needs / wants Prince to be called/ named "a kind of drug addict" which he wasn't - ?



I am not trolling, it's just a huge surprise that some of u could even believe this,


Isn't it your own relation towards drugs you are projecting over on him, Prince??


Ok, I am not a psychologist, but to me, well I can't and I won't believe Susan Rogers,


She is remembering this wrong and it's not the first time she remembers something in "a different way".


After all it IS a very, very long time ago.


She is great allright, (I admire her) - but she remembers different thing that might not had happened, I can't and will never believe Prince taking drugs, no way..

Prince was focused on living a good and healthy life.. drugs is not included.


I am in denial here.. u could say.. well I believe the good, denies the bad..

Well, on that same Nile river with you. That's why I haven't commented on the connection to Prince, but rather the psychedlics themselves. They have been shown to have a lot of medicinal qualities, and are effective for treating mental illness (depression, PTSD, complex PTSD, anxiety, substance abuse, alcoholism, and I'm sure that as they study it, they may find more and more that it treats effectively, and in some cases better than conventional medicine).

Whether or not Prince did psychedelics, doesn't matter. It would not have led to his addiction (psychedlics are not addictive) and in many instances, open one to a Divine experience, from everything I've read. (I've never tried them, but when my complex PTSD has kicked in, I have considered it). And I've read quite a few testimonials of people that were changed from a single usage.

I think in the traditional sense of what a drug is considered, mushrooms, at least, cannot be considered that. As for LSD, the chemical composition and the fact that it is man made, would lean me toward it being a drug, but the effects, the lack of addiction (or overdose) also points to something that is "non-drug" to me. Most drugs have the potential to be misused, abused, addictive, and can cause someone to overdose, in my mind, but psychedelics do not do that, so I tend to view them through a different lense.