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Reply #30 posted 01/15/19 5:05pm

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onlyforaminute said:

herb4 said:


There's nothing wrong with trying out drugs on occasion. I've tried several.

Opiates are tricky and nasty though. Highly addictive and can beat anyone. Always drew the line at that stuff for that reason.

As for the story, I can totally believe he tried it but, more to the point, I can see why he didn't like it. Acid is not the best experience for those types that demand total control.

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yeahthat


I think opiates give one the sense they are in 100% control until they find out too late they don't.


Well, there's a euphoria there that offers a sense of calm and well being which can also increase confidence. They also chemically rewire your brain though which induces withdrawals once dependency has taken hold. Depending on how much Prince was taking, Vicodin or something close wouldn't render him debilitated or inoperable but, if his dose increased over time, he would become physically addicted which I'm pretty sure is what happened.

I wouldn't doubt for a second Prince took a trip or two.

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Reply #31 posted 01/15/19 6:58pm

nelcp777

herb4 said:

onlyforaminute said:



yeahthat


I think opiates give one the sense they are in 100% control until they find out too late they don't.


Well, there's a euphoria there that offers a sense of calm and well being which can also increase confidence. They also chemically rewire your brain though which induces withdrawals once dependency has taken hold. Depending on how much Prince was taking, Vicodin or something close wouldn't render him debilitated or inoperable but, if his dose increased over time, he would become physically addicted which I'm pretty sure is what happened.

I wouldn't doubt for a second Prince took a trip or two.

He had to, Crystal Ball sounds like a trip to me. And a good one from the track!

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Reply #32 posted 01/15/19 9:20pm

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nelcp777 said:



herb4 said:




onlyforaminute said:





yeahthat


I think opiates give one the sense they are in 100% control until they find out too late they don't.




Well, there's a euphoria there that offers a sense of calm and well being which can also increase confidence. They also chemically rewire your brain though which induces withdrawals once dependency has taken hold. Depending on how much Prince was taking, Vicodin or something close wouldn't render him debilitated or inoperable but, if his dose increased over time, he would become physically addicted which I'm pretty sure is what happened.

I wouldn't doubt for a second Prince took a trip or two.



He had to, Crystal Ball sounds like a trip to me. And a good one from the track!


I've always thought the same thing - Crystal Ball is trippy.
Drug use is rampant in the music industry/business. It's a wonder Prince wasn't more into that scene. These one-off stories about a trip on this or that barely registers.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #33 posted 01/15/19 10:32pm

SoulAlive

luvsexy4all said:

intrviewer: Do u do drugs?


Prince: "I like all experiences" .... melody maker or NME



I remember that interview and I was shocked that he answered the question that way
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Reply #34 posted 01/16/19 3:16am

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SoulAlive said:

luvsexy4all said:

intrviewer: Do u do drugs?

Prince: "I like all experiences" .... melody maker or NME

I remember that interview and I was shocked that he answered the question that way

Yeah, I don't agree, but I love him.

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Reply #35 posted 01/16/19 4:26am

PURPLEIZED3121

luvsexy4all said:

intrviewer: Do u do drugs?

Prince: "I like all experiences" .... melody maker or NME

NME - never forget that interview. Nearly fell off my chair on reading his answer!

It was just after the Brit Awards - single word speech!! + SLAVE on his cheek. Remember a member of BLUR wrote DAVE on his cheek!! lol

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Reply #36 posted 01/16/19 4:38am

poppys

herb4 said:

There's nothing wrong with trying out drugs on occasion. I've tried several.

Opiates are tricky and nasty though. Highly addictive and can beat anyone. Always drew the line at that stuff for that reason.

As for the story, I can totally believe he tried it but, more to the point, I can see why he didn't like it. Acid is not the best experience for those types that demand total control.


I was thinking the same thing.

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Reply #37 posted 01/16/19 7:41am

steakfinger

rdhull said:

BEAUGARDE said:

Prince said she doesn't know shit (lol)

the end

And Prince was wrong per usual.

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Reply #38 posted 01/16/19 8:07am

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KoolEaze said:

PennyPurple said:

Imagine that....he didn't live the drug free life like everybody believed.


Next thing you know, they'll be telling us he was a meat eater.

I don´t believe that he never took drugs (except for that infamous ecstacy trip before he created Lovesexy) but I doubt that he did any drugs regularly.

It´s a bitter irony that most news outlets still make it look as if he was into drugs and overdosed. It just sounds wrong and incorrect to me. I think there´s a difference between being dependent on painkillers and dying from a mislabeled pill as compared to, say, the drug habits of Motley Crue or other rockstars.

Who are ALL still ALIVE except for one. sad

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #39 posted 01/16/19 8:21am

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steakfinger said:

rdhull said:

the end

And Prince was wrong per usual.

lol..I know he has slyly changed things and how and what the meaning of songs and sources are, but Rogers isnt his limbic system.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #40 posted 01/16/19 8:56am

Musze

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herb4 said:

KoolEaze said:

That´s one reason why I´ve never tried LSD or mushrooms....the lack of control and the unpredictable effects. I´m surprised to see a huge comeback of psychedelic drugs these days, such as mushrooms, LSD and that vomit inducing plant that is so popular these days (ayahuasca?).

I can´t imagine Prince using such drugs more than once. wink


From a safety standpoinbt, psychadelics are extremely low risk provided you're in a safe environment and dont's try to drive or something. AS far as harm to you body, long term abuse or addicitve tendencies, you're good and, believe it or not, there's been some success treating depression and ptsd with them. They CAN open doors and widen a person's perceptions in lasting ways so in a certain sense I can see a positive in their increasing popularity.

BEtter than alcohol, coke, heroin and many legal pills.

AMEN.

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Reply #41 posted 01/16/19 9:06am

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I really wish she would write a book. She speaks so eloqently about him, and provides such an insight.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #42 posted 01/16/19 9:17am

dandan

Susan is my FAVOURITE person to listen to talk about Prince.

I got two sides... and they're both friends.
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Reply #43 posted 01/16/19 10:26am

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dandan said:

Susan is my FAVOURITE person to listen to talk about Prince.

Morris Hayes is mine. Then Susan.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #44 posted 01/16/19 1:58pm

bonatoc

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SoulAlive said:

luvsexy4all said:

intrviewer: Do u do drugs?

Prince: "I like all experiences" .... melody maker or NME

I remember that interview and I was shocked that he answered the question that way


Why? It's not a "yes". It's not a "no".
It's the typical cryptic Prince answer, meaning nothing and everything,
designed to mess up with your mind and stir controversy.

Sounds like a question written by Steve Fargnoli. I worked for a wrecka company,
you wouldn't believe of much of it all is staged to make kids dream
about revolutions (and buy the goddamn record).

The famous 1985 MTV interview in Nice, there's absolutely nothing spontaneous about it.
All this shit was screened and prepared, probably since the day a french journalist
asked Prince about his parents, making him so upset he leaved the table without finishing his dinner.

Heck, probably since the American Bandstand (lucky) debacle.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #45 posted 01/16/19 2:18pm

bonatoc

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sonshine said:

nelcp777 said:

He had to, Crystal Ball sounds like a trip to me. And a good one from the track!

I've always thought the same thing - Crystal Ball is trippy. Drug use is rampant in the music industry/business. It's a wonder Prince wasn't more into that scene. These one-off stories about a trip on this or that barely registers.


The ones who imagine Prince taking drugs during a recording session fool themselves big time.
Wanna hear some stoned funk? Try Sly's There's A Riot Going On.
Now that's some drugged-up clavinet.

Ain't no way you can play as tight as Prince while high, especially not the rythmic tracks on "Crystal Ball",
with all these time signature changes, triplets, stop-and-go's, sextolets and shit.
Any musician who tried will tell you: while you certainly can play while high,
it's going to be either too loose, or too frantic. Which can serve the purpose.
But it won't have the laser-like precision in the groove that is typical from Prince.

You can snore cocaine and record Tusk, but it's going to take months of overdubs collage and editing.
Or you can have a big reefer and record in a half-asleep state.
Or take a big acid and come up with such abominations it requires a big acid to bear them.
Or take amphetamins and go for 1999 BPMs.

Prince's rhythmic tracks are, for the vast majority,
FIRST and ONLY takes. Quick, we have overdubs to do.
Hence the inexplicable recording pace.
Good luck filling the Vault while on psychotropes.
It would be a 10th, probably much less, of the size it is.


[Edited 1/16/19 14:22pm]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #46 posted 01/16/19 4:47pm

rednblue

bonatoc said:

sonshine said:

nelcp777 said: I've always thought the same thing - Crystal Ball is trippy. Drug use is rampant in the music industry/business. It's a wonder Prince wasn't more into that scene. These one-off stories about a trip on this or that barely registers.


The ones who imagine Prince taking drugs during a recording session fool themselves big time.
Wanna hear some stoned funk? Try Sly's There's A Riot Going On.
Now that's some drugged-up clavinet.

Ain't no way you can play as tight as Prince while high, especially not the rythmic tracks on "Crystal Ball",
with all these time signature changes, triplets, stop-and-go's, sextolets and shit.
Any musician who tried will tell you: while you certainly can play while high,
it's going to be either too loose, or too frantic. Which can serve the purpose.
But it won't have the laser-like precision in the groove that is typical from Prince.

You can snore cocaine and record Tusk, but it's going to take months of overdubs collage and editing.
Or you can have a big reefer and record in a half-asleep state.
Or take a big acid and come up with such abominations it requires a big acid to bear them.
Or take amphetamins and go for 1999 BPMs.

Prince's rhythmic tracks are, for the vast majority,
FIRST and ONLY takes. Quick, we have overdubs to do.
Hence the inexplicable recording pace.
Good luck filling the Vault while on psychotropes.
It would be a 10th, probably much less, of the size it is.


[Edited 1/16/19 14:22pm]


Not sure if you were saying this, but just want to point out that sonshine didn't refer to being high during a recording session, and also didn't say that she imagined P being high while playing Crystal Ball.

Of course, I should let her speak for herself as to what she was thinking about. It's just that you gave a specific example of tripping while recording. A track with a connection to drugs could be made wih the "under the influence" at any stage of creation. Also, at no stage of creation, in that it might be a track inspired by an earlier drug experience.

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Reply #47 posted 01/16/19 5:15pm

rednblue

bonatoc said:

SoulAlive said:

luvsexy4all said: I remember that interview and I was shocked that he answered the question that way


Why? It's not a "yes". It's not a "no".
It's the typical cryptic Prince answer, meaning nothing and everything,
designed to mess up with your mind and stir controversy.

Sounds like a question written by Steve Fargnoli. I worked for a wrecka company,
you wouldn't believe of much of it all is staged to make kids dream
about revolutions (and buy the goddamn record).

The famous 1985 MTV interview in Nice, there's absolutely nothing spontaneous about it.
All this shit was screened and prepared, probably since the day a french journalist
asked Prince about his parents, making him so upset he leaved the table without finishing his dinner.

Heck, probably since the American Bandstand (lucky) debacle.


Yes!

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Reply #48 posted 01/16/19 8:02pm

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rednblue said:

bonatoc said:


The ones who imagine Prince taking drugs during a recording session fool themselves big time.
Wanna hear some stoned funk? Try Sly's There's A Riot Going On.
Now that's some drugged-up clavinet.

Ain't no way you can play as tight as Prince while high, especially not the rythmic tracks on "Crystal Ball",
with all these time signature changes, triplets, stop-and-go's, sextolets and shit.
Any musician who tried will tell you: while you certainly can play while high,
it's going to be either too loose, or too frantic. Which can serve the purpose.
But it won't have the laser-like precision in the groove that is typical from Prince.

You can snore cocaine and record Tusk, but it's going to take months of overdubs collage and editing.
Or you can have a big reefer and record in a half-asleep state.
Or take a big acid and come up with such abominations it requires a big acid to bear them.
Or take amphetamins and go for 1999 BPMs.

Prince's rhythmic tracks are, for the vast majority,
FIRST and ONLY takes. Quick, we have overdubs to do.
Hence the inexplicable recording pace.
Good luck filling the Vault while on psychotropes.
It would be a 10th, probably much less, of the size it is.


[Edited 1/16/19 14:22pm]


Not sure if you were saying this, but just want to point out that sonshine didn't refer to being high during a recording session, and also didn't say that she imagined P being high while playing Crystal Ball.

Of course, I should let her speak for herself as to what she was thinking about. It's just that you gave a specific example of tripping while recording. A track with a connection to drugs could be made wih the "under the influence" at any stage of creation. Also, at no stage of creation, in that it might be a track inspired by an earlier drug experience.



Dear rednblue, I seldom post to contradict an orger. I was just chiming in.
Maybe I shouldn't have hit "reply", I was just bouncing on what sonshine said.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #49 posted 01/16/19 8:48pm

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bonatoc said:

SoulAlive said:

luvsexy4all said: I remember that interview and I was shocked that he answered the question that way


Why? It's not a "yes". It's not a "no".
It's the typical cryptic Prince answer, meaning nothing and everything,
designed to mess up with your mind and stir controversy.

Sounds like a "Yes" to me.

What?
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Reply #50 posted 01/17/19 3:06am

dodger

bonatoc said:

SoulAlive said:

luvsexy4all said: I remember that interview and I was shocked that he answered the question that way


Why? It's not a "yes". It's not a "no".
It's the typical cryptic Prince answer, meaning nothing and everything,
designed to mess up with your mind and stir controversy.

Exactly how I read it

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Reply #51 posted 01/17/19 4:26am

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Board as a stone in a rainstorm? or Boy loses girl in a rainstorm?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #52 posted 01/17/19 5:05am

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dodger said:

bonatoc said:


Why? It's not a "yes". It's not a "no".
It's the typical cryptic Prince answer, meaning nothing and everything,
designed to mess up with your mind and stir controversy.

Exactly how I read it


"Honey, did you take my credit cards and go to the mall, and shop up?

Darling, I like all experiences."

lol neutral

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Reply #53 posted 01/17/19 5:05am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Board as a stone in a rainstorm? or Boy loses girl in a rainstorm?

What?
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Reply #54 posted 01/17/19 5:17am

dodger

iZsaZsa said:

dodger said:

Exactly how I read it


"Honey, did you take my credit cards and go to the mall, and shop up?

Darling, I like all experiences."

lol neutral

lol

But you know he'd talk in riddles and give strange answers.

.

Also, this was one of those interviews were the journalist was not allowed a pen, paper, recorder so could have well got twisted/be bullshit.

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Reply #55 posted 01/17/19 5:28am

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dodger said:

iZsaZsa said:


"Honey, did you take my credit cards and go to the mall, and shop up?

Darling, I like all experiences."

lol neutral

lol

But you know he'd talk in riddles and give strange answers.

.

Also, this was one of those interviews were the journalist was not allowed a pen, paper, recorder so could have well got twisted/be bullshit.

True. smile

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Reply #56 posted 01/17/19 5:29am

poppys

Melody Maker and NME are both music magazines, right?

People don't answer literally to reporters question's like do u like drugs? C'mon. What a stupid question in the first place. Y'all are reading tea that's not there.

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Reply #57 posted 01/17/19 5:36am

endiadj

steakfinger said:



rdhull said:




BEAUGARDE said:


Prince said she doesn't know shit (lol)



the end




And Prince was wrong per usual.


How is he wrong about his own life?
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Reply #58 posted 01/17/19 7:25am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I really wish she would write a book. She speaks so eloqently about him, and provides such an insight.

And respectful too, always respectful and in awe of his talent, drive and ability.

.

She always qualifies what she says with the fact that she is giving her experience of her time with working with him, and no more. If she talks about something outside of her time, she says so - as she does here about Moonbeam Levels, she explicitly states it's a story that was relayed to her because the song was recorded before her time with him.

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And that is why Prince was incorrect to say she knows "nothing about his music" - which is the quote iirc. She doesn't claim to be in his head, she's just giving her opinion and her life experience. And whoever it is be it Wendy & Lisa, Alan Leeds, Shelby, Morris Hayes, even his hairdresser - it's their life experience and they can freely share it as they please. Unless they are saying something factually incorrect - they DO know something, because it's their life.

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[Edited 1/17/19 7:33am]

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Reply #59 posted 01/17/19 7:31am

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NouveauDance said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I really wish she would write a book. She speaks so eloqently about him, and provides such an insight.

And respectful too, always respectful and in awe of his talent, drive and ability.

.

She always qualifies what she says with the fact that she is giving her experience of her time with working with him, and no more. If she talks about something outside of her time, she says so - as she does here about Moonbeam Levels, she explicitly stats it's a story that was relayed to her because the song was recorded before her time with him.

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[Edited 1/17/19 7:27am]

agree 1000% she is absolutely top shelf class. and a book would be incredible.

she is also clearly a super genius herself with a savant like reference to music.

I deeply enjoy her comments.

Music is the best...
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