PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

I checked it out....and was impressed by what he's done and said here. Thanks Penny

I get the drift but still thought it kinda strange and really sad in a way.

PennyPurple said:

Dimitri10 said:

I reakon he has revealed to authorities what went down to clear his name

No he hasn't. He only gave them that initial interview. He lawyered up and hasn't spoke with them since. Meron either. They tried to make contact with Phaedra too, and it was a no go.

Yeah thats what "we know"

Dimitri10 said:

PennyPurple said:

No he hasn't. He only gave them that initial interview. He lawyered up and hasn't spoke with them since. Meron either. They tried to make contact with Phaedra too, and it was a no go.

Yeah thats what "we know"

We sure do, from Metz, himself..

PennyPurple said:

Dimitri10 said:

Yeah thats what "we know"

We sure do, from Metz, himself..

And you believe that?

Dimitri10 said:

PennyPurple said:

We sure do, from Metz, himself..

And you believe that?

Yes I do. KJ, Phaedra, Meron. MIA

So then, if the CVS bottles were older than Atlanta, then that implies to me that Prince had been using fentanyl for a longer period than thought. Perhaps the reason there was not any fentanyl in the blood test on the 20th was because Prince went back to dialud and took the last of it since it was not found in the initial CC search?

Residents of Chanhassen had begun talking of suicide right after P passed. I would imagine a local source would have been revealed, but I could be wrong. The dark web makes a great, intriguing source, but the financial records were looked at. They were not released per the withheld list of documents. At some point, wouldn't an account be needed for Bitcoin?

I mean shit, Patrick Cousins took money from Prince and the SA caught onto it, not Prince.

I see why Kirk lawyered up along with Phaedra. Kirk has a vault too, and KAJ productions is getting paid. Phaedra got her cut, but not her waiver.

The bag that contained the CVS bottles, I wonder when was the last time Prince used that bag for travel. Hell, if he went to Atlanta for 1 night, why would he need so many bottles?

The DEA never releases the shipping info to the Country Inn. Prince did spend a lot of time in LA, perhaps that was his source?

Maybe around 2014 - 2015 he went from dialud and vicodin to fentanyl? Perhaps that explains the rapid change in appearance? Thoughts anyone?

nelcp777 said:

So then, if the CVS bottles were older than Atlanta, then that implies to me that Prince had been using fentanyl for a longer period than thought. Perhaps the reason there was not any fentanyl in the blood test on the 20th was because Prince went back to dialud and took the last of it since it was not found in the initial CC search?

Residents of Chanhassen had begun talking of suicide right after P passed. I would imagine a local source would have been revealed, but I could be wrong. The dark web makes a great, intriguing source, but the financial records were looked at. They were not released per the withheld list of documents. At some point, wouldn't an account be needed for Bitcoin?

I mean shit, Patrick Cousins took money from Prince and the SA caught onto it, not Prince.

I see why Kirk lawyered up along with Phaedra. Kirk has a vault too, and KAJ productions is getting paid. Phaedra got her cut, but not her waiver.

The bag that contained the CVS bottles, I wonder when was the last time Prince used that bag for travel. Hell, if he went to Atlanta for 1 night, why would he need so many bottles?

The DEA never releases the shipping info to the Country Inn. Prince did spend a lot of time in LA, perhaps that was his source?

Maybe around 2014 - 2015 he went from dialud and vicodin to fentanyl? Perhaps that explains the rapid change in appearance? Thoughts anyone?

1. I believe Prince was dosing accordingly. That is not to say that he was using fentanyl for longer or shorter periods than suggested , only that he used it according to mood and trigger.

2. Fentanyl was not found in the test on the 20th, but the amount of hydrocodone and hydromorphone is something to further discuss. A trade off of sorts. What this really tells me is that he never stopped doing anything after Moline .

3. A local source can be just as clandestine as a lab in China. With such large amounts found, and more pointedly, a consistent chemical composition of each drug analyzed, this was not a random event that materialized overnight. It seems rather planned out to me.

4. Dark web still has its trails. Too many hoops for Prince, who by all accounts, would rather have things done for him once he decides on what he wants.

5. If my name was Kirk, I would have done exactly the same thing in retaining the services of counsel. LE is notorious for using anything you say against you . Smart move.

6. The bag ( as in the black bag) was not filled with pills, I don't think. It was the suitcase(s) that had the majority of pills ( specifically the fentanyl mixed with lidocaine). I think the bag had one remaining loose yellow pill in it. We should confirm that.

7. As for sourcing, it could be L.A., or, it could have been the town over . It's the $64,000 dollar question.

8. As for apperance, I think one should expect to see drastic changes in weight, apperance, mood swings, etc. as the addiction progresses.

* If you figure out the fatal baseline for hydrocodone and hydromorphone,( as in how much would be considered fatal in ng/ml , that might give us some insight into the very night prior to his death. According to the report, those were the two drugs that were found in his sytem when the he took the test on the 20th. Results were published on the 25th.

The report states the following :

"In observing the lab orders from Prince's visit with Dr. Schulenberg on 4-20-16( the night prior to his death), the test results showed Prince tested positive for opiates, both Hydrocodone (253 ng/ml) and hydromoprhone (87ng/ml). Detective Nelson contacted North Memorial to inquire about the blood sample taken from Prince on 4-20-16".

[Edited 2/19/19 19:22pm]

Menes said:

nelcp777 said:

So then, if the CVS bottles were older than Atlanta, then that implies to me that Prince had been using fentanyl for a longer period than thought. Perhaps the reason there was not any fentanyl in the blood test on the 20th was because Prince went back to dialud and took the last of it since it was not found in the initial CC search?

Residents of Chanhassen had begun talking of suicide right after P passed. I would imagine a local source would have been revealed, but I could be wrong. The dark web makes a great, intriguing source, but the financial records were looked at. They were not released per the withheld list of documents. At some point, wouldn't an account be needed for Bitcoin?

I mean shit, Patrick Cousins took money from Prince and the SA caught onto it, not Prince.

I see why Kirk lawyered up along with Phaedra. Kirk has a vault too, and KAJ productions is getting paid. Phaedra got her cut, but not her waiver.

The bag that contained the CVS bottles, I wonder when was the last time Prince used that bag for travel. Hell, if he went to Atlanta for 1 night, why would he need so many bottles?

The DEA never releases the shipping info to the Country Inn. Prince did spend a lot of time in LA, perhaps that was his source?

Maybe around 2014 - 2015 he went from dialud and vicodin to fentanyl? Perhaps that explains the rapid change in appearance? Thoughts anyone?

1. I believe Prince was dosing accordingly. That is not to say that he was using fentanyl for longer or shorter periods than suggested , only that he used it according to mood and trigger.

2. Fentanyl was not found in the test on the 20th, but the amount of hydrocodone and hydromorphone is something to further discuss. A trade off of sorts. What this really tells me is that he never stopped doing anything after Moline .

3. A local source can be just as clandestine as a lab in China. With such large amounts found, and more pointedly, a consistent chemical composition of each drug analyzed, this was not a random event that materialized overnight. It seems rather planned out to me.

4. Dark web still has its trails. Too many hoops for Prince, who by all accounts, would rather have things done for him once he decides on what he wants.

5. If my name was Kirk, I would have done exactly the same thing in retaining the services of counsel. LE is notorious for using anything you say against you . Smart move.

6. The bag ( as in the black bag) was not filled with pills, I don't think. It was the suitcase(s) that had the majority of pills ( specifically the fentanyl mixed with lidocaine). I think the bag had one remaining loose yellow pill in it. We should confirm that.

7. As for sourcing, it could be L.A., or, it could have been the town over . It's the $64,000 dollar question.

8. As for apperance, I think one should expect to see drastic changes in weight, apperance, mood swings, etc. as the addiction progresses.

* If you figure out the fatal baseline for hydrocodone and hydromorphone,( as in how much would be considered fatal in ng/ml , that might give us some insight into the very night prior to his death. According to the report, those were the two drugs that were found in his sytem when the he took the test on the 20th. Results were published on the 25th.

The report states the following :

"In observing the lab orders from Prince's visit with Dr. Schulenberg on 4-20-16( the night prior to his death), the test results showed Prince tested positive for opiates, both Hydrocodone (253 ng/ml) and hydromoprhone (87ng/ml). Detective Nelson contacted North Memorial to inquire about the blood sample taken from Prince on 4-20-16".

[Edited 2/19/19 19:22pm]

Thank you!

PennyPurple said:

^^ Wow go to the link and see the whole book. Looks like the comic guy has seen the pics.

OMG, I was just about to post this, Penny...blew my mind....so on point...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

^^ Wow go to the link and see the whole book. Looks like the comic guy has seen the pics.

OMG, I was just about to post this, Penny...blew my mind....so on point...

Yeah kinda sums up how we all feel and felt. Sad. Even to this day we aren't the only ones dealing with it, like we think. He touched a lot of people for sure!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

^^ Wow go to the link and see the whole book. Looks like the comic guy has seen the pics.

OMG, I was just about to post this, Penny...blew my mind....so on point...

Meant a lot to see that. Thank you for posting the link!

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The police did in fact find the script in Kirk's name with 10 pills.

The test results came back as (oxy) percocets.

The police also found one oxy in P's black bag.

If you remember Dr. S prescribed 15 (oxy) perc's on the date of the Atlanta concert so 4 were missing.

The test results showed two things that came back on 4-25 -16 with their respective numbers in ng/ml. Which report are you reading? I'm reading it right now. This was discussed quite a bit ago in earlier threads as well.

I did pose the question as to what the quantative amounts of each drug excreted would mean but no one answered.

You can find the information on the script that tested positive for oxy in the Carver County Investigative File #5, Report #2, page 66, #172.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

The test results showed two things that came back on 4-25 -16 with their respective numbers in ng/ml. Which report are you reading? I'm reading it right now. This was discussed quite a bit ago in earlier threads as well.

I did pose the question as to what the quantative amounts of each drug excreted would mean but no one answered.

You can find the information on the script that tested positive for oxy in the Carver County Investigative File #5, Report #2, page 66, #172.

Did you see the report on the ng/ml amounts for the test from North Memorial from Dr.Sculenberg's notes by Detective Nelson? Are we saying the same thing??

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

You can find the information on the script that tested positive for oxy in the Carver County Investigative File #5, Report #2, page 66, #172.

Did you see the report on the ng/ml amounts for the test from North Memorial from Dr.Sculenberg's notes by Detective Nelson? Are we saying the same thing??

Earlier you stated the 15 perc's prescribed by Dr. S disappeared when in fact the script

written for Kirk was found at PP and tested for oxy (perc's).

I would have to go back and look for the test from North Memorial.

I do know the Coroner stated a cancer patient with a fentanyl patch would test 3-4 mcg/l and Prince tested 67.8 mcg/l

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

Did you see the report on the ng/ml amounts for the test from North Memorial from Dr.Sculenberg's notes by Detective Nelson? Are we saying the same thing??

Earlier you stated the 15 perc's prescribed by Dr. S disappeared when in fact the script

written for Kirk was found at PP and tested for oxy (perc's).

I would have to go back and look for the test from North Memorial.

I do know the Coroner stated a cancer patient with a fentanyl patch would test 3-4 mcg/l and Prince tested 67.8 mcg/l

I didn't see that is was found at PP . I did see where Dr. Schulenberg told the detectives that he had written a script for Prince in Kirks name and that is how they found out initially that Kirk was lying.

Did they find the bottle after or before the interview? Don't recall the detective questioning Kirk about the bottle tha was found with his name on that specific script . Did they do that?

You didn't read the North Memorial results? Earlier, you said it was just Percocet. What test was that from? What day? When were the results?

As for the fentanyl ...yes, I believe that is what the coroner stated, but we are not talking about fentanyl. This is the test that did not show any fentanyl and would have been administered the previous day. It's in the notes from Detective Nelson who was reading Dr. Schulenberg's notes from his test on 4-20.

[Edited 2/19/19 20:15pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

Did you see the report on the ng/ml amounts for the test from North Memorial from Dr.Sculenberg's notes by Detective Nelson? Are we saying the same thing??

Earlier you stated the 15 perc's prescribed by Dr. S disappeared when in fact the script

written for Kirk was found at PP and tested for oxy (perc's).

I would have to go back and look for the test from North Memorial.

I do know the Coroner stated a cancer patient with a fentanyl patch would test 3-4 mcg/l and Prince tested 67.8 mcg/l

every time I look at these numbers only one conclusion comes to mind.

rednblue said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OMG, I was just about to post this, Penny...blew my mind....so on point...

Meant a lot to see that. Thank you for posting the link!

The multipart comic also gets at concerns I've long had with fans judging family and friends. That is, family and friends of a person who is unable (or who has decided that it is no longer for the best) to preserve his sobriety and/or life.

The artist lost his dad and his brother.

Prince was sick with something "all too familiar."

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Earlier you stated the 15 perc's prescribed by Dr. S disappeared when in fact the script

written for Kirk was found at PP and tested for oxy (perc's).

I would have to go back and look for the test from North Memorial.

I do know the Coroner stated a cancer patient with a fentanyl patch would test 3-4 mcg/l and Prince tested 67.8 mcg/l

every time I look at these numbers only one conclusion comes to mind.

At the very least, he must have had some idea of what he was doing regarding dosing. Shocking he didn't reach for those deadly pills during that 7 day period after Moline.

Ok, I hope I'm reading this wrong and have miscalculated.

This is from Wallage HR, Palmentier JP. Hydromorphone related fatalities . J anal toxicology 2006;30(3) 202-209. Compare this to what was reported found in Prince's system. Is it a bit much or nothing at all?

If the report and the numbers by Detective Nelson are correct ( in ng/ml) then Prince was a walking dead before he took the fentanyl. I made sure it was in ng/ml and did the conversion but this can't be real. I need to review this thing, seriously.

Hydromorphone-related fatalities in ontario. - NCBIhttps://www.ncbi.nlm....d/16803655

[Edited 2/19/19 20:44pm]

(Hydromorphone concentrations above 75 ng/ml are considered lethal.10)

[Edited 2/19/19 20:46pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Earlier you stated the 15 perc's prescribed by Dr. S disappeared when in fact the script

written for Kirk was found at PP and tested for oxy (perc's).

I would have to go back and look for the test from North Memorial.

I do know the Coroner stated a cancer patient with a fentanyl patch would test 3-4 mcg/l and Prince tested 67.8 mcg/l

every time I look at these numbers only one conclusion comes to mind.

Yes and no.... He wouldn't just commit you know. There are rules to his thinking. He thinks of himself as a massive f-up and kind of not really being worth a blank (I know, strange but true), but the one thing he feels gives him value is keeping his word. He promised he'd stay alive three more years in 2014, "but that's it", so it seems like he owed more time on that commitment. So a log on the accidental death fire.

Also... there was no will. It was an important topic for him. He had strong beliefs about what should happen, however.. if he was going to hurt himself then that understanding was off the table and he would have had no way of executing it. That's his thinking when he reached out to that guy on the idotbox and Tidal. And really a bunch of other people too: who can inherit his fortune and legacy? Who can manage his business in his absence? Thing is though... he's big on testing the worthiness of people. He'll ask you to do wrong things for him, and on one hand appreciate you for it, but on the other you are marked in his mind as untrustable and not really having his best interests at heart. Sometimes he'd drop people cold right there on the spot for failing his worthness test. Again he knew what he wanted to occur, but the person he trusted said no, knowing it would keep Prince alive longer searching for another solution. Or to put it another way: the topic was so important to Prince, that there is just no way he'd do anything on purpose before resolving it. The topic was an imprtant tool to keeping him here. Another log on the accidental death fire.

With that said if he really did donate 10's of millions, then that would be consistent with him attempting to resolve the block on the will situation, in the only way available to him, in an attempt to pass away entering heaven without unresolved debts here on Earth (another important topic and part of the reasoning behind reaching out to 'old friends', bio, PR2, etc). But that money, was not actually his (according to him) and he was holding out on it for a friend, who wouldn't accept it if Prince was going to hurt himself. (strange but true, I know). This holding out situation over these 10's of millions had been going on for roughly a decade I think. If that really did occur, it's a log on the 'suez-sumn' fire because that action would have cleared a major hurdle in his mind. It's also why he probably is stuck between here and the here-after, but that's another topic for another time but the short of it: he cheated the rules by not paying anything to the person he owed. Until it's resolved he probably exists in spirit form in that box they built for him in Paisley. Trapped in a personal, um, hello he might have intended to escape.

What he did not want to do is leave his relations (outside of Tyka) a single penny. He was knowledgeable enough to ensure that would not happen. The fact there was a path for family at all to inherit so much as a single penny is another log on the 'accidental death' fire. He didn't want that. However he was advised not to go out like a certain superstar, who was a descendant of slavery but left more to the system and nothing for his siblings. Maybe Prince decided he could accept family would receive money, but it's not like him to do anything he feels strongly against... another log on the "accidental death" fire.

Regarding his family and employees, He said these words exactly "they don't love me. I don't trust them". I believe that's his motivation for not entering legit rehab sooner. He was afraid and didn't want to go through it without the proper support. To the extent they learned anything about his situation in those final years, it was likely because he wanted to establish a legitimate rapport with them about his circumstances and maybe enter life-saving rehab. So... a log on the 'natural causes' fire.

He also told me at that time (2013), about albums: "I'll produce one on you and you produce one on me. After that I'm going to kill myself". Point blank. My response was not pretty, but the way he is, is that he feels loved when you cuss and fuss over his refusal to properly care for himself. All that happened instead (3EG,AOA, etc) is largely a troll job, on his part, of my rejection of his offer, but it worked emough to keep him alive, which was my only goal, so I'm proud to have made a difference. How many other people just rolled with to be down with him though? He's telling me so he's telling them too. In some cases they are the go between, because I had taken to not talking to him directly too often anymore because he was not consistently honest about his darker intentions, imo, and the resulting stress and worry was affecting my personal life.

What bothers me about Jolene, and I could be misremembering the one report I read about the situation, but I don't recall anyone telling him they loved him at the hospital. It means everything to him to hear that, and in the past when it seems like we are losing him to whatever was troubling him, "I love you" lifted the clouds and gave him the strength to battle back from whatever he'd gotten himself into. He could really kick up a fuss about passing away prematurely, but in the end he's just too proud to admit he wants to hear that you love him. All that he said in the hospital room in just consistent with the type of conversational redirecting he does when.. in the end he just wants you to panic for his life and tell him you love him. He won't break right away. He'll tease it out a bit to make you think something else worked out instead of those three words, but that is what he's gunning for: someone who matters, to value him enough to say "I love you".

One more thing, I saw in this thread someone said he didn't care about being caught with pills at Paisley. No he did. I forget how I knew about his pills in tissue boxes, but I brought it up in 2013/2014. I mentioned that I was 'too much of a fan' to work at Paisley and that i would, I dunno, collect his tissues as momentos if I worked there. That was shade/subtweet/code etc. directed at his HABITS and where I was fairly certain he was stashing them, based on something he'd said the week previous. I was trying to get him to leave me alone about some other stuff (no one really needs to know taht but he can be really annoying), and it worked. He was spooked by the fact that I knew his pill location and decided to get his house in order.

Oh and one more thing... I am Prince. I told ya the truth is bizarre and you won't believe it.

I'll post about that another time, because it's at the heart of why he did what he did and what happened. I didn't know for certain when he first passed away. And I didn't feel comfortable that someone hadn't murdered him, so I wanted the police investigation to play out. But the information as it was coming out from the beginning tells me I know the truth in a way that not too many others can speak too.

Menes said:

funksterr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

every time I look at these numbers only one conclusion comes to mind.

Yes and no.... He wouldn't just commit you know. There are rules to his thinking. He thinks of himself as a massive f-up and kind of not really being worth a blank (I know, strange but true), but the one thing he feels gives him value is keeping his word. He promised he'd stay alive three more years in 2014, "but that's it", so it seems like he owed more time on that commitment. So a log on the accidental death fire.

Also... there was no will. It was an important topic for him. He had strong beliefs about what should happen, however.. if he was going to hurt himself then that understanding was off the table and he would have had no way of executing it. That's his thinking when he reached out to that guy on the idotbox and Tidal. And really a bunch of other people too: who can inherit his fortune and legacy? Who can manage his business in his absence? Thing is though... he's big on testing the worthiness of people. He'll ask you to do wrong things for him, and on one hand appreciate you for it, but on the other you are marked in his mind as untrustable and not really having his best interests at heart. Sometimes he'd drop people cold right there on the spot for failing his worthness test. Again he knew what he wanted to occur, but the person he trusted said no, knowing it would keep Prince alive longer searching for another solution. Or to put it another way: the topic was so important to Prince, that there is just no way he'd do anything on purpose before resolving it. The topic was an imprtant tool to keeping him here. Another log on the accidental death fire.

With that said if he really did donate 10's of millions, then that would be consistent with him attempting to resolve the block on the will situation, in the only way available to him, in an attempt to pass away entering heaven without unresolved debts here on Earth (another important topic and part of the reasoning behind reaching out to 'old friends', bio, PR2, etc). But that money, was not actually his (according to him) and he was holding out on it for a friend, who wouldn't accept it if Prince was going to hurt himself. (strange but true, I know). This holding out situation over these 10's of millions had been going on for roughly a decade I think. If that really did occur, it's a log on the 'suez-sumn' fire because that action would have cleared a major hurdle in his mind. It's also why he probably is stuck between here and the here-after, but that's another topic for another time but the short of it: he cheated the rules by not paying anything to the person he owed. Until it's resolved he probably exists in spirit form in that box they built for him in Paisley. Trapped in a personal, um, hello he might have intended to escape.

What he did not want to do is leave his relations (outside of Tyka) a single penny. He was knowledgeable enough to ensure that would not happen. The fact there was a path for family at all to inherit so much as a single penny is another log on the 'accidental death' fire. He didn't want that. However he was advised not to go out like a certain superstar, who was a descendant of slavery but left more to the system and nothing for his siblings. Maybe Prince decided he could accept family would receive money, but it's not like him to do anything he feels strongly against... another log on the "accidental death" fire.

Regarding his family and employees, He said these words exactly "they don't love me. I don't trust them". I believe that's his motivation for not entering legit rehab sooner. He was afraid and didn't want to go through it without the proper support. To the extent they learned anything about his situation in those final years, it was likely because he wanted to establish a legitimate rapport with them about his circumstances and maybe enter life-saving rehab. So... a log on the 'natural causes' fire.

He also told me at that time (2013), about albums: "I'll produce one on you and you produce one on me. After that I'm going to kill myself". Point blank. My response was not pretty, but the way he is, is that he feels loved when you cuss and fuss over his refusal to properly care for himself. All that happened instead (3EG,AOA, etc) is largely a troll job, on his part, of my rejection of his offer, but it worked emough to keep him alive, which was my only goal, so I'm proud to have made a difference. How many other people just rolled with to be down with him though? He's telling me so he's telling them too. In some cases they are the go between, because I had taken to not talking to him directly too often anymore because he was not consistently honest about his darker intentions, imo, and the resulting stress and worry was affecting my personal life.

What bothers me about Jolene, and I could be misremembering the one report I read about the situation, but I don't recall anyone telling him they loved him at the hospital. It means everything to him to hear that, and in the past when it seems like we are losing him to whatever was troubling him, "I love you" lifted the clouds and gave him the strength to battle back from whatever he'd gotten himself into. He could really kick up a fuss about passing away prematurely, but in the end he's just too proud to admit he wants to hear that you love him. All that he said in the hospital room in just consistent with the type of conversational redirecting he does when.. in the end he just wants you to panic for his life and tell him you love him. He won't break right away. He'll tease it out a bit to make you think something else worked out instead of those three words, but that is what he's gunning for: someone who matters, to value him enough to say "I love you".

One more thing, I saw in this thread someone said he didn't care about being caught with pills at Paisley. No he did. I forget how I knew about his pills in tissue boxes, but I brought it up in 2013/2014. I mentioned that I was 'too much of a fan' to work at Paisley and that i would, I dunno, collect his tissues as momentos if I worked there. That was shade/subtweet/code etc. directed at his HABITS and where I was fairly certain he was stashing them, based on something he'd said the week previous. I was trying to get him to leave me alone about some other stuff (no one really needs to know taht but he can be really annoying), and it worked. He was spooked by the fact that I knew his pill location and decided to get his house in order.

Oh and one more thing... I am Prince. I told ya the truth is bizarre and you won't believe it.

I'll post about that another time, because it's at the heart of why he did what he did and what happened. I didn't know for certain when he first passed away. And I didn't feel comfortable that someone hadn't murdered him, so I wanted the police investigation to play out. But the information as it was coming out from the beginning tells me I know the truth in a way that not too many others can speak too.

Thank you, funksterr.

Can be hell to try to help someone, or try do the right thing (which can mean trying to choose between painful, difficult options) in complex situations like your story. So sorry to hear it. As another orger said, your story hurts the heart.

We as fans don't know the detailed stories of individual relationships with Prince. Wish folks would lighten up on the blanket condemnations of friends/family members/loved ones. Every person isn't the same as every other person.

---

"He thinks of himself as a massive f-up and kind of not really being worth a blank..."

If you're up for answering a question...

Why?

^ that. wish he'd know how much his fans loved him.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

June7 said:

Discuss the controversies, insights, new information and respectful opinions about the death of Prince here. Don't troll or bring hateful discussion here. Be cool - or be gone. - June7

well, well, well...hope everyone is going to have a peaceful, loving, insightful, compassionate 2019...sure do miss that man...

I finally came back on here full-time and see this thread. Thank you for reinstating the discussion.

Wow! Thank you funksterr, your posts helps out greatly. With this post it is starting to come to light.

funksterr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

every time I look at these numbers only one conclusion comes to mind.

Yes and no.... He wouldn't just commit you know. There are rules to his thinking. He thinks of himself as a massive f-up and kind of not really being worth a blank (I know, strange but true), but the one thing he feels gives him value is keeping his word. He promised he'd stay alive three more years in 2014, "but that's it", so it seems like he owed more time on that commitment. So a log on the accidental death fire.

Also... there was no will. It was an important topic for him. He had strong beliefs about what should happen, however.. if he was going to hurt himself then that understanding was off the table and he would have had no way of executing it. That's his thinking when he reached out to that guy on the idotbox and Tidal. And really a bunch of other people too: who can inherit his fortune and legacy? Who can manage his business in his absence? Thing is though... he's big on testing the worthiness of people. He'll ask you to do wrong things for him, and on one hand appreciate you for it, but on the other you are marked in his mind as untrustable and not really having his best interests at heart. Sometimes he'd drop people cold right there on the spot for failing his worthness test. Again he knew what he wanted to occur, but the person he trusted said no, knowing it would keep Prince alive longer searching for another solution. Or to put it another way: the topic was so important to Prince, that there is just no way he'd do anything on purpose before resolving it. The topic was an imprtant tool to keeping him here. Another log on the accidental death fire.

With that said if he really did donate 10's of millions, then that would be consistent with him attempting to resolve the block on the will situation, in the only way available to him, in an attempt to pass away entering heaven without unresolved debts here on Earth (another important topic and part of the reasoning behind reaching out to 'old friends', bio, PR2, etc). But that money, was not actually his (according to him) and he was holding out on it for a friend, who wouldn't accept it if Prince was going to hurt himself. (strange but true, I know). This holding out situation over these 10's of millions had been going on for roughly a decade I think. If that really did occur, it's a log on the 'suez-sumn' fire because that action would have cleared a major hurdle in his mind. It's also why he probably is stuck between here and the here-after, but that's another topic for another time but the short of it: he cheated the rules by not paying anything to the person he owed. Until it's resolved he probably exists in spirit form in that box they built for him in Paisley. Trapped in a personal, um, hello he might have intended to escape.

What he did not want to do is leave his relations (outside of Tyka) a single penny. He was knowledgeable enough to ensure that would not happen. The fact there was a path for family at all to inherit so much as a single penny is another log on the 'accidental death' fire. He didn't want that. However he was advised not to go out like a certain superstar, who was a descendant of slavery but left more to the system and nothing for his siblings. Maybe Prince decided he could accept family would receive money, but it's not like him to do anything he feels strongly against... another log on the "accidental death" fire.

Regarding his family and employees, He said these words exactly "they don't love me. I don't trust them". I believe that's his motivation for not entering legit rehab sooner. He was afraid and didn't want to go through it without the proper support. To the extent they learned anything about his situation in those final years, it was likely because he wanted to establish a legitimate rapport with them about his circumstances and maybe enter life-saving rehab. So... a log on the 'natural causes' fire.

He also told me at that time (2013), about albums: "I'll produce one on you and you produce one on me. After that I'm going to kill myself". Point blank. My response was not pretty, but the way he is, is that he feels loved when you cuss and fuss over his refusal to properly care for himself. All that happened instead (3EG,AOA, etc) is largely a troll job, on his part, of my rejection of his offer, but it worked emough to keep him alive, which was my only goal, so I'm proud to have made a difference. How many other people just rolled with to be down with him though? He's telling me so he's telling them too. In some cases they are the go between, because I had taken to not talking to him directly too often anymore because he was not consistently honest about his darker intentions, imo, and the resulting stress and worry was affecting my personal life.

What bothers me about Jolene, and I could be misremembering the one report I read about the situation, but I don't recall anyone telling him they loved him at the hospital. It means everything to him to hear that, and in the past when it seems like we are losing him to whatever was troubling him, "I love you" lifted the clouds and gave him the strength to battle back from whatever he'd gotten himself into. He could really kick up a fuss about passing away prematurely, but in the end he's just too proud to admit he wants to hear that you love him. All that he said in the hospital room in just consistent with the type of conversational redirecting he does when.. in the end he just wants you to panic for his life and tell him you love him. He won't break right away. He'll tease it out a bit to make you think something else worked out instead of those three words, but that is what he's gunning for: someone who matters, to value him enough to say "I love you".

One more thing, I saw in this thread someone said he didn't care about being caught with pills at Paisley. No he did. I forget how I knew about his pills in tissue boxes, but I brought it up in 2013/2014. I mentioned that I was 'too much of a fan' to work at Paisley and that i would, I dunno, collect his tissues as momentos if I worked there. That was shade/subtweet/code etc. directed at his HABITS and where I was fairly certain he was stashing them, based on something he'd said the week previous. I was trying to get him to leave me alone about some other stuff (no one really needs to know taht but he can be really annoying), and it worked. He was spooked by the fact that I knew his pill location and decided to get his house in order.

Oh and one more thing... I am Prince. I told ya the truth is bizarre and you won't believe it.

I'll post about that another time, because it's at the heart of why he did what he did and what happened. I didn't know for certain when he first passed away. And I didn't feel comfortable that someone hadn't murdered him, so I wanted the police investigation to play out. But the information as it was coming out from the beginning tells me I know the truth in a way that not too many others can speak too.

funksterr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

every time I look at these numbers only one conclusion comes to mind.

Yes and no.... He wouldn't just commit you know. There are rules to his thinking. He thinks of himself as a massive f-up and kind of not really being worth a blank (I know, strange but true), but the one thing he feels gives him value is keeping his word. He promised he'd stay alive three more years in 2014, "but that's it", so it seems like he owed more time on that commitment. So a log on the accidental death fire.

Also... there was no will. It was an important topic for him. He had strong beliefs about what should happen, however.. if he was going to hurt himself then that understanding was off the table and he would have had no way of executing it. That's his thinking when he reached out to that guy on the idotbox and Tidal. And really a bunch of other people too: who can inherit his fortune and legacy? Who can manage his business in his absence? Thing is though... he's big on testing the worthiness of people. He'll ask you to do wrong things for him, and on one hand appreciate you for it, but on the other you are marked in his mind as untrustable and not really having his best interests at heart. Sometimes he'd drop people cold right there on the spot for failing his worthness test. Again he knew what he wanted to occur, but the person he trusted said no, knowing it would keep Prince alive longer searching for another solution. Or to put it another way: the topic was so important to Prince, that there is just no way he'd do anything on purpose before resolving it. The topic was an imprtant tool to keeping him here. Another log on the accidental death fire.

With that said if he really did donate 10's of millions, then that would be consistent with him attempting to resolve the block on the will situation, in the only way available to him, in an attempt to pass away entering heaven without unresolved debts here on Earth (another important topic and part of the reasoning behind reaching out to 'old friends', bio, PR2, etc). But that money, was not actually his (according to him) and he was holding out on it for a friend, who wouldn't accept it if Prince was going to hurt himself. (strange but true, I know). This holding out situation over these 10's of millions had been going on for roughly a decade I think. If that really did occur, it's a log on the 'suez-sumn' fire because that action would have cleared a major hurdle in his mind. It's also why he probably is stuck between here and the here-after, but that's another topic for another time but the short of it: he cheated the rules by not paying anything to the person he owed. Until it's resolved he probably exists in spirit form in that box they built for him in Paisley. Trapped in a personal, um, hello he might have intended to escape.

What he did not want to do is leave his relations (outside of Tyka) a single penny. He was knowledgeable enough to ensure that would not happen. The fact there was a path for family at all to inherit so much as a single penny is another log on the 'accidental death' fire. He didn't want that. However he was advised not to go out like a certain superstar, who was a descendant of slavery but left more to the system and nothing for his siblings. Maybe Prince decided he could accept family would receive money, but it's not like him to do anything he feels strongly against... another log on the "accidental death" fire.

Regarding his family and employees, He said these words exactly "they don't love me. I don't trust them". I believe that's his motivation for not entering legit rehab sooner. He was afraid and didn't want to go through it without the proper support. To the extent they learned anything about his situation in those final years, it was likely because he wanted to establish a legitimate rapport with them about his circumstances and maybe enter life-saving rehab. So... a log on the 'natural causes' fire.

He also told me at that time (2013), about albums: "I'll produce one on you and you produce one on me. After that I'm going to kill myself". Point blank. My response was not pretty, but the way he is, is that he feels loved when you cuss and fuss over his refusal to properly care for himself. All that happened instead (3EG,AOA, etc) is largely a troll job, on his part, of my rejection of his offer, but it worked emough to keep him alive, which was my only goal, so I'm proud to have made a difference. How many other people just rolled with to be down with him though? He's telling me so he's telling them too. In some cases they are the go between, because I had taken to not talking to him directly too often anymore because he was not consistently honest about his darker intentions, imo, and the resulting stress and worry was affecting my personal life.

What bothers me about Jolene, and I could be misremembering the one report I read about the situation, but I don't recall anyone telling him they loved him at the hospital. It means everything to him to hear that, and in the past when it seems like we are losing him to whatever was troubling him, "I love you" lifted the clouds and gave him the strength to battle back from whatever he'd gotten himself into. He could really kick up a fuss about passing away prematurely, but in the end he's just too proud to admit he wants to hear that you love him. All that he said in the hospital room in just consistent with the type of conversational redirecting he does when.. in the end he just wants you to panic for his life and tell him you love him. He won't break right away. He'll tease it out a bit to make you think something else worked out instead of those three words, but that is what he's gunning for: someone who matters, to value him enough to say "I love you".

One more thing, I saw in this thread someone said he didn't care about being caught with pills at Paisley. No he did. I forget how I knew about his pills in tissue boxes, but I brought it up in 2013/2014. I mentioned that I was 'too much of a fan' to work at Paisley and that i would, I dunno, collect his tissues as momentos if I worked there. That was shade/subtweet/code etc. directed at his HABITS and where I was fairly certain he was stashing them, based on something he'd said the week previous. I was trying to get him to leave me alone about some other stuff (no one really needs to know taht but he can be really annoying), and it worked. He was spooked by the fact that I knew his pill location and decided to get his house in order.

Oh and one more thing... I am Prince. I told ya the truth is bizarre and you won't believe it.

I'll post about that another time, because it's at the heart of why he did what he did and what happened. I didn't know for certain when he first passed away. And I didn't feel comfortable that someone hadn't murdered him, so I wanted the police investigation to play out. But the information as it was coming out from the beginning tells me I know the truth in a way that not too many others can speak too.

"There are rules to his thinking. He thinks of himself as a massive f-up and kind of not really being worth a blank" How could he think of himself as a massive f-up???

And that last paragraph....Sounds like what u are saying is u don't think this was no accident or u know this was no accident... I'm I understanding u right?

[Edited 2/20/19 9:24am]

here we go.......people who claim to know the truth.... ..and sit on it...not that it should be revealed for OUR benefit

nelcp777 said:

So then, if the CVS bottles were older than Atlanta, then that implies to me that Prince had been using fentanyl for a longer period than thought. Perhaps the reason there was not any fentanyl in the blood test on the 20th was because Prince went back to dialud and took the last of it since it was not found in the initial CC search?

Residents of Chanhassen had begun talking of suicide right after P passed. I would imagine a local source would have been revealed, but I could be wrong. The dark web makes a great, intriguing source, but the financial records were looked at. They were not released per the withheld list of documents. At some point, wouldn't an account be needed for Bitcoin?

I mean shit, Patrick Cousins took money from Prince and the SA caught onto it, not Prince.

I see why Kirk lawyered up along with Phaedra. Kirk has a vault too, and KAJ productions is getting paid. Phaedra got her cut, but not her waiver.

The bag that contained the CVS bottles, I wonder when was the last time Prince used that bag for travel. Hell, if he went to Atlanta for 1 night, why would he need so many bottles?

The DEA never releases the shipping info to the Country Inn. Prince did spend a lot of time in LA, perhaps that was his source?

Maybe around 2014 - 2015 he went from dialud and vicodin to fentanyl? Perhaps that explains the rapid change in appearance? Thoughts anyone?

My sister lived in Eden Prairie at the time. She said the chatter went from an accident in the first days to suicide within weeks.

Yikes!

I don't guess there is a Orthopedic Surgeon on org or somebody close to that medical discipline on the org. Because I would like to ask even if P had gone to that rehab place in CA, he still was going to be in hip pain and still would need some relief. So a great a Orthopedic Surgeon could have did hip replacement or double hip replacement but he didn't want to do that because of being tied up with Larry Graham and them JW's because they are not to take blood transfusions so he would still be in a mess!?!?!?!?!

Or did that Dr. in CA or somewhere else had a remedy for the continue pain without the hip surgery?

Opinions???

[Edited 2/20/19 13:03pm]

Astasheiks said:

Yikes!

I don't guess there is a Orthopedic Surgeon on org or somebody close to that medical discipline on the org. Because I would like to ask even if P had gone to that rehab place in CA, he still was going to be in hip pain and still would need some relief. So a great a Orthopedic Surgeon could have did hip replacement or double hip replacement but he didn't want to do that because of being tied up with Larry Graham and them JW's because they are not to take blood transfusions so he would still be in a mess!?!?!?!?!

Or did that Dr. in CA or somewhere else had a remedy for the continue pain without the hip surgery?

Opinions???

[Edited 2/20/19 13:03pm]

He had the hip surgery.