He had a long career, a dedicated fanbase, a period of time in his youth where he was a superstar, an amazing live reputation right up to the end, never actually went broke and always lived the high life, was releasing the music he wanted to release (even if it wasn't what we wanted him to release) all the time....

So I dunno, his personal life was his own so all I got left is "taking fentanyl".

Guitarhero said:

mtlfan said:

Not leaving the studio to get ice cream. Releasing Dirty Mind in demo format. Replacing Gayle with Lisa. Plugging the Linn into a flanger. Dropping the bass from WDC. Taking Kiss back. Leaving the vocals on Forever in My Life and IIWYG as is. Going on stage at The Trojan Horse one night in 1988. Counting on a Batman-themed song being a hit in 1989. Releasing TMBGITW as his first independent single. Orchestrating a massive career comeback in 2004 when he was already 20 years older than most pop stars and innovating record release strategies. Playing 21 nights at the 02. Banging Kim Basinger, writing Controversy...

Is there a giant Prince's great decisions thread somewhere?

Yeah all sounds good to me.

Just when I was starting a rant on how a negative thread all of a sudden gets all kind of orgers spit their opinion down,
cuz people always like to give their opinion on how a life should be led, don't they,
You, Dear Sir, came in and saved my day.

If I may, a little erratum.
His first independent single, which also went first in the charts.

Not to mention the ignorance of some here on relapse overdose,
and simple facts: there was only one pill. But people always like to give their opinion
on things they haven't properly read about, don't they?

The org's search engine remains a mystery to many.
I've got news for some of you: some threads don't age, they're still relevant.
Go study before you one-line in the void, like you were some pen minimalist
with an important view to share. Oh I forgot, you're not much of a writer in the first place.
You only type.

Damn! I guess I ended up ranting anyways.
It sure feels good.



But back to the subject:

Miscaluculation

...which means emasculation under mescaline.
Err... Could you repeat the question, please?

[Edited 11/15/18 7:58am]

jaawwnn said:

He had a long career, a dedicated fanbase, a period of time in his youth where he was a superstar, an amazing live reputation right up to the end, never actually went broke and always lived the high life, was releasing the music he wanted to release (even if it wasn't what we wanted him to release) all the time....

So I dunno, his personal life was his own so all I got left is "taking fentanyl".

That is not misscalucculaculation, this is trusting your doctor (blindly, because you don't know shit about brain receptors),
which we all do when the pain is too much to handle, praying he won't kill us with all this chems intake.
Then you get better. For a while.

It's been discussed in deep, and long gone great orgers came back to chime in.
There's nothing more to add to Prince's demise that can't be found here.
Still we waste another database megabyte rehashing stuff.
This is energetic pollution caused by lazyness.
Use the search, Luke.

At least the OP has a knack for provocatory titles
that call for short responses, short ideas.
That's modern, I'll give you that.

No Dr gave him those pills & who said he trusted a Dr., blindly? He rarely seen a Dr.

bonatoc said:

jaawwnn said:

He had a long career, a dedicated fanbase, a period of time in his youth where he was a superstar, an amazing live reputation right up to the end, never actually went broke and always lived the high life, was releasing the music he wanted to release (even if it wasn't what we wanted him to release) all the time....

So I dunno, his personal life was his own so all I got left is "taking fentanyl".

That is not misscalucculaculation, this is trusting your doctor (blindly, because you don't know shit about brain receptors),
which we all do when the pain is too much to handle, praying he won't kill us with all this chems intake.
Then you get better. For a while.

It's been discussed in deep, and long gone great orgers came back to chime in.
There's nothing more to add to Prince's demise that can't be found here.
Still we waste another database megabyte rehashing stuff.
This is energetic pollution caused by lazyness.
Use the search, Luke.

At least the OP has a knack for provocatory titles
that call for short responses, short ideas.
That's modern, I'll give you that.

PennyPurple said:

No Dr gave him those pills & who said he trusted a Dr., blindly? He rarely seen a Dr.

bonatoc said:

That is not misscalucculaculation, this is trusting your doctor (blindly, because you don't know shit about brain receptors),
which we all do when the pain is too much to handle, praying he won't kill us with all this chems intake.
Then you get better. For a while.

It's been discussed in deep, and long gone great orgers came back to chime in.
There's nothing more to add to Prince's demise that can't be found here.
Still we waste another database megabyte rehashing stuff.
This is energetic pollution caused by lazyness.
Use the search, Luke.

At least the OP has a knack for provocatory titles
that call for short responses, short ideas.
That's modern, I'll give you that.

It's absurd to think he was self-medicating on opioids right from the start.
There must be a first doctor who wrote the first prescription. It's a history.
And we know the fatal Fentanyl pill was just one 4Chan little pill.
Let's not go through what we know already.

Addiction happens to you, like the plague. It's not a calculation or a miscalculation.
Claiming otherwise means some didn't study the opioids epidemic long enough
to know what they are talking about.

To take care of oneself can hardly be interpreted as malls... miscul... masculcall... oh, forget it.
There's little calculus when it comes to survival.

wonderboy said:

rusty1 said:

luv2tha99s said:

rusty1 said:

100% agree.. That tour would've been kick ass. On top of that, the album should've had 5 top 10 hits or more.. Also the wrong second single [Edited 11/15/18 11:01am]

Totally agree. A US tour of SoTT would have afforded him a mini-comeback after the puzzling release of AWID and the UTCM stinkbomb. All my hs friends who had fallen in love with him after PR were so disappointed he didn't tour in 87. That was going to be the defining moment for my group of friends before we parted ways and all went off to college. Sigh.

That opens up a door about ATWIAD which is one of my top 5 favorites.

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He did not have to tour this album, but I believe doing shows like the Dance Benefit show, the 1984 and 1985 Birthday shows and other offnight shows would have helped this album make more connection to those who didn't understand the shift.
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This album is totally connected to Purple Rain

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shows using Prince & the Revolution + Eddie M, David Coleman, Suzi Katayama, Novi Novog, Jill Jones, Susannah Melvoin, Jonathan Melvoin, Sheila E and or Juan Escovedo

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doing shows mixing the songs of ATWIAD with others like We Can Fuck, the Dance Electric, Ronnie Talk 2 Russia, Free, God the love theme

adding the Bsides:She's Always In My Hair, Girl Hello

His biggest miscalculation of his life was thinking he could take it all with him before killing himself.

Savannah said:

His biggest miscalculation of his life was thinking he could take it all with him before killing himself.

huh?

bonatoc said:

i think it should be pointed out that a lot of his "miscalculations" in the 80's were intentional, it's been said a lot but he wasn't crazy about the Purple Rain success level. He cut the audience down with ATWIAD and he went further in that direction on the next albums. He did say as early as the dirty mind period that he didn't want fans who'd come to see you only when you had a hit, in other words, He was saying he wanted to be a cult artist. I think he was divided in this and he acted like an old movie starlett losing her looks by the early 90's and didn't take it well when his albums didn't sell. It was obvious to me, I know not everyone agrees, that most of those albums were planned to be successful, he was trying to sell five mill with the symbol album, he was trying to sell a lot of emancipation and gold but that pop moment was over for him by then. Point is, in the 80's, he tested his listeners and the pop audience, those that could hang did, those that couldn't went on to madonna, u2 or whoever.

bonatoc said:

PennyPurple said:

No Dr gave him those pills & who said he trusted a Dr., blindly? He rarely seen a Dr.

It's absurd to think he was self-medicating on opioids right from the start.
There must be a first doctor who wrote the first prescription. It's a history.
And we know the fatal Fentanyl pill was just one 4Chan little pill.
Let's not go through what we know already.

Addiction happens to you, like the plague. It's not a calculation or a miscalculation.
Claiming otherwise means some didn't study the opioids epidemic long enough
to know what they are talking about.

To take care of oneself can hardly be interpreted as malls... miscul... masculcall... oh, forget it.
There's little calculus when it comes to survival.

It is not absurd. Prince most likely got his meds, from the start, from a drug dealer. There is no opiate prescription history. Later, he would ask his employees to ask their docs to write scripts.

He lost some employees as a result.

He was street-smart.

PeteSilas said:

i think it should be pointed out that a lot of his "miscalculations" in the 80's were intentional, it's been said a lot but he wasn't crazy about the Purple Rain success level. He cut the audience down with ATWIAD and he went further in that direction on the next albums. He did say as early as the dirty mind period that he didn't want fans who'd come to see you only when you had a hit, in other words, He was saying he wanted to be a cult artist. I think he was divided in this and he acted like an old movie starlett losing her looks by the early 90's and didn't take it well when his albums didn't sell. It was obvious to me, I know not everyone agrees, that most of those albums were planned to be successful, he was trying to sell five mill with the symbol album, he was trying to sell a lot of emancipation and gold but that pop moment was over for him by then. Point is, in the 80's, he tested his listeners and the pop audience, those that could hang did, those that couldn't went on to madonna, u2 or whoever.

ATWIAD was definately calculated. I think not doing shows(not tour) was a miscalculation. I think having a movie -UTCM- without bands/performances was a miscalculated move.

peggyon said:

bonatoc said:

It's absurd to think he was self-medicating on opioids right from the start.
There must be a first doctor who wrote the first prescription. It's a history.
And we know the fatal Fentanyl pill was just one 4Chan little pill.
Let's not go through what we know already.

Addiction happens to you, like the plague. It's not a calculation or a miscalculation.
Claiming otherwise means some didn't study the opioids epidemic long enough
to know what they are talking about.

To take care of oneself can hardly be interpreted as malls... miscul... masculcall... oh, forget it.
There's little calculus when it comes to survival.

It is not absurd. Prince most likely got his meds, from the start, from a drug dealer. There is no opiate prescription history. Later, he would ask his employees to ask their docs to write scripts.

He lost some employees as a result.

He was street-smart.

I agree, it is not absurd.
Depending on when it exactly started, I guess.

callimnate said:

Too many to mention.

Exactly. I mean... where do you even start trying to sort through them..

OldFriends4Sale said:

• not touring the US with SOTT
• Touring the US with Lovesexy
• Grafitti Bridge (enough said)
• Leaving WB
• Writing slave on his face
• Not touring the US with TGE
• Emancipation (2 discs too many)
• New Power Soul (enough said)
• 1999 to 2003 (take a your pick, too many to mention)
• 3rd Eye Girl 2011-14 (horrible band and era)

macaylasdad said:

• not touring the US with SOTT
• Touring the US with Lovesexy
• Grafitti Bridge (enough said)
• Leaving WB
• Writing slave on his face
• Not touring the US with TGE
• Emancipation (2 discs too many)
• New Power Soul (enough said)
• 1999 to 2003 (take a your pick, too many to mention)
• 3rd Eye Girl 2011-14 (horrible band and era)

he did tour the us with lovesexy. 3rd eye girl was not that bad, if nothing else, no one had played the little red corvette solo better live, not even Dez who wrote it. that counts for something in my book. AOA was a solid album, can't say much about the live shows because I didn't see much but what i did see I was impressed. his reasoning was sound, feed off of young vitality, old musicians have experience and polish but no fire and they are jaded so he did the right thing feeding off of new blood like a vampire, it worked.

luv2tha99s said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ATWIAD was definately calculated. I think not doing shows(not tour) was a miscalculation. I think having a movie -UTCM- without bands/performances was a miscalculated move.

This is spot on. If he had done more shows and turned UTCM into some sort of AWID/Parade road movie mashup with thr band, it might have mitigated the Pop audiences disappointment in those projects.

and the Funk fans lol

There is a lot of funk and diversity on ATWIAD for sure

And Parade is probably the one album that feels timeless. It seems to be a big favorite of people like Jill Scott and DAngelo and many others

That is an album and era I wish Prince took his time with and was more calculating with

peer1973 said:

Biggest miscalculation in my opinion: Not using his performance in New girl episode, in the slipstream of the superb owl. To superpromte the catchy (not the best, that is not my saying) song 'fallinlove2nite' Could be his resurgence in the top charts globally.

Yall seriously think some of the examples posted was his BIGGEST miscalculation. New Girl? That came along after everything was said and done, set in stone.

Being so paranoid about his own fans. Taking that first pill and lecturing us about drugs.

Batman.

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There's parts of the album that I like, but they're the parts of the album that it would have been without Batman!

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I also blame Batman for his fixation with making another film, leading to Graffiti Bridge and his focus on making hits and chasing chart success.

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I wonder how Rave, or whatever that album turned into, would have sounded. How working with Mavis Staples could have been included. And how that all could have evolved.

[Edited 11/16/18 8:00am]

james said:

Batman.

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There's parts of the album that I like, but they're the parts of the album that it would have been without Batman!

.

I also blame Batman for his fixation with making another film, leading to Graffiti Bridge and his focus on making hits and chasing chart success.

.

I wonder how Rave, or whatever that album turned into, would have sounded. How working with Mavis Staples could have been included. And how that all could have evolved.

[Edited 11/16/18 8:00am]

With or without Batman he was gonna do GB. Batman ws also a hit..that he needed. And even still, its not like GB was a careeer killer.

peggyon said:

Over-obssessing about his image. It did not feed the real man. Image and legacy more important than his life.

Obsessing about his image made him the enigma he was..which proved to be hella successful regarding the mystique of Prince. For example, thats why everyone is creaming their jeans over a book of recently released previously withheld photos of him just being candid etc. making the book a hit.

klick2me said:

Closing the door on YouTube. So many people would have been exposed to his art.

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He still had millions who were exposed. No youtube wasnt his beggest misstep. It didnt hurt his career at all. Hell, it may have increased his cache'

Savannah said:

His biggest miscalculation of his life was thinking he could take it all with him before killing himself.

What? This is nonsense.

rusty1 said: