3121 - LotusFlow3r connection/outtakes

From the Lotus
Back 2 the Lotus
Colonized Mind
Love Like Jazz
Wall of Berlin
Planet Earth
Guitar

While an exact recording date is not known, basic tracking took place in November 2004, during a three-and-a-half hour session with Michael B. on drums and Sonny T. on bass at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota that also yielded From The Lotus..., ...Back 2 The Lotus, Colonized Mind, Love Like Jazz, Wall Of Berlin, Planet Earth, Guitar and a song titled Shameless as well as two or three others.

-PrinceVault

bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

he tried to shutdown the org after we had a thread of unflattering pics, i still feel guilty because i was one of the ones laughing at some of the pics, he tried blocking all pics and shutting down the org and writing phunk, nothing to do with bootlegs. our man had control issues, we all have issues that we struggle with all our lives, that was his, maybe the point of his life was to learn that he cannot control everything.

My guess is Prince was the kind of guy "yeah, but I'd rather die trying".
Which is fantastically sad. Or sadly fantastic.
That drive still remains a mistery.

I guess when your fingers obey the mind at such speed, when harmonies
are reworked in the mind while going to the studio, everything else in life
becomes almost mundane. Don't forget we're talking about someone that had for many years,
a very limited view on the world on a global scale, except for news headlines.
What I mean by that is the world, the way people function (they need to relax and rest otherwise they go mad at each other or themselves),
probably started to look alien to Prince, and that is probably why he looked like a total alien to the world at certain periods.

you are correct, i don't know how he did it, even deep in the drug years, romeo gaither was saying that even then he only needed three hours sleep. i remember I used to try to imitate those habits, i became intolerable to everyone around me in no short order, needed naps, got a lot done but couldn't maintain those habits. It's funny but some of the guys who work like that seem frail in some other way, they say trump, who lives off of 3 or four hours sleep doesn't really work all that hard, they said malcolm x couldn't handle a real job with physical labor yet he lived for year on end with practically no sleep. Prince seemed to really have a hard time around people but other than that, he had a helluva constitution. He rarely cancelled or missed shows, if he was sick he'd go on anyway like the trooper he was, he wasn't always on his a game, no one ever is, but that's the point, he just kept right on going. even at the end, he never sounded better.

darlingnikkkki said:

A thousand years from now, in the year 3121, it will be considered a classic!

wow what will the year 3121 look like...

He had that release day concert at Tower Records on Sunset Blvd. I got there and before I went in to the maddening crowd (the place was alredy packed inside), I was in the parking lot walking around and told his 'bodyguard' Trevor " Aye, tell Prince rdhull is here!"..He looked at me like I just fell off the moon lol.

[Edited 11/15/18 22:05pm]

rdhull said:

He hasd that release day concert at Tower Records on Sunset Blvd. I got there and before I went in to the maddebing crowd (the place was alredy packed inside), I was in the parking lot walking around and told his 'bodyguard' Trevor " Aye, tell Prince rdhull is here!"..He looked at me like I just fell off the moon lol.

bonatoc said:

thedance said:

3121 I never liked this album

Musicology is a lot better imho...

At least this album had some strong single releases.

Ok Black Sweat is strong as well, but ??? Te Amo what a.... crappy song for a lead single, and Fury is also weak and formulaic imho..


No name calling please lets agree to disagree.. Musicology is not a masterpiece, but ok and solid imho: 7/10


3121 gets 4 or 5/ 10, and that is even being too kind, maybe -- 4/10 is too high a score..

"Call my Name" is indeed a masterpiece, but you have a knack for basics and safety nets, that's all.
Musicology is Prince schooling everyone in pop. It's not that interesting. It's cocky, I'd give you that.
But it's also very safe, one of its clever moves. It's all catchy tunes and not so much substance.
Behind it all lurks the Purple Rain 20th anniversary.

3121 goes back to the underground. "Incense and Candles" is one of the best modern R'n'B pieces since modern R'n'B exist.
Timberlake and other posers will never reach such sensuality. They don't play bass, plain and simple.
Prince reinveted himself so much on this album it's mind-boggling. Even "Lolita" is what the french call "mise en abyme".
It's forty something Prince sampling his own eighties sound and tramautizing Bruno Mars, heck, the whole pop stars to be.
You never heard it on 11 on the dance floor amidst a 3am crowd. You need to build an imagery.
In Musicology, everything is pretty explicit, almost photoshopped.
3121 is a seventies album at heart. It owes more to Stevie than any other album.

And if you never experienced the nature of the heartache "The Dance" is about,
well, you'd have to wait for it, I guess. I see you prefer singles.
Myself I prefer la langueur de l'amour.

Corazon will find you, eventually.
It's the solo that will floor you.
You just didn't give it enough time.
It's all there is left, what have you got to lose?

And you also have to bear with fragile and delicate Prince.
It may not be so easy to grasp the concept, I'll give you that.
It's better than to stay in your confort sonic zone on repeat.

Heck, I'm playing it as I type. What a great album.
The order of the tracks is everything.

Some don't get the greatest albums all have rythmic peaks and valleys.
Of course if you put the album on random or drowned in a massive playlist, it loses all meaning.

"Love" is at the center for a reason. 3121 goes much deeper than you may think.
We're in Lovesexy and Art Official Age territories here.

Last but not least, 3121 is Prince coming with a vengeance. Straight to #1,
the year before was all his. After america making him a gimmick for TV funnies,
he sure showed them he never went anywhere.
And he still looked the same.
From 3121 on, his music wouldn't.

"The Word" is proof he was finally humble enough to admit that TRC was not the best way
to express its beliefs. It's "7" part II, hatred and resentment is behind him for ever.
This is no Blue Angel. This is no Hohner.
The Stratocaster is finally conquered. I'm talking about "The Word".

Purple Rain pouring over Miami, he kept the view.
3121 is the best of him, at a point in his life when he's so far ahead all of us
we can only admit we're the ones that don't get it when a song doesn't resonate at first.

This is Prince in the studio having an epiphany after the 2004 triumphs.
Joy and smiles ooze from every song. There's a strong and constant confidence in the delivery and the musical ideas
that astounded most of us at the time: Prince in full control of his abilities, without having to force it.
The SNL performance of "Fury" speaks volumes of what Prince had become as a result of all these years of work.
A miracle happening in real time. Fingers obey the mind. When you're free, you're free indeed.
Some of us are Beautiful, Loved and Blessed, and it's, very suprisingly, comforting.
God ain't a total bitch, after all. He gave us Prince harmonizing ad libitum.

[Edited 11/10/18 15:48pm]

Bonatoc last few years im not active as i was on org but i do read

your posts and while on one side i admire your enthusiasm on the other side im like what is this guy

talking about and he is basing his opinions based on what???

for example you wrote that with Musicology Prince schooled

everyone in pop.

the only thing Prince had schooled anybody in 2004 is only distribution wise.after late 80s Prince was not relevant in music.

You said that This is no Blue Angel. This is no Hohner.
The Stratocaster is finally conquered. I'm talking about

"The Word

this only proves that u dont know the difference in sound between Strat and hohner cuz The Word guitar solo is done on Hohner.

Strat is featured only on title song and Fury everything else is Hohner.

you also wrote

3121 goes back to the underground. "Incense and Candles" is one of the best modern

R'n'B pieces since modern R'n'B exist 3121 goes to underground???

if 3121 is underground than Rainbow Kids is Punk and Incence And Candles is one of the best modern rnb song only if for you rnb is T Pain and Lil Wayne/

3121 is formulated attempt at making a hit album in 2006 climate.

formula is lets have one slw rnb burner similar to On

The Coach *Satisfied ,lets have a rock track a modern

hip hop influenced track and retro funk song.

it follows the same formula as Musicology and Rave .the difference

is Musicology is more retro organic in nature while 3121 goes for more plastic

Emancipation like production.

reason why ppl praised Musicology and 3121

is because those two albums were Prince returning to the song format instead of going for a more jam based material of his 2001 2003 work.

[Edited 11/16/18 4:49am]

While an exact recording date is not known, basic tracking took place in November 2004, during a three-and-a-half hour session with Michael B. on drums and Sonny T. on bass at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota that also yielded From The Lotus..., ...Back 2 The Lotus, Colonized Mind, Love Like Jazz, Wall Of Berlin, Planet Earth, Guitar and a song titled Shameless as well as two or three others.
A tape photographed in Prince's vault at Paisley Park Studios lists Wall Of Berlin as 19 November 2004, which alludes this is the exact date for all of the songs in this sessions.
In an August 2006 interview, Michael B. confirmed the recording date and said [they recorded] eleven or twelve tracks in three and a half hours that night.
Prince wore a jacket with the "3121" logo (as on the album cover) when performing at the 36th NAACP Image Awards on 19 March 2005, and his rented mansion in Los Angeles at the time was at 3121 Antelo Rd., the address of which inspired the track's title. It was included as the first track on a late 2005 configuration of 3121, where it remained for release.
Of note is that the intro of 3121 contains some disguised spoken words that say "From the lotus flower..." and are also used on ...Back 2 The Lotus (although not on From The Lotus...). Prince also ends the song stating "It's going down... like the wall of Berlin", all referring to songs recorded during the same session.
The "wall of Berlin" is a reference to the Berlin Wall, which divided the cities of West Berlin and East Berlin (and the countries of West Germany and East Germany, respectively) until its fall in 1989.

-PrinceVault

rdhull said:

Nah, I remember folks digging '3121'.

.

The album that was bashed endlessly here was 'Planet Earth', especially the title song which was amazing. Besides "Mr. Goodnight", the album was wonderful.

Giovanni777 said:

Nah, I remember folks digging '3121'.

.

The album that was bashed endlessly here was 'Planet Earth', especially the title song which was amazing. Besides "Mr. Goodnight", the album was wonderful.

how bout chelsa rogers.

pandemoniun6 said:

rdhull said:

The .org never changes. You don’t post for nine months and then you do and someone calls you a demon...

He was just playing. Its cute.

criiminally OVERrated....

rdhull said:

bonatoc said:

thedance said:

3121 I never liked this album

Musicology is a lot better imho...

At least this album had some strong single releases.

Ok Black Sweat is strong as well, but ??? Te Amo what a.... crappy song for a lead single, and Fury is also weak and formulaic imho..


No name calling please lets agree to disagree.. Musicology is not a masterpiece, but ok and solid imho: 7/10


3121 gets 4 or 5/ 10, and that is even being too kind, maybe -- 4/10 is too high a score..

"Call my Name" is indeed a masterpiece, but you have a knack for basics and safety nets, that's all.
Musicology is Prince schooling everyone in pop. It's not that interesting. It's cocky, I'd give you that.
But it's also very safe, one of its clever moves. It's all catchy tunes and not so much substance.
Behind it all lurks the Purple Rain 20th anniversary.

3121 goes back to the underground. "Incense and Candles" is one of the best modern R'n'B pieces since modern R'n'B exist.
Timberlake and other posers will never reach such sensuality. They don't play bass, plain and simple.
Prince reinveted himself so much on this album it's mind-boggling. Even "Lolita" is what the french call "mise en abyme".
It's forty something Prince sampling his own eighties sound and tramautizing Bruno Mars, heck, the whole pop stars to be.
You never heard it on 11 on the dance floor amidst a 3am crowd. You need to build an imagery.
In Musicology, everything is pretty explicit, almost photoshopped.
3121 is a seventies album at heart. It owes more to Stevie than any other album.

And if you never experienced the nature of the heartache "The Dance" is about,
well, you'd have to wait for it, I guess. I see you prefer singles.
Myself I prefer la langueur de l'amour.

Corazon will find you, eventually.
It's the solo that will floor you.
You just didn't give it enough time.
It's all there is left, what have you got to lose?

And you also have to bear with fragile and delicate Prince.
It may not be so easy to grasp the concept, I'll give you that.
It's better than to stay in your confort sonic zone on repeat.

Heck, I'm playing it as I type. What a great album.
The order of the tracks is everything.

Some don't get the greatest albums all have rythmic peaks and valleys.
Of course if you put the album on random or drowned in a massive playlist, it loses all meaning.

"Love" is at the center for a reason. 3121 goes much deeper than you may think.
We're in Lovesexy and Art Official Age territories here.

Last but not least, 3121 is Prince coming with a vengeance. Straight to #1,
the year before was all his. After america making him a gimmick for TV funnies,
he sure showed them he never went anywhere.
And he still looked the same.
From 3121 on, his music wouldn't.

"The Word" is proof he was finally humble enough to admit that TRC was not the best way
to express its beliefs. It's "7" part II, hatred and resentment is behind him for ever.
This is no Blue Angel. This is no Hohner.
The Stratocaster is finally conquered. I'm talking about "The Word".

Purple Rain pouring over Miami, he kept the view.
3121 is the best of him, at a point in his life when he's so far ahead all of us
we can only admit we're the ones that don't get it when a song doesn't resonate at first.

This is Prince in the studio having an epiphany after the 2004 triumphs.
Joy and smiles ooze from every song. There's a strong and constant confidence in the delivery and the musical ideas
that astounded most of us at the time: Prince in full control of his abilities, without having to force it.
The SNL performance of "Fury" speaks volumes of what Prince had become as a result of all these years of work.
A miracle happening in real time. Fingers obey the mind. When you're free, you're free indeed.
Some of us are Beautiful, Loved and Blessed, and it's, very suprisingly, comforting.
God ain't a total bitch, after all. He gave us Prince harmonizing ad libitum.

[Edited 11/10/18 15:48pm]

I love the way you write. It gave me a mental boner. Thank you