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Prince on When We're Dancing Close and Slow, With You, Still Waiting and It's Gonna Be Lonely... ...are among my FAVOURITE Prince slow-jams but never quite make it up there with the likes of Do Me, Baby, International Lover, The Beautiful Ones and Adore.
What do you think of them, and the Prince album as a whole? Do you also tend to overlook this era, and why?  | |
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Anji said: ...are among my FAVOURITE Prince slow-jams but never quite make it up there with the likes of Do Me, Baby, International Lover, The Beautiful Ones and Adore.
What do you think of them, and the Prince album as a whole? Do you also tend to overlook this era, and why? It's Gonna Be Lonely...is one of my all-time favorites...mostly because it was the very first song by Prince I ever heard...so the sentimental value of it, for me is enormous. IMHO, the Album itself is nothing but Prince at his finest. ___________________
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A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. | |
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Add 'So Blue' to this list. Love the vocals...
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I think Prince is a great pop record, much stronger than For You, which is hit and miss. | |
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Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I think I'd like to disagree with you on this one point, Brendan. The only thing is, I don't really have the experience to debate my point of view. Where's Supernova when you need her?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. 
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Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
Agreed.
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. . [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 16:00:11 PDT 2003 by Anji] | |
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Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
Disagreed."When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. | |
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Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I'm not sure about this point, Brendan. Are you?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history.  | |
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VelvetSplash said: I think Prince is a great pop record, much stronger than For You, which is hit and miss. I used to think that too. Not anymore...
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Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I think I'd like to disagree with you on this one point, Brendan. The only thing is, I don't really have the experience to debate my point of view. Where's Supernova when you need her?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history.
. [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 15:50:45 PDT 2003 by Anji] Because he was doing everything himself you certainly were put on alert as to the possibility of a major new talent arriving on the scene, but not so much because of the music. Then "Dirty Mind" hit and there are at least 6 magnificient songs on there, as well as a unique perspective that showed he was going to be a true artist for years to come, not just some guy that writes stuff almost as good as Stevie Wonder. I really should proofread.   [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 16:00:39 PDT 2003 by Brendan] | |
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Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
Disagreed."When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. In what way? I think "D&P" is better record, more listenable from start to finish and that "Prince" is too uneven, contains perhaps 40% filler, but that they are somewhat on par in terms of their radio appeal. -- [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 16:05:52 PDT 2003 by Brendan] | |
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Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I'm not sure about this point, Brendan. Are you?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. Yes. Don't make me list them because it would take a long time. | |
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Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I think I'd like to disagree with you on this one point, Brendan. The only thing is, I don't really have the experience to debate my point of view. Where's Supernova when you need her?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history.
. [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 15:50:45 PDT 2003 by Anji] Because he was doing everything himself you certainly were put on alert as to the possibility of a major new talent arriving on the scene, but not so much because of the music. Then "Dirty Mind" hit and there are at least 6 magnificient songs on there, as well as a unique perspective that showed he was going to be a true artist for years to come, not just some guy that writes stuff almost as good as Stevie Wonder. | |
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Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
Disagreed."When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. In what way? I think "D&P" is better record, more listenable from start to finish and that "Prince" is too uneven, contains perhaps 40% filler, but that they are somewhat on par in terms of their radio appeal. -- | |
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Anji said: Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I think I'd like to disagree with you on this one point, Brendan. The only thing is, I don't really have the experience to debate my point of view. Where's Supernova when you need her?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history.
. [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 15:50:45 PDT 2003 by Anji] Because he was doing everything himself you certainly were put on alert as to the possibility of a major new talent arriving on the scene, but not so much because of the music. Then "Dirty Mind" hit and there are at least 6 magnificient songs on there, as well as a unique perspective that showed he was going to be a true artist for years to come, not just some guy that writes stuff almost as good as Stevie Wonder. Yes, but Prince is in total control of his music. If he didn't think it was worthy, I doubt he would've released it. Not only that, it was Prince the artist that came up with that brilliant material in the first place. Sometimes as an artist you might not know the brilliance you're sitting on shortly after creation, but eventually you do see the light. | |
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Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I think I'd like to disagree with you on this one point, Brendan. The only thing is, I don't really have the experience to debate my point of view. Where's Supernova when you need her?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history.
. [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 15:50:45 PDT 2003 by Anji] Because he was doing everything himself you certainly were put on alert as to the possibility of a major new talent arriving on the scene, but not so much because of the music. Then "Dirty Mind" hit and there are at least 6 magnificient songs on there, as well as a unique perspective that showed he was going to be a true artist for years to come, not just some guy that writes stuff almost as good as Stevie Wonder. Yes, but Prince is in total control of his music. If he didn't think it was worthy, I doubt he would've released it. Not only that, it was Prince the artist that came up with that brilliant material in the first place. Sometimes as an artist you might not know the brilliance you're sitting on shortly after creation, but eventually you do see the light. Are you equating the presentation of his music (and his input towards that) with the actual making of the music? I don't think these are of equal credit to Prince during Dirty Mind. | |
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Anji said: Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
Disagreed."When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history. In what way? I think "D&P" is better record, more listenable from start to finish and that "Prince" is too uneven, contains perhaps 40% filler, but that they are somewhat on par in terms of their radio appeal. -- That was totally wrong of me. I said that quickly without enough thought. We'd don’t want to get into a whole tangential discussion on what "filler" really constitutes. But even the way I define the word, I don't think there is any filler on this album. How is that for a quick turnaround? When I'm wrong, I'm wrong! :O) To me it's just an uneven listen. You get three very good pop songs, then a track that drags on too long and another track that is far from great, then you're back to near greatness with "Bambi" only to find more sweetness, but less accomplished balladry in the form of "Still Waiting". Then you're back to listening to another good song and then the all-important closing track were back to dragging like "When we're Dancing". I also want to point out another area where I was less than accurate with my language. I would label the tracks "Bambi", "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "I Feel For You" all as being examples of great songwriting, but he still wasn't there with the production. These songs have since been played in magnificent ways live that show these particular compositions true brilliance. Thanks for allowing me the clarification.  | |
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Anji said: Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: Anji said: Brendan said: A hit-and-miss record for the radio on par with but less polished than "Diamonds & Pearls".
I think I'd like to disagree with you on this one point, Brendan. The only thing is, I don't really have the experience to debate my point of view. Where's Supernova when you need her?
"When We're Dancing Close and Slow" feels really good for about 3 minutes, but it drags at more than 5. His early ballads are very sweet and nice, some very nice, but I don't think he really achieved greatness in his ballads until "Do Me, Baby". While I think he wrote more great funk in the 80s, he wrote more great ballads in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong, I don't think he topped his greatest ballads from the 80s, there's just more ballads that are of high quality in the 90s. In the 70s he was still very much feeling his way around as a songwriter. There were certainly few if any signs on those first 2 albums pointing to this guy becoming one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters in history.
. [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 15:50:45 PDT 2003 by Anji] Because he was doing everything himself you certainly were put on alert as to the possibility of a major new talent arriving on the scene, but not so much because of the music. Then "Dirty Mind" hit and there are at least 6 magnificient songs on there, as well as a unique perspective that showed he was going to be a true artist for years to come, not just some guy that writes stuff almost as good as Stevie Wonder. Yes, but Prince is in total control of his music. If he didn't think it was worthy, I doubt he would've released it. Not only that, it was Prince the artist that came up with that brilliant material in the first place. Sometimes as an artist you might not know the brilliance you're sitting on shortly after creation, but eventually you do see the light. Are you equating the presentation of his music (and his input towards that) with the actual making of the music? I don't think these are of equal credit to Prince during Dirty Mind. Prince was also in control of the production and what ultimately he chose to release. No one forced him into releasing this, but they may have helped him see the light of his own brilliance. It's like, "Prince, um, do you realize what you've got here?! This is scary new funk/punk, the likes of which have never quite been heard before." [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 16:31:04 PDT 2003 by Brendan] | |
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I'll get back to you on your thoughts later, Brendan. I gotta sleep now but I am left with one distinct thought - that you have yet to fully see the light of the songs mentioned in the thread title.
Likewise, I liked them but also somewhat dismissed their appeal (until very recently). Maybe this is a question of taste but I also think there's something else at play here. In some ways, I feel like assuming the role of your management, asking you to reconsider the Prince album as a whole, but that would be too laughable for words! | |
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The recent tour and the celebration performances of last
year really rekindled my interest in the first two Prince albums. And I have to admit, I never really gave them that much attention before. Especially "For You" was an album I had always dismissed as dull and lame. But after listening to them again and giving them repeated spins in the car and at work, I am growing very fond of both of them. Especially "With U" and "When we're dancing" are amongst my fav Prince songs now. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I really like 'With You' - short and sweet.
Though I have to admit I actually prefer Jill Jones' version of it. just seems to have a little bit 'more' to it (dunno why). | |
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Anji said: I'll get back to you on your thoughts later, Brendan. I gotta sleep now but I am left with one distinct thought - that you have yet to fully see the light of the songs mentioned in the thread title.
Likewise, I liked them but also somewhat dismissed their appeal (until very recently). Maybe this is a question of taste but I also think there's something else at play here. In some ways, I feel like assuming the role of your management, asking you to reconsider the Prince album as a whole, but that would be too laughable for words! And you might be right.  
As you can tell my thoughts on this album aren’t as well-defined as others, which means I probably haven’t been as fair with it as I should be. But I’m always open to changing my mind and admitting my failures and foibles. The thing about Prince – and all great artists for that matter -- is that you can’t just outright dismiss anything. I mean you can, and I have, but I also have ended up looking like a complete fool. You really need to do your homework. For example, when I heard "With You" live on "Xenophobia", I was awakened to its qualities. It's a whole lot better song than I gave it credit for initially. There are also songs that I've overrated when I first heard them. I think the important thing is to always be open to change, as there are so many biases that get in the way of hearing something for what it is, good or bad. When I first heard "With You" I still had an ugly bias against country music and it started out too twangy and made it hard for me to hear. A few years ago I dropped that silly country-music bias, but I hadn't revisited "With You" until I heard it live. I was wrong. I will be wrong again.  | |
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Both "Prince" & "For You" are insanely underrated  Maybe it's b/c I can remember Soft & Wet/IWBYL being played on the radio & around the house that I embrace those albums rather than dismiss them (which lots of fans seem to do). I love hearing those early kernels of his artistry. "It's Gonna Be Lonely" is probably my favorite song from both albums combined. It's gentle, heartfelt, builds into some great emotion & just takes me in every time. I get into zones where I put those 2 albums on repeat for days
:O I'm talking a LOT on this I'll stop now    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Anji said: ...are among my FAVOURITE Prince slow-jams but never quite make it up there with the likes of Do Me, Baby, International Lover, The Beautiful Ones and Adore.
What do you think of them, and the Prince album as a whole? Do you also tend to overlook this era, and why? funny you should mention these 3 album cuts anji-i've been playing them a lot lately. that second album is still nice after all of these years. when we're dancing close and slow is one my fave cuts,he ever done. i've doen this one with some music buddies of mine...very simple chord wise-what makes it work is the subtle performance. prince's drumming is like the beating of a heart...man what a underrated classic. still waiting i've never done it on guitar but i've sang it...a hard one to sing. its gonna be lonely ...superb harmonies ... i just played "feel for you" and much as i like chaka's version prince's is the BEST one. by the way he wrote this one for patrice rushen (who could have done this!) but she turned it down. (an early classic you never hear anymore is CRAZY You.) yeah anji those second album tunes are GREAT. | |
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youngca said: (an early classic you never hear anymore is CRAZY You.)
Crazy You is lovely!! [This message was edited Sun Apr 20 18:42:35 PDT 2003 by CalhounSq] I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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 think that you must deal with Prince at
the time of each recording. Throughout his career, think that he convened whatever
he was feeling at that time. still believe
that "For You" illustrated an innocence.
The calm before the storm, so to speak. have followed his career, and each
album is a different genre to me. Whether Prince was breaking it down regarding family issues, war, peace, love, etc. just try to
listen with my spirit when check out
a Prince CD. "A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1 People can slam their door, disagree and fight it But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son? United States of Division"     | |
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I love the 'Prince' album.It's a special album for me because it's the first time I heard Prince.My mother bought this album after hearing "Still Waiting",and it became a family favorite.This was in 1980 and I've been a diehard fan ever since.
"With You","Still Waiting" and "It's Gonna Be Lonely" are probably the most soulful,most heartfelt,most beautiful ballads that Prince has ever done.There is genuine emotion in these tracks! | |
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Brendan said: Anji said: I'll get back to you on your thoughts later, Brendan. I gotta sleep now but I am left with one distinct thought - that you have yet to fully see the light of the songs mentioned in the thread title.
Likewise, I liked them but also somewhat dismissed their appeal (until very recently). Maybe this is a question of taste but I also think there's something else at play here. In some ways, I feel like assuming the role of your management, asking you to reconsider the Prince album as a whole, but that would be too laughable for words! And you might be right.
As you can tell my thoughts on this album aren’t as well-defined as others, which means I probably haven’t been as fair with it as I should be. But I’m always open to changing my mind and admitting my failures and foibles. The thing about Prince – and all great artists for that matter -- is that you can’t just outright dismiss anything. I mean you can, and I have, but I also have ended up looking like a complete fool. You really need to do your homework. For example, when I heard "With You" live on "Xenophobia", I was awakened to its qualities. It's a whole lot better song than I gave it credit for initially. There are also songs that I've overrated when I first heard them. I think the important thing is to always be open to change, as there are so many biases that get in the way of hearing something for what it is, good or bad. When I first heard "With You" I still had an ugly bias against country music and it started out too twangy and made it hard for me to hear. A few years ago I dropped that silly country-music bias, but I hadn't revisited "With You" until I heard it live. I was wrong. I will be wrong again. | |
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DavidEye said: I love the 'Prince' album.It's a special album for me because it's the first time I heard Prince.My mother bought this album after hearing "Still Waiting",and it became a family favorite.This was in 1980 and I've been a diehard fan ever since.
I was waiting for your input on this one, David! Afterall, how many times you gonna tell this story?
"With You","Still Waiting" and "It's Gonna Be Lonely" are probably the most soulful,most heartfelt,most beautiful ballads that Prince has ever done.There is genuine emotion in these tracks! | |
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