Astasheiks said:

This is a Cool Thread, love seeing these Photos and Purple History!!!

Allen's photos are all over the web.
They're astounding. Seeing Prince gaining confidence
right under our eyes, it's thrilling. And he's fucking handsome,
Jagger and Bowie never looked that way.

The picture below kinda makes you realize that, of course,
he was doing checks from the audience seats from early on, before the shows became gigantic.
Judging by the live performances in his first two years,
who would have guessed Prince would turn into the best show maker of them all?
He still holds the best concert videos, 30 years after.

At 24 the man was already miles above, or ahead,
no wonder everyone around followed the star.

Work, work, work.
And then some more.
But all we hear is fun.
How is that even possible?

bonatoc said:

Astasheiks said:

This is a Cool Thread, love seeing these Photos and Purple History!!!

Allen's photos are all over the web.
They're astounding. Seeing Prince gaining confidence
right under our eyes, it's thrilling. And he's fucking handsome,
Jagger and Bowie never looked that way.

The picture below kinda makes you realize that, of course,
he was doing checks from the audience seats from early on, before the shows became gigantic.
Judging by the live performances in his first two years,
who would have guessed Prince would turn into the best show maker of them all?
He still holds the best concert videos, 30 years after.

At 24 the man was already miles above, or ahead,
no wonder everyone around followed the star.

Work, work, work.
And then some more.
But all we hear is fun.
How is that even possible?

Gorgeous picture. Seems he had most of it all figured out by age 12....

Look what I found!! Probably the only comments by Prince regarding this very historic Rolling Stones concert. His interview with the LA Times Fall of 1982 to promote the 1999 album. The last one he did until 1985!! His perspective on the crowd is interesting - he states there were only two hecklers, but obviously based on the amount of trash thrown there were more than two.

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"For the nearly 100.000 people who were on hand and the thousands of others who heard about it. Prince may be best known in Los Angeles as the guy who was booed off the stage when he opened last year for the Rolling Stones at the Memorial Coliseum.

Rock-oriented radio stations avoid playing records by black artists, even if the records have a rock slant, because they feel rock fans associate any black artist these days with the dreaded disco. This black-out has only reinforced the rock audience’s intolerance for contemporary black music.

Though the almost exclusively white audience at the Stones show listened to the nostalgic strains of Jimi Hendrix records during intermission, many near the front of the stage hurled paper cups and shouted obscenities when Prince began playing, eventually driving him from the stage briefly.

"When we first went on the stage, a lot of people were throwing things and making noises.” Prince recalled. “At first, I thought it was funny. I figured ’We’d better just play.’ When I looked up a bit later, it had simmered down and a lot of people seemed relaxed. But there was this one dude right in front, and you could see hatred all over his face.

"What was really strange was there was only two of them. We kept playing and the one of them noticed that everyone else (in the crowd) had cooled out. So he tried to stop this other dude. but the guy wouldn’t stop. The reason I left was because I didn’t want to stay anymore. I just wanted to fight—to fight him. I was really angry.”

Smiling for one of the few times in the interview, Prince added that if he had been able to reach the heckler. “They wouldn’t have found him. He just didn’t want to see me. I was thinking, ’Look. I’ve only got 20 minutes up here. If you can’t deal with that, we’ve got to go outside and work it out* But I couldn’t get at him and I was frustrated.”

But what about reaching that rock audience?

Prince’s new album has entered the pop charts nicely. and the single is a hit on pop, dance and black music charts. But neither is on the list of Top 50 records on Billboard magazine’s check of rock radio playlists.

Steve Fargnoli, Prince’s manager, is disappointed by rock radio’s resistance to black artists. “To me. tracks like ’Little Red Corvette’ and ’Delirious’ are classic rock ’n’ roll records. I just think stations are more concerned with what they think the image of an artist is than with what the music is. Those few rock stations who have played Prince have gotten good response. I don’t know what the alternative is other than to keep doing what we’re doing. Slowly and surely, the demographics are shifting every tour. White kids are beginning to pick up on what’s happening.” "

violetcrush said:

Look what I found!! Probably the only comments by Prince regarding this very historic Rolling Stones concert. His interview with the LA Times Fall of 1982 to promote the 1999 album. The last one he did until 1985!! His perspective on the crowd is interesting - he states there were only two hecklers, but obviously based on the amount of trash thrown there were more than two.

*

"For the nearly 100.000 people who were on hand and the thousands of others who heard about it. Prince may be best known in Los Angeles as the guy who was booed off the stage when he opened last year for the Rolling Stones at the Memorial Coliseum.

Rock-oriented radio stations avoid playing records by black artists, even if the records have a rock slant, because they feel rock fans associate any black artist these days with the dreaded disco. This black-out has only reinforced the rock audience’s intolerance for contemporary black music.

Though the almost exclusively white audience at the Stones show listened to the nostalgic strains of Jimi Hendrix records during intermission, many near the front of the stage hurled paper cups and shouted obscenities when Prince began playing, eventually driving him from the stage briefly.

"When we first went on the stage, a lot of people were throwing things and making noises.” Prince recalled. “At first, I thought it was funny. I figured ’We’d better just play.’ When I looked up a bit later, it had simmered down and a lot of people seemed relaxed. But there was this one dude right in front, and you could see hatred all over his face.

"What was really strange was there was only two of them. We kept playing and the one of them noticed that everyone else (in the crowd) had cooled out. So he tried to stop this other dude. but the guy wouldn’t stop. The reason I left was because I didn’t want to stay anymore. I just wanted to fight—to fight him. I was really angry.”

Smiling for one of the few times in the interview, Prince added that if he had been able to reach the heckler. “They wouldn’t have found him. He just didn’t want to see me. I was thinking, ’Look. I’ve only got 20 minutes up here. If you can’t deal with that, we’ve got to go outside and work it out* But I couldn’t get at him and I was frustrated.”

But what about reaching that rock audience?

Prince’s new album has entered the pop charts nicely. and the single is a hit on pop, dance and black music charts. But neither is on the list of Top 50 records on Billboard magazine’s check of rock radio playlists.

Steve Fargnoli, Prince’s manager, is disappointed by rock radio’s resistance to black artists. “To me. tracks like ’Little Red Corvette’ and ’Delirious’ are classic rock ’n’ roll records. I just think stations are more concerned with what they think the image of an artist is than with what the music is. Those few rock stations who have played Prince have gotten good response. I don’t know what the alternative is other than to keep doing what we’re doing. Slowly and surely, the demographics are shifting every tour. White kids are beginning to pick up on what’s happening.” "

Great find.

You're about to be right in about eighteen months, Steve.

violetcrush said:

Look what I found!! Probably the only comments by Prince regarding this very historic Rolling Stones concert. His interview with the LA Times Fall of 1982 to promote the 1999 album. The last one he did until 1985!! His perspective on the crowd is interesting - he states there were only two hecklers, but obviously based on the amount of trash thrown there were more than two.

*

"For the nearly 100.000 people who were on hand and the thousands of others who heard about it. Prince may be best known in Los Angeles as the guy who was booed off the stage when he opened last year for the Rolling Stones at the Memorial Coliseum.

Rock-oriented radio stations avoid playing records by black artists, even if the records have a rock slant, because they feel rock fans associate any black artist these days with the dreaded disco. This black-out has only reinforced the rock audience’s intolerance for contemporary black music.

Though the almost exclusively white audience at the Stones show listened to the nostalgic strains of Jimi Hendrix records during intermission, many near the front of the stage hurled paper cups and shouted obscenities when Prince began playing, eventually driving him from the stage briefly.

"When we first went on the stage, a lot of people were throwing things and making noises.” Prince recalled. “At first, I thought it was funny. I figured ’We’d better just play.’ When I looked up a bit later, it had simmered down and a lot of people seemed relaxed. But there was this one dude right in front, and you could see hatred all over his face.

"What was really strange was there was only two of them. We kept playing and the one of them noticed that everyone else (in the crowd) had cooled out. So he tried to stop this other dude. but the guy wouldn’t stop. The reason I left was because I didn’t want to stay anymore. I just wanted to fight—to fight him. I was really angry.”

Smiling for one of the few times in the interview, Prince added that if he had been able to reach the heckler. “They wouldn’t have found him. He just didn’t want to see me. I was thinking, ’Look. I’ve only got 20 minutes up here. If you can’t deal with that, we’ve got to go outside and work it out* But I couldn’t get at him and I was frustrated.”

But what about reaching that rock audience?

Prince’s new album has entered the pop charts nicely. and the single is a hit on pop, dance and black music charts. But neither is on the list of Top 50 records on Billboard magazine’s check of rock radio playlists.

Steve Fargnoli, Prince’s manager, is disappointed by rock radio’s resistance to black artists. “To me. tracks like ’Little Red Corvette’ and ’Delirious’ are classic rock ’n’ roll records. I just think stations are more concerned with what they think the image of an artist is than with what the music is. Those few rock stations who have played Prince have gotten good response. I don’t know what the alternative is other than to keep doing what we’re doing. Slowly and surely, the demographics are shifting every tour. White kids are beginning to pick up on what’s happening.” "

Here's the whole thing:

http://prince.org/msg/7/27822?pr

bonatoc said:

paulludvig said:

bonatoc said:

Allen's photos are all over the web.
They're astounding. Seeing Prince gaining confidence
right under our eyes, it's thrilling. And he's fucking handsome,
Jagger and Bowie never looked that way.

The picture below kinda makes you realize that, of course,
he was doing checks from the audience seats from early on, before the shows became gigantic.
Judging by the live performances in his first two years,
who would have guessed Prince would turn into the best show maker of them all?
He still holds the best concert videos, 30 years after.

At 24 the man was already miles above, or ahead,
no wonder everyone around followed the star.

Work, work, work.
And then some more.
But all we hear is fun.
How is that even possible?

It wasn't all work. Prince was hugely talented.

I don't see a contradiction.
And yes, work is all it was.

Agreed Bonatoc. He worked his ass off from the age of 12 forward. All in his camp, going back to the early days, have confirmed that - Jimmy Jam, Pepe Willie, the Engineers, etc. They have all stated he practiced around the clock. Yes, he had a natural talent and abillity, but anyone who thinks he didn't put in major effort to hone his craft is quite naive.

bonatoc said:

violetcrush said:

rogifan said:

violetcrush said:

Agreed Bonatoc. He worked his ass off from the age of 12 forward. All in his camp, going back to the early days, have confirmed that - Jimmy Jam, Pepe Willie, the Engineers, etc. They have all stated he practiced around the clock. Yes, he had a natural talent and abillity, but anyone who thinks he didn't put in major effort to hone his craft is quite naive.

There was a story from a guy who worked at Paisley (mostly just doing oddd jobs and cleaning up after events). He said he once mustered up the courage to ask Prince a question. He asked Prince how he made his guitar playing look so effortless. Prince responded that when he was a kid he would sit in his bedroom and play his guitar until his fingers bled. Sure Prince had lots of natural talent but he also worked his ass off his entire career.

Exactly rogifan. Jimmy Jam, in one of the documentaries back in the late 90's or early 2000's I think, said Prince never stopped. He said Prince would rehearse with The Time for hours, then go rehearse with his band until late into the evening, and then go home and write songs. He was like, Prince came to him one morning with a tape of 1999 and he was like "dude, when did you write this?"

[Edited 10/28/18 15:36pm]

rogifan said:

violetcrush said:

Agreed Bonatoc. He worked his ass off from the age of 12 forward. All in his camp, going back to the early days, have confirmed that - Jimmy Jam, Pepe Willie, the Engineers, etc. They have all stated he practiced around the clock. Yes, he had a natural talent and abillity, but anyone who thinks he didn't put in major effort to hone his craft is quite naive.

There was a story from a guy who worked at Paisley (mostly just doing oddd jobs and cleaning up after events). He said he once mustered up the courage to ask Prince a question. He asked Prince how he made his guitar playing look so effortless. Prince responded that when he was a kid he would sit in his bedroom and play his guitar until his fingers bled. Sure Prince had lots of natural talent but he also worked his ass off his entire career.

It's a virtuous circle: the more Prince gained in confidence (practicing more than one instrument helps a great deal), the more he was able to immerse himself. I don't know if it comes from Bernadette The Lady, but Prince sensed early on the virtue of hard work. He understood the chance of being a musician. The more he went after his heroes, the more he found a musical sphere entirely of his own. It didn't happen overnight. And when he got there, in the personal sphere, by then he had so many musical push-ups behind him, well, the personality of it all became indisputable. Fingers obey the mind. Fantasy just had to do what it does. And Thank God, Prince was funny, and clever, and witty. It changes everything.

But a great deal of loneliness seems to be the price. It's understandable: pretend you're Prince, if you look around you, who works with such passion? Even among your closest friends? And after ten years confidence reaches levels so high, a reality distortion field appears. People don't know how to behave. When was the last time you met someone so passionate about her work so there's no need or time to sleep or eat? The more Prince went into his musical world, the more he drifted away from the real world. What is incredible is managing it so well: staying where his roots were, was his best move ever. For the rest, thank God he was only human. He's the only one who got out of this absurd wock'n'woll circus sane of mind.
He lost his body in the battle, SKipper deserves a bunch of medals and more.
Long live the nineties, they're the decade where a man is at war with himself,
where he pretends he never existed, where he starts anew. You don't get more artistical than this.
As for Prince's twenties, he's blossoming, and it's fascinating to see him finding himself.

The drive is all.
The rest is the Blue Fairy. Hey, I never said she didn't exist!

Prince said it himself:
Everybody can sing.
There's more to genius than the word, my sister.

"The key to longevity is to learn every aspect of music that you can."

Appearing on The View, Prince gave some sage advice to Justin Bieber, and aspiring musicians everywhere.

[Edited 10/29/18 8:11am]

paulludvig said:

bonatoc said:

I don't see a contradiction.
And yes, work is all it was.

I can't believe you actually think that! Right, he was just an avarage guy with a strong work ethic. I guess his band members were the people with real talent?

No one is born being able to do anything. If Prince never decided to learn how to play guitar, or piano etc, then he wouldn't know how to play those instruments. Practise and dedication is the only reason he can play. In that regard it was 100% hard work.

dandan said:

paulludvig said:

I can't believe you actually think that! Right, he was just an avarage guy with a strong work ethic. I guess his band members were the people with real talent?

No one is born being able to do anything. If Prince never decided to learn how to play guitar, or piano etc, then he wouldn't know how to play those instruments. Practise and dedication is the only reason he can play. In that regard it was 100% hard work.

Your horns are showing about band members.
Who said anything about them?

And it's not a "strong work ethic".
An IBM consulent has a "strong work ethic".

It's unstoppable passion. Faith can move mountains
AND a little dude from Minnesota.

And you should know I consider Prince many things,
and "average guy" is not one of them.

bonatoc said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Seriously, we've spent decades with only one or two grainy B&W pics while Allen was sitting on at least half a dozen glorious color pics of this gig?

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How many treasures are still locked away in the archives of his entourage back then? What's next, someone finding an alternate cut of Purple Rain featuring previously unknown scenes in a box in their basement?

.

Getting so annoyed at this. Same as with all those band members etc. suddenly willing to talk to Duane Tudahl after his book is published.

.

And we likely wouldn't have gotten none of this if Prince hadn't died.

Seriously why does it bother you , you hate Prince.

bonatoc said:

dandan said:

No one is born being able to do anything. If Prince never decided to learn how to play guitar, or piano etc, then he wouldn't know how to play those instruments. Practise and dedication is the only reason he can play. In that regard it was 100% hard work.

Your horns are showing about band members.
Who said anything about them?

And it's not a "strong work ethic".
An IBM consulent has a "strong work ethic".

It's unstoppable passion. Faith can move mountains
AND a little dude from Minnesota.

And you should know I consider Prince many things,
and "average guy" is not one of them.

And Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page etc, etc. just 100% hard work non one has talent.

Guitarhero said:

And Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page etc, etc. just 100% hard work non one has talent.

I'd say everyone has talent.
Look, even America (according to rumors).

Guitarhero said:

NorthC said:

Guitarhero said:

Seriously why does it bother you , you hate Prince.

No, he doesn't. Bart just has a "Strange Way Of Saying I love U".

Spot on

NorthC said:

Guitarhero said:

Seriously why does it bother you , you hate Prince.

No, he doesn't. Bart just has a "Strange Way Of Saying I love U".

rogifan said:

violetcrush said:

Agreed Bonatoc. He worked his ass off from the age of 12 forward. All in his camp, going back to the early days, have confirmed that - Jimmy Jam, Pepe Willie, the Engineers, etc. They have all stated he practiced around the clock. Yes, he had a natural talent and abillity, but anyone who thinks he didn't put in major effort to hone his craft is quite naive.

There was a story from a guy who worked at Paisley (mostly just doing oddd jobs and cleaning up after events). He said he once mustered up the courage to ask Prince a question. He asked Prince how he made his guitar playing look so effortless. Prince responded that when he was a kid he would sit in his bedroom and play his guitar until his fingers bled. Sure Prince had lots of natural talent but he also worked his ass off his entire career.

purplethunder3121 said:

NorthC said:

Guitarhero said: No, he doesn't. Bart just has a "Strange Way Of Saying I love U".

Wut wuz dat?

bonatoc said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Wut wuz dat?

bonatoc said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Wut wuz dat?

Lisa Coleman!!!