steakfinger said:

ufoclub said:

rogifan said:

ufoclub said:

Can you find an example of another song that sounds this similar?

Are you asking specifically about Prince or just in general? What about Chicago’s 25 or 6 to 4 which sounds a lot like Led Zeppelin’s version of Babe I’m Gonna Leve You.

Speakig of Zeppelin, they likely even stole that from someone else. The band is notorious for lifting tracks from lesser known bands, including "Stairway to Heaven" and has been taken to court for it multiple times.

ufoclub said:

I really like the song apart from the verses where he mentions what happens to a child without a mother or a father. I don't think the parent's gender matters that much.

FullLipsDotNose said:

I really like the song apart from the verses where he mentions what happens to a child without a mother or a father. I don't think the parent's gender matters that much.

well you must either be a woman or an adult gay male who's mother bonded. It matters a helluva lot. that's why nature made us the way were are. I've dealt with plenty of momma's boys and they are useless, absolutely useless.

Killer tune... massive upgrade on that Makeba's sample.

herb4 said:

rogifan said:

ufoclub said:

Can you find an example of another song that sounds this similar?

Are you asking specifically about Prince or just in general? What about Chicago’s 25 or 6 to 4 which sounds a lot like Led Zeppelin’s version of Babe I’m Gonna Leve You.

I asking specifically for another 3rd instance of the common sound of Quit It / Colonized Mind to prove that it is a generic common song "shape" (chords, leadlines, vocals, tone).

dodger said:

ufoclub said:

Here is is, I think Prince took the mood and musical idea (reverb, chorus voice arrangement, and all) of this and made his own song "I Hate U"



Now I see nothing wrong with this... I think this is how all pop music artists work, they recycle elements that have already been popular and remix and perosnalize them with their own touch.

Haven't you caused enough shit with Colonized Mind, now you're opening another can of worms with I Hate U

Guess I'm a true rude boy!

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

I think that Colonized Mind is brilliant, but Prince should have credited Miriam Makeba if Quit It inspired CM, which I feel is the case.

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Did Prince ever say that? Did he ever mention Miriam Makeba as an influence?

I did not say that he said it. I am stating my opinion.

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The baselines in the two songs sound almost identical. Prince's rhythmic guitar obscures the baseline because the rhythic guitar basically plays throughout the whole song.

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The guitar solo at 3:04 in Colonized Mind sounds like the same notes as the piiano solo from 2:53-3:03 in Quit it.

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Cloud nine, no responsibility, you're floating in space feeling good (Quit It) 8 syllables

Down low, no responsibility, do what you want nobody cares. (Colonized Mind) 8 syllables

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I can't think of any other Prince songs that contain the phrase "No responsibility" besides Colonized Mind.

rogifan said:

herb4 said:

Speakig of Zeppelin, they likely even stole that from someone else. The band is notorious for lifting tracks from lesser known bands, including "Stairway to Heaven" and has been taken to court for it multiple times.

I thought that was a Joan Baez song.

ya, zep ripped off anything they felt like but goddamn they were good, they didn't have to.

I love it. This one and Dreamer are my favourites from Lotus. I appreciate the sentiment.

rogifan said:

herb4 said:

Speakig of Zeppelin, they likely even stole that from someone else. The band is notorious for lifting tracks from lesser known bands, including "Stairway to Heaven" and has been taken to court for it multiple times.

I thought that was a Joan Baez song.

Nope. It was a song by a band named "Spirit" that Zep had toured with once. The intro anyway. Here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZoVgFj2WHY

herb4 said:

rogifan said:

herb4 said: I thought that was a Joan Baez song.

Nope. It was a song by a band named "Spirit" that Zep had toured with once. The intro anyway. Here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZoVgFj2WHY

ya, funny how one fell to obscurity and the other became a classic, luck and place have a lot to do with success.

ufoclub said:

dodger said:

ufoclub said: Haven't you caused enough shit with Colonized Mind, now you're opening another can of worms with I Hate U

Guess I'm a true rude boy!

I'd consider that Bobby Caldwell song an R&B classic, but I wouldn't have ever framed it as an inspriation for "I Hate U." There are so many existing songs in that vein, only without those glorious organ riffs and guitar whelps that P & the NPG do--just sayin'.

coldasice said:

steakfinger said:

There is no need to make excuses. Maybe George Harrison lifting the the tune to He's So Fine for his own song My Sweet Lord was his attempt to raise the profile of the Chiffons. That's not how it works. If Prince wanted to raise someone's profile he would have just covered the song. How is stealing the music for an obscure song and replacing the lyrics going to do anything for the obscure artist is no one knows who she is?

It’s not the exact music. Prince added an extra chord.

My reasoning would be Prince being sly, just riding the line between insouience to personal shame (and lawsuits) and instead of burying the credit in liner notes, allowing astute people like us (his audience) to announce the true origin of the music, song, and its author, and motivate the ambiguous masses to rise up and take note while digging the presumed disgrace. Y'know? Nothing like a little scandal, Prince-style, to make a moment of popularity growth manifest! No excuses.

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Take it as U wish!

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Germanegro said:

ufoclub said:

Guess I'm a true rude boy!

I'd consider that Bobby Caldwell song an R&B classic, but I wouldn't have ever framed it as an inspriation for "I Hate U." There are so many existing songs in that vein, only without those glorious organ riffs and guitar whelps that P & the NPG do--just sayin'.

I'd love to hear another song in the same vein, can you link one here?

Quit it: C#m - B - F#7

Colonied mind: C#m - B - F#m

ufoclub said:

Germanegro said:

I'd consider that Bobby Caldwell song an R&B classic, but I wouldn't have ever framed it as an inspriation for "I Hate U." There are so many existing songs in that vein, only without those glorious organ riffs and guitar whelps that P & the NPG do--just sayin'.

I'd love to hear another song in the same vein, can you link one here?

years ago, there was a rumour here that eye hate u got prince sued by some songwriter here in seattle, i never found out anything other than that and couldn't find the rumor on here when i looked, it's probably here somewhere.

PeteSilas said:

luv2tha99s said:

PeteSilas said:

well you must either be a woman or an adult gay male who's mother bonded. It matters a helluva lot. that's why nature made us the way were are. I've dealt with plenty of momma's boys and they are useless, absolutely useless.

We're not THAT useless...

women raising sons is bad, i don't know why so many people defend that. it doesn't work. of course there will be exceptions who turn out ok but by and large they are just what I said, I'm not talking gay men/sexuality, the reason I mentioned gay men was that it seems many gay men will argue against the idea of needing a father when they can't even see the problems it might cause. For whatever reason, probably because I'm a nice guy, momma's boys (actually grown men) and boys (again, men) who had a father who wasn't really that involved with him gravitate towards me, maybe it's not because i'm a nice guy, maybe it's because they know they need someone to guide them, i really don't know but I've had to cut off several, they won't listen, i don't know who's going to put up with them but not me.

ufoclub said:

Germanegro said:

I'd consider that Bobby Caldwell song an R&B classic, but I wouldn't have ever framed it as an inspriation for "I Hate U." There are so many existing songs in that vein, only without those glorious organ riffs and guitar whelps that P & the NPG do--just sayin'.

I'd love to hear another song in the same vein, can you link one here?

Well, The Caldwell song is pretty distinctive--to the point that I'd call it a classic R&B single, but not similar enough in its pattern & stlyle to ring a bell as the basis for that Prince tune! The bass, drums, and keyboards in the Prince song sound to me like nothing other than some NPG-jamming. I'll take a stab and suggest another song that sounds more similar as Caldwell's to me than "I Hate U." I might not be able to hear what you're getting at in comparison, though.

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As far as music in the vein of mid-tempo with spoken-lyric inculsion (as the style of "I Hate U") is concerned, all other characteristics aside, my guess is there could be a list large enough to fill a large bucket.

sometimes its not the musical idea, but the lyrical idea and general message: