2045RadicalMattZ said:

All this time I'd been wondering "who or what the f? Is TTD?" Touchdown Terrell Davis? thankfully (i guess) i bothered myself to read here about it. Never would've guessed THAT GUY. .... one hit wonder. I'd have guessed the fascination with him cane from female admirers cause I've never really heard anything super worth a damn

2045RadicalMattZ said:

All this time I'd been wondering "who or what the f? Is TTD?" Touchdown Terrell Davis? thankfully (i guess) i bothered myself to read here about it. Never would've guessed THAT GUY. .... one hit wonder.

A Blue Ribbon award goes here to one who aint paid attention to the thread and comments anyway. Still, a good point is made.

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TTD was a bigmouth, which definitely set himself up for contention and adversity with the media, and jumped the gun against asstance from publicists who might've helped tap positive awareness by potential audiences. Proclaiming your own greatness isn't always endearing and in the media's eyes he knocked one of their greatest icons of popular music, The Beatles--ironically also one of TTD's own big influences. He made comments about the state of R&B music that were consciencious but could offend another segment of potential audience, as well. Prince had a big ego, but I don't think he made those kind of utterances. He was more in touch with his base audience. He couldn't have been afriad of TTD, but maybe been afraid for him.

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I think TTD's sophmore album NFNF followed the same trend as the Beatles had done, although in a more rapid transition, as The Beatles spent years covering straight-ahead Rock 'n Roll before adding psychedelic touches and experimental studio techniques to their music. TTD was disappointed by the plunge in interest, but Prince encouraged him to carry on creating his visions. Prince believed that one's inner-compass as a creative cannot be wrong, and as a fellow brother in the industry he supported him in that regard. This doesn't always translate to commerical success, as Prince fans can attest. There's been no shortage on the Org of comments on how poorly people think of Prince's music, too. Prince could relate to TTD's struggles as one wishing to manifest one's own concepts and balance them with popular tastes.

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So, yeah, TTD definitely moved himself out of the zeitgeist with NFNF. The mid-90s selling trends at that point were different: Grunge, Hip-Hop, pop groups laying a foundation for youth audiences, and electronica leading toward today's EDM scene. Prince would twine some of the trends to his unique stylings and that repelled some of his old-time fans, so the era had its impact on his popularity, too, name change aside. I don't know how much of TTD's music was played on the radio. Competition of MJ, Mariah Carey, Whiney Houston, etc. may have filled available slots, and that kind of exposure would've helped out much as the other media outlets mentioned earlier.

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TTD became a sophisticated offshoot from the 90s-scene. That's the lane where he's stayed after veering from the major-successful R&B of "The Hardline According to TTD." What he does with the current Post-Millenium Rock is unique and not ear-candy for some, like 2045RadicalMattZ attests. TTD's 3rd album SOD was great, but I guess he elevated beyond popular attention by that point. I think that Prince's advice has helped sustain him in his quest to keep doing what he will do.

blah blah...he made 5 great albums thats enough for Prince to notice

luvsexy4all said:

blah blah...he made 5 great albums thats enough for Prince to notice

notice is not the same as afraid plus ttd still isn't the only musical artist in the world prince would have noticed so I'm still waiting for the punchline.

This thread has inspired me to listen to Vibrator for the first time in ages. I'd forgotten how good it is -- possibly better than anything Prince released in the 90s.

TwiliteKid said:

This thread has inspired me to listen to Vibrator for the first time in ages. I'd forgotten how good it is -- possibly better than anything Prince released in the 90s.

Yeah, I just re-downloaded his cds. Here comes the fried chicken again.

What funny this thread is only about trying to annoy people, which in a way it is but not in the way it is intended to because those who weren't already a fan don't really care.

onlyforaminute said:

What funny this thread is only about trying to annoy people, which in a way it is but not in the way it is intended to because those who weren't already a fan don't really care.

everything is subjective, everything, like i said but i don't see how anyone could listen to ttd and not have their minds blown by something.

rdhull said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

All this time I'd been wondering "who or what the f? Is TTD?" Touchdown Terrell Davis? thankfully (i guess) i bothered myself to read here about it. Never would've guessed THAT GUY. .... one hit wonder. I'd have guessed the fascination with him cane from female admirers cause I've never really heard anything super worth a damn

oh that's fucked up, don't talk about my boy, ttd wasn't even something people talked about, no one cept his few fans so I know your'e fucking with us.

great summation, I don't really know, still don't know what to make of the failure. I thought of the changing trends, that was a big one by 92, all the sudden people wanted some poorly dressed scrub with green hair singing about how much angst he was in, usually with rudimentary technique, backlash is always inevitable, after all the flash of the late eighties, the big hair, the often brilliant musicianship, it was natural that things would go back to basics. Hip Hop also was a worry, none of the 80's stars had an easy time of it, so far as I know, the only one who wasn't really bothered or worried by declining sales was Bruce Springsteen but he obviously noticed, he used a hip hop beat for the Philadelphia tune. MJ did some clever stuff, elongating his melodies and adding a ton of words to his songs as he did in Jam to reply to the new Music, he also released some of his best post thriller work on the blood on the dance floor album in response to cobain and trent reznor. MJ was no slouch, Prince may have actually done the poorest job of integrating rap and dealing with the new music, tony m took away from songs for me but it worked, diamonds and pearls sold, when P tried to go gangsta no one bought that one, that was a big mistake. gun mikes and shit. even though I love the symbol album, for many listeners, they let the rap ruin some great tunes for them. I thought it was a fantastic album inspite of it.

Germanegro said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

All this time I'd been wondering "who or what the f? Is TTD?" Touchdown Terrell Davis? thankfully (i guess) i bothered myself to read here about it. Never would've guessed THAT GUY. .... one hit wonder.

A Blue Ribbon award goes here to one who aint paid attention to the thread and comments anyway. Still, a good point is made.

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TTD was a bigmouth, which definitely set himself up for contention and adversity with the media, and jumped the gun against asstance from publicists who might've helped tap positive awareness by potential audiences. Proclaiming your own greatness isn't always endearing and in the media's eyes he knocked one of their greatest icons of popular music, The Beatles--ironically also one of TTD's own big influences. He made comments about the state of R&B music that were consciencious but could offend another segment of potential audience, as well. Prince had a big ego, but I don't think he made those kind of utterances. He was more in touch with his base audience. He couldn't have been afriad of TTD, but maybe been afraid for him.

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I think TTD's sophmore album NFNF followed the same trend as the Beatles had done, although in a more rapid transition, as The Beatles spent years covering straight-ahead Rock 'n Roll before adding psychedelic touches and experimental studio techniques to their music. TTD was disappointed by the plunge in interest, but Prince encouraged him to carry on creating his visions. Prince believed that one's inner-compass as a creative cannot be wrong, and as a fellow brother in the industry he supported him in that regard. This doesn't always translate to commerical success, as Prince fans can attest. There's been no shortage on the Org of comments on how poorly people think of Prince's music, too. Prince could relate to TTD's struggles as one wishing to manifest one's own concepts and balance them with popular tastes.

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So, yeah, TTD definitely moved himself out of the zeitgeist with NFNF. The mid-90s selling trends at that point were different: Grunge, Hip-Hop, pop groups laying a foundation for youth audiences, and electronica leading toward today's EDM scene. Prince would twine some of the trends to his unique stylings and that repelled some of his old-time fans, so the era had its impact on his popularity, too, name change aside. I don't know how much of TTD's music was played on the radio. Competition of MJ, Mariah Carey, Whiney Houston, etc. may have filled available slots, and that kind of exposure would've helped out much as the other media outlets mentioned earlier.

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TTD became a sophisticated offshoot from the 90s-scene. That's the lane where he's stayed after veering from the major-successful R&B of "The Hardline According to TTD." What he does with the current Post-Millenium Rock is unique and not ear-candy for some, like 2045RadicalMattZ attests. TTD's 3rd album SOD was great, but I guess he elevated beyond popular attention by that point. I think that Prince's advice has helped sustain him in his quest to keep doing what he will do.

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

oh that's fucked up, don't talk about my boy, ttd wasn't even something people talked about, no one cept his few fans so I know your'e fucking with us.

Huh? Its funny how he didnt know what TTD was in the thread header is fucking with yall? I did not create the thread (which I do think was bogus, BUT...after reading through it, it does seem that TTD's INITIAL success did make P, MJ, and others take notice. Especially since Prince's sales were not what they once were and T was getting mad airplay with Sign Your Name, Wishing Well).

rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

oh that's fucked up, don't talk about my boy, ttd wasn't even something people talked about, no one cept his few fans so I know your'e fucking with us.

Huh? Its funny how he didnt know what TTD was in the thread header is fucking with yall? I did not create the thread (which I do think was bogus, BUT...after reading through it, it does seem that TTD's INITIAL success did make P, MJ, and others take notice. Especially since Prince's sales were not what they once were and T was getting mad airplay with Sign Your Name, Wishing Well).

that wasn't directed at you, i don't think anyone but the fans know what ttd means, at any rate, at any rate, I wonder what the results would have been had TTd been on the scene in 82 instead of 88. His timing was off, that's all. Would the beates make a splash today? would Elvis? so i wonder.

PeteSilas said:

onlyforaminute said:

What funny this thread is only about trying to annoy people, which in a way it is but not in the way it is intended to because those who weren't already a fan don't really care.

everything is subjective, everything, like i said but i don't see how anyone could listen to ttd and not have their minds blown by something.

Eh eventually something else will come along and I'll forget about this thread, until then...

TTD was/is one of my all time favorites. His music was good up into the 90's. The last 20 years, not so much. At times, he seems to try to be quirky just for the sake of it.

I didn't even know he played instruments until recently. He looks uncomfortable/unnatural with a guitar in hand.

I was in the army when he first came onto the scene in the late 1980's and remember troops not liking him becuase he had been in the army and went AWOL. I also heard that he fled the US because of this and rooted himself in the UK. If this is true, it may be why TTD didn't have the commercial backing of the US record industry and why he didn't tour in the US.

As far as his albums go, though, his late 80's and early 90's records were just as entertaining to llisten to as Prince's. And, TTD had unique vocals that were at least a match for Prince's own.

I don't think Prince had anything to fear from TTD. However, Prince had peaked already and TTD was the new comer , whom people were comparing to him. So, maybe he at least saw him as a potential threat/competitor. TTD's star never sored anywhere near as high as Prince's though.

Todd968 said:

TTD was/is one of my all time favorites. His music was good up into the 90's. The last 20 years, not so much. At times, he seems to try to be quirky just for the sake of it.

I didn't even know he played instruments until recently. He looks uncomfortable/unnatural with a guitar in hand.

I was in the army when he first came onto the scene in the late 1980's and remember troops not liking him becuase he had been in the army and went AWOL. I also heard that he fled the US because of this and rooted himself in the UK. If this is true, it may be why TTD didn't have the commercial backing of the US record industry and why he didn't tour in the US.

As far as his albums go, though, his late 80's and early 90's records were just as entertaining to llisten to as Prince's. And, TTD had unique vocals that were at least a match for Prince's own.

I don't think Prince had anything to fear from TTD. However, Prince had peaked already and TTD was the new comer , whom people were comparing to him. So, maybe he at least saw him as a potential threat/competitor. TTD's star never sored anywhere near as high as Prince's though.

Agreed with everything you said here except that his vocals were a match for Prince's. "You know you done fucked up"-Dead Presidents

why would anyone be mad that he went awol, there was no war going on. do they brainwash you guys in there? Dumb question, I know they do. But outside of that, i doubt the entertainment business gave a fuck that he went awol. Now, if there was a war and he deserted that my be different. Ali fought induction and a good 25 percent of the us hate him for it. You're right about the guitar, it looks wierd, whether it's because we're not used to seeing him with one or he is just unnatural with one I don't know. in fact, i watched supermodel sandwich on youtube, he played the intro, i was shocked that he played as well as he did. His voice wasn't in top form and his backup didn't have the arrangement the album did. He really needs better musicians, could be his location, if he wer ein seattle, he'd have his pick of anything.

Todd968 said:

TTD was/is one of my all time favorites. His music was good up into the 90's. The last 20 years, not so much. At times, he seems to try to be quirky just for the sake of it.

I didn't even know he played instruments until recently. He looks uncomfortable/unnatural with a guitar in hand.

I was in the army when he first came onto the scene in the late 1980's and remember troops not liking him becuase he had been in the army and went AWOL. I also heard that he fled the US because of this and rooted himself in the UK. If this is true, it may be why TTD didn't have the commercial backing of the US record industry and why he didn't tour in the US.

As far as his albums go, though, his late 80's and early 90's records were just as entertaining to llisten to as Prince's. And, TTD had unique vocals that were at least a match for Prince's own.

I don't think Prince had anything to fear from TTD. However, Prince had peaked already and TTD was the new comer , whom people were comparing to him. So, maybe he at least saw him as a potential threat/competitor. TTD's star never sored anywhere near as high as Prince's though.

he was the best of the prince wanna-bes

wow...ali fought induction but wasnt a deserter..wartime or peacetime, doesnt matter...of course the entertainment industry doesnt care lol...

PeteSilas said:

why would anyone be mad that he went awol, there was no war going on. do they brainwash you guys in there? Dumb question, I know they do. But outside of that, i doubt the entertainment business gave a fuck that he went awol. Now, if there was a war and he deserted that my be different. Ali fought induction and

rdhull said:

wow...ali fought induction but wasnt a deserter..wartime or peacetime, doesnt matter...of course the entertainment industry doesnt care lol...

PeteSilas said:

why would anyone be mad that he went awol, there was no war going on. do they brainwash you guys in there? Dumb question, I know they do. But outside of that, i doubt the entertainment business gave a fuck that he went awol. Now, if there was a war and he deserted that my be different. Ali fought induction and

ali's still hated by about a quarter of the population, surprising but true. some still call him a draft dodger and a coward.

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

wow...ali fought induction but wasnt a deserter..wartime or peacetime, doesnt matter...of course the entertainment industry doesnt care lol...

ali's still hated by about a quarter of the population, surprising but true. some still call him a draft dodger and a coward.

Regardless, but thats the posters right to be upset that TTD awol-ed. That brainwash comment was uncalled for.

TBH I had forgotten that part of his hx/promo information. I winced at that shit. Havin said that I still bought his shit etc etc but the awol shit is cringe-worthy.

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rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

ali's still hated by about a quarter of the population, surprising but true. some still call him a draft dodger and a coward.

Regardless, but thats the posters right to be upset that TTD awol-ed. That brainwash comment was uncalled for.

TBH I had forgotten that part of his hx/promo information. I winced at that shit. Havin said that I still bought his shit etc etc but the awol shit is cringe-worthy.

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i didn't read the guy say he was upset, i read he said some of his other fellow troops were, and sorry, that's what the military does, it brainwashes people. People are foolish to join for many of these little jaunts but when you're young, poor, stupid, what options do you have?

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

Regardless, but thats the posters right to be upset that TTD awol-ed. That brainwash comment was uncalled for.

TBH I had forgotten that part of his hx/promo information. I winced at that shit. Havin said that I still bought his shit etc etc but the awol shit is cringe-worthy.

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i didn't read the guy say he was upset, i read he said some of his other fellow troops were, and sorry, that's what the military does, it brainwashes people. People are foolish to join for many of these little jaunts but when you're young, poor, stupid, what options do you have?

Regardless..you felt those upset were brainwshed. You dont exactly have to be military to be upset someone awols and if you were military it doesnt mean you were brinwashed for being mad a dude awol-ed. AWOLing, thats akin to cowardice depending...

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rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

i didn't read the guy say he was upset, i read he said some of his other fellow troops were, and sorry, that's what the military does, it brainwashes people. People are foolish to join for many of these little jaunts but when you're young, poor, stupid, what options do you have?

Regardless..you felt those upset were brainwshed. You dont exactly have to be military to be upset someone awols and if you were militry it doesnt mean one was brinwashed for a dude awoling. AWOLing , thats akin to cowardice depending...

in case you haven't noticed, i could care less he went awol, good for him, if you don't like that he did, ok for you. it only made him more rock and roll in my mind and added to the myth. it was peacetime, it wasn't like he was running form a battle. Why he left? probably just immature, that's awful young in fact, i was on the delayed entry program myself, i never got there, i dropped out of HS and that was that. I'd be a hypocrite to criticize him. Why did I join? You'd never believe, i was afraid to say no to an adult. so, i WAS brainwashed too.

^^^Brainwashing can happen to anyone--we're all susceptible to that sort of thing if you're not too careful about the messages that one receives. Signs were that Prince became a bit brainwashed with his late religious learnings. A society's teachings can brainwash you mighty terrible if you don't look into some real history to counter any bogus claims. So many are brainwashed and barely realize it as they've embraced conceptualizations as "truth."

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TTD has done a fair bit of mental exercise and anti-programming thought to throw off some of the brainwashing that we've been exposed to, and I think after his Sananda Maitreya re-christening he has made it his point to speak to this in some of his musical projects--definitely in his writings, scattered among his humorous pratterings--to people's fight against the suppression of a reality that all kinds of brainwashing can suffuse into people's minds. People can be puzzled by some of those songs and berate them, but folks with their minds enveloped in counter-imaginings can't really hear the messages delivered in the music.

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I guess when SM expressed his regrets toward turning away Prince's late-life audience, he felt that he was doing himself a favor by sparing himself another brainwashing lecture! Unfortunately he lost a final opportunity to meet with the man who could offer him some "Purple Rain" wisdom. I really enjoyed Sananda's trio work with "The Nudge, Nudge"--that bassist and drummer were 2 really cool guys who complimented him well on the stage. However, Prince might have been able to hook him up with a few other great musicians who could have raised his stage act a few notches and and maybe offer new creative possibilities with such interaction--more playing and less philosophizing. Prince wouldn't have been afraid of Sananda's current band!

I don't care if there was a rivalry or not. (I don't think there was). Prince is...well Prince. However, I have always liked TTD/Sananda....He is up there with some of my favsis since his first albums to current.

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