dplatt said:

Agree

PeteSilas said:

That song had to made P look up!!!! It is great!!!!!

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

I'm doing Uber Eats delivery, today I listened to vibrator a couple consecutive times while i was driving, goddamn it's great, i never listened to it that closely but I always liked certain songs like supermodel sandwich. but the line "we were driving on a roadkill highway" fuck man, what an image, id ont' care how pretentious he can be, he's still a damned fine writer.

That song had to made P look up!!!! It is great!!!!!

the whole album, although I liked parts of it, i never really listened to it that much, but the more i listen the more i think that poster who said they liked it better than SOD might have been right.

Germanegro said:

He can still reel off a fine poetic line when he's ready, but these days he seems to focus on more storytelling in parables, fables, or just framing some fictional tale and employing a lot more wordplay like what he does in his writings--he especially gets into that in parts of Prometheus and Pandora.

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It'll be cool if one day I can read comments about "how clever and sensitive Return to Zooathalon is," or "how epic a tale the expanse of The Rise of the Zugebrian Time Lords is," or even "what a jam the music is on Nigor Mortis." I can feel pretty alone on this forum in my admiration of his post-Wildcard works. So be it, for now. People seem to hedge their thoughts on these albums and reserve praise for the older, safer-to-praise output, LOL.

PeteSilas said:

I'm doing Uber Eats delivery, today I listened to vibrator a couple consecutive times while i was driving, goddamn it's great, i never listened to it that closely but I always liked certain songs like supermodel sandwich. but the line "we were driving on a roadkill highway" fuck man, what an image, id ont' care how pretentious he can be, he's still a damned fine writer.

i didn't say i had no interest in the later stuff, it just isn't easy to get and some of the tunes I heard weren't that good so I was in no hurry but I have been putting it off for a long time, i'll get it all soon and listen.

Prince afraid?

But he probably had an eye on him due to all the comparisons being made at the time.

I get the feeling MJ had both eyes fixed.

To me this is the greatest send up of the Godfather of Soul's funk legacy throughout the entire 90s, Dig it!

[Edited 9/25/18 23:09pm]

just another embarrassing moment in that movie. Jesus Prince. Back on topic, I don't know if he was "scared" of hip hop but if there was something that would legitimately worry him, that would be it. Susan rogers didn't say he was scared but that he seemed to not understand it and that to her was a sign that he was losing touch with the pop audience.

TheGloved1 said:

Prince afraid?

Bur he probably had an eye on him due to all the comparisons being made at the time.

I get the feeling MJ had both eyes fixed.

To me this is the greatest send up of the Godfather of Soul's funk legacy throughout the entire 90s, Dig it!

As far as Prince and Hip-Hop, he knowingly or not had dabbled in a lot of the production techniques that would characterize Hip-Hip in the immediate future. But that current trend, the post bebop Run-DMC stuff eluded Prince no doubt. TTD too I'd say.

By the time you get to Wildcard! he's got some Dallas Austin joints that are obviously hip-hop influced in their beats, but he was barking up the neo-spul tree more so.

Matter of fact, MJ's Dangerous was the only album of that period among these 3 amigos that got the hip-hop influence right; albeit through the swing of Teddy Riley's new jack.

But anyway, Prince wasn't concerned because he knew Terence couldn't out play him on any instrument. And Michael could out dance him (even if the Bob Fosse shtick was running out of gas)

But TTD had the potential to pull the rug out from beneath the both of them.

[Edited 9/17/18 15:52pm]

[Edited 9/17/18 16:01pm]

PeteSilas said:

There is a Doug e Fresh interview where he talks about Prince trusting
Him enough to ask him to help him(prince) understand rap and hip hop. Doug E said
He didn’t get it and wanted to understand what it was all about. It is on YT.

TheGloved1 said:

As far as Prince and Hip-Hop, he knowingly or not had dabbled in a lot of the production techniques that would characterize Hip-Hip in the immediate future. But that current trend, the post bebop Run-DMC stuff eluded Prince no doubt. TTD too I'd say.

By the time you get to Wildcard! he's got some Dallas Austin joints that are obviously hip-hop influced in their beats, but he was barking up the neo-spul tree more so.

Matter of fact, MJ's Dangerous was the only album of that period among these 3 amigos that got the hip-hop influence right; albeit through the swing of Teddy Riley's new jack.

But anyway, Prince wasn't concerned because he knew Terence couldn't out play him on any instrument. And Michael could out dance him (even if the Bob Fosse shtick was running out of gas)

But TTD had the potential to pull the rug out from beneath the both of them.

[Edited 9/17/18 15:52pm]

[Edited 9/17/18 16:01pm]

As a dancer he was no slouch, i think, like Prince, his body shape didn't lend itself to dance. That lanky body looked awkward just like Prince's short limbs didn't look as good as a taller guy would. Aside from offkey singing, he could easily outsing both without breaking a sweat. His lyrics were better than both, the music he was putting together was about as good or better in a lot of cases. He looked as good or better he was a formidable artist who should have been a main rival. All three and rock and roll artists of that era all had to worry about hip hop and grunge/industrial, everything was changing. It comes off as fake if a later artist attempts to do what a later generation does and usually doesn't go too well. Elvis never tried to do the psychedelic stuff and if he did he'd have looked ridiculous. That's how Prince's hip hop came across to some of the same guys who dug both he and hip hop, they didn't accept him doing it even theough there wasn't much to it really. MJ happened to be more clever hip hop although, according to quincy, he didn't get rap either and claimed q was "losing it" because he was trying to get MJ to have Run DMC on Bad.

PeteSilas said:

I didn’t care for P going even a teeny bit gangster. It was awkward. An awkward
Show. Imo

And thats the thing, we are not talking about 1 or 2 epic songs out of Terence/Sananda - we are talking about dozens, very few of those songs don't send shivers down my spine. Let her down easy - good god the emotion in that thing makes me cry.

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This is an artist for moods - I think I need to join the world of music streaming. I can't sing for shit, but I just love attempting the big notes of him - "If yoouuuu allllll geeettt to hhheeeeeeaaavvvviinnn!!" MY partner definitely suffers, when Prince Sananda with a croaky voice is all around him!

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

As a dancer he was no slouch, i think, like Prince, his body shape didn't lend itself to dance. That lanky body looked awkward just like Prince's short limbs didn't look as good as a taller guy would. Aside from offkey singing, he could easily outsing both without breaking a sweat. His lyrics were better than both, the music he was putting together was about as good or better in a lot of cases. He looked as good or better he was a formidable artist who should have been a main rival. All three and rock and roll artists of that era all had to worry about hip hop and grunge/industrial, everything was changing. It comes off as fake if a later artist attempts to do what a later generation does and usually doesn't go too well. Elvis never tried to do the psychedelic stuff and if he did he'd have looked ridiculous. That's how Prince's hip hop came across to some of the same guys who dug both he and hip hop, they didn't accept him doing it even theough there wasn't much to it really. MJ happened to be more clever hip hop although, according to quincy, he didn't get rap either and claimed q was "losing it" because he was trying to get MJ to have Run DMC on Bad.

I didn’t care for P going even a teeny bit gangster. It was awkward. An awkward Show. Imo

you're not alone but all the major older artists had to adapt in one way or another, not for me or you but maybe even just for themselves, or maybe radio, Bruce was using a hip hop beat as early as the Streets Of Philadelphia song and changed his producer to a younger, more hip hop influenced one, i don't think it's necessary but in that business? there is always the new shit to worry about for anyone.

bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

I'm doing Uber Eats delivery, today I listened to vibrator a couple consecutive times while i was driving, goddamn it's great, i never listened to it that closely but I always liked certain songs like supermodel sandwich. but the line "we were driving on a roadkill highway" fuck man, what an image, id ont' care how pretentious he can be, he's still a damned fine writer.

It's the bravado in it, the man got balls.
Terence can literally go over the top and somehow still get away with it.
The Michael story though, hope it's not true, not so pretty, to say the least.

"Hope you're having a good time at your expense", come on, the man's funny and talented, he can brag all he will.
Love the dude. Like Otis lives through him, he sincerely goes after him too, and Sam Cooke, and James Brown, he's working at it!
Vibrator is TTDA kind of failed Controversy. But again, he's trying stuff, he's no copycat, especially on that album.
Not everything works, but hey, there's a bunch of Prince albums where not everything works.

I imagine Prince on the axe on Vibrator the album, heck producing it,
kinda Bowie producing Lou Reed, what musical losses in the name of egos.

Anyway, live singing never lies. Yes, it's badly lit, apparently the light designer got a crush on Blonde TTDA, but you don't have to look at the guy if his hallucinated peroxydated looks get in the way. Here's a guy who was making records, and he already received calls from Prince on his fourth album. You gotta excuse him for the excesses.

But Terence detractors uderestimate his soft tones, that's where he's killing both our heroes, for a brief fleeting moment.
This version goes for a bit too long. Only Prince could sustain ten minutes without losing his grip on you.
His fate was to act like a sxities gut in the spirit. Where Good Ol' Lenny played the cliché of it.
But Vibrator is an album that has Van Morrisson, Pet Sounds and stuff in it. A strange fascination for gothic choirs.
It's a brilliant failed experiment, like "Neither". They make for fantastic EPs.





And my, what a killing single this was, I remember peeing so pissed off
at not seeing it climbing the charts. It's all the rock influences Prince doesn't have
(Lou Reed, The Cramps, Bo Diddley, Otis Redding),
even if it's the result of the courage first taken in "Kiss" and "Alphabet St.".



Singles were a thing.
This still sounds like Pre-Beck produced by Brian Wilson and mixed by Geoff Emerich.
The strings are incredible. The sexual menace is palpable. The whole things still sounds phenomenal.
There's even a saxophone nod to "Temptation".
Good to the last drop.

[Edited 9/17/18 7:38am]

I love these 2 songs so much (HOTY and TSOL)

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said: That song had to made P look up!!!! It is great!!!!!

the whole album, although I liked parts of it, i never really listened to it that much, but the more i listen the more i think that poster who said they liked it better than SOD might have been right.

That would be me (among others)

[Edited 9/18/18 2:53am]

^^^I've read on this thread and elsewhere of Vibrator being described as a flawed album, and think to myself--where?

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That album is freaking-on-point to every edge of the universe, in my world!

Prince had to have been happy that that album was made by somebody, because he would not have been able hit so many of those vocals....

Sananda wrote his own song, titled "Dolphin." It's nice. I've wished that he would cover Prince's song "Dolphin" as well, in tribute to master Prince.

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What is this thread?

endiadj said:

What is this thread?

Giving dap to TTD, a phantom partner of the would-be trio of music-world excellence.

Edit: essential language check

[Edited 9/18/18 14:43pm]

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

just another embarrassing moment in that movie. Jesus Prince. Back on topic, I don't know if he was "scared" of hip hop but if there was something that would legitimately worry him, that would be it. Susan rogers didn't say he was scared but that he seemed to not understand it and that to her was a sign that he was losing touch with the pop audience.

There is a Doug e Fresh interview where he talks about Prince trusting Him enough to ask him to help him(prince) understand rap and hip hop. Doug E said He didn’t get it and wanted to understand what it was all about. It is on YT.

is it easy to find?

PeteSilas said:

Yes Pete it is easy to find search Doug e fresh interview with
Steven hill at about 14:50 he starts talking about what I referenced
Above. The beginning of the interview is well worth a listen.
They talk about some fun times.

Eta, Doug e doesn’t say he didn’t get it like I stated I took that to be the case
Because of the questions Doug e said prince was asking. Listen to the interview
And you will see what I mean. Enjoy!
[Edited 9/18/18 19:24pm]

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

is it easy to find?

Yes Pete it is easy to find search Doug e fresh interview with Steven hill at about 14:50 he starts talking about what I referenced Above. The beginning of the interview is well worth a listen. They talk about some fun times. Eta, Doug e doesn’t say he didn’t get it like I stated I took that to be the case Because of the questions Doug e said prince was asking. Listen to the interview And you will see what I mean. Enjoy! [Edited 9/18/18 19:24pm]

ok, i will right now, thanks.

purplefam99 said:

dplatt said:

Man, this song right here is everything to me. Not just my favorite song by TTD, but probably one of my favorites by any artist ever. The lyrics, the way the music builds. It's just a fucking masterpiece. How this wasn't a hit I'll never know.

Agree

And covered by George Michael.

JonnyBoyRebel said:

purplefam99 said:

dplatt said: Agree

And covered by George Michael.

And he praised him every time when doing it live

Serious said:

JonnyBoyRebel said:

And covered by George Michael.

And he praised him every time when doing it live

there was an interview in the early 90's around the time of the release of "listen without prejudice" where GM says laughs at the outcome of Terence's second album and admits that terence had him worried. Later, when he covered the song he would call Sananda one of the most talented men on the planet.

Just watched a video on YT of TTD/SM speaking frankly on MJ
And Prince and why one had to be asexual and the other bisexual
In order to make it. And he says Seal was the the first to be so dark
And and uncompromisingly male. That might not make them /P afraid
But it would certainly have stirred some other emotions.
I appreciate that SM was careful with his words but unafraid to speak
His view. It was an old Arsenio Hall show fyi

endiadj said:

What is this thread?

This thread is me learning that Terrance Trent D'arby still has fans. And somehow, those fans have the audacity to compare him to Prince

I don’t think so. TTD got in his own way, P apparently wanted to work with him, I’m sure he admired his powerful voice. Prince was in his own lane, doubt he feared anyone

Interesting how a thread that's clearly about another artist is dominating the space that's supposed to be about Prince. I guess all one needs to do is they say they shook hands once to make it valid.

purplefam99 said:

dplatt said:

Man, this song right here is everything to me. Not just my favorite song by TTD, but probably one of my favorites by any artist ever. The lyrics, the way the music builds. It's just a fucking masterpiece. How this wasn't a hit I'll never know.

Agree

he acknowledge it ...remember the 10,000 magizine?

Why so salty? It’s a legit question