jjam said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't think Prince was afraid of anyone except maybe the Time. The rumor was that MJ sabotaged TTD with the record business. Prince was TTD's hero and so was MJ so that had to hurt. I did hear they worked together once and they fell out over what chords to use or something and that TTD picked up a guitar and couldn't play on P's level, P stared at him until he put it down. TTD was a fine artist and the best male singer of the time all on his own. He wasn't a great musician but he still came along ways on piano which isn't easy as an adult, believe me, i started playing seriously when i was 22 and everything is a struggle so he gets props from me. Is he as good as P on Piano? hell no, neither am I.

Alas, the only person who sabotaged TTD was himself from what I understand. He had a second album written (very strong material from what I've heard), demo-ed and all ready to be properly recorded, but scrapped it and spent a year in Ireland coming up with Neither Fish Nor Flesh. It has some good tracks, but is somewhat unfocused and it's not surprising that it didn't resonate with the general public.

like i said, we covered a lot of that in the other thread, my opinion was NFNF was way beyond the first album but a lot of it was out there. some of the track would have been fine on the radio, roly poly, the marving gaye-like ballad to know someone softly, plenty of good work but he wanted to be some sort of guru-like figure which just didn't work. It only works in pop music when that kind of leader is unselfconscious about it. Like dylan, who he mentioned in interviews at the time. Dylan wrote songs about things but as a man, he was an asshole and would say "I ain't your brother".

Genesia said:

Just when I think we've achieved peak dumb on the org...

lol ikr...TTD...the one hit wonder (and Im a fan too and like a few other released but still yo). I remember the hype and he was on Dolly Partons short lived variety show and he was wooden as fuck with his try to hard splits lol. The crowd whooped it up each time he did one in the breakdown (If You Let Me Stay) like it was the most amazing thing ever.

rdhull said:

Genesia said:

Just when I think we've achieved peak dumb on the org...

lol ikr...TTD...the one hit wonder (and Im a fan too and like a few other released but still yo). I remember the hype and he was on Dolly Partons short lived variety show and he was wooden as fuck with his try to hard splits lol. The crowd whooped it up each time he did one in the breakdown (If You Let Me Stay) like it was the most amazing thing ever.

where could i see that? why the fuck would they put him on that big titted freaks show? He's not a honky tonk man. my first viewing of him was the 88 grammy's where he probably stole the show from MJ and makes it understandable why Mike was worried, dude one upped everyone with the singing. His dancing was okay too although I though he looked odd with his build doing all that shit.

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PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

lol ikr...TTD...the one hit wonder (and Im a fan too and like a few other released but still yo). I remember the hype and he was on Dolly Partons short lived variety show and he was wooden as fuck with his try to hard splits lol. The crowd whooped it up each time he did one in the breakdown (If You Let Me Stay) like it was the most amazing thing ever.

where could i see that? why the fuck would they put him on that big titted freaks show? He's not a honky tonk man. my first viewing of him was the 87 grammy's where he probably stole the show from MJ and makes it understandable why Mike was worried, dude one upped everyone with the singing. His dancing was okay too although I though he looked odd with his build doing all that shit.

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Im sure its on youtube somewhere. This was back in 87 too. Yeah, his gangly build made him look tres' weird with those splits/moves. Like a praying mantis trying to dance. BTW Dolly is a national treasure. And EVERYBODY had a show once upon a time. He was simply the flavor of the month and Dollys show was a general variety show with a myriad of guests.

rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

where could i see that? why the fuck would they put him on that big titted freaks show? He's not a honky tonk man. my first viewing of him was the 87 grammy's where he probably stole the show from MJ and makes it understandable why Mike was worried, dude one upped everyone with the singing. His dancing was okay too although I though he looked odd with his build doing all that shit.

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Im sure its on youtube somewhere. This was back in 87 too. Yeah, his gangly build made him look tres' weird with those splits/moves. Like a praying mantis trying to dance. BTW Dolly is a national treasure. And EVERYBODY had a show once upon a time. He was simply the flavor of the month and Dollys show was a general variety show with a myriad of guests.

i just looked, didn't find it but did find some stuff i never saw before, which is hard because i've seen most everything. dolly's ok, she's just got freakish tits.

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

Im sure its on youtube somewhere. This was back in 87 too. Yeah, his gangly build made him look tres' weird with those splits/moves. Like a praying mantis trying to dance. BTW Dolly is a national treasure. And EVERYBODY had a show once upon a time. He was simply the flavor of the month and Dollys show was a general variety show with a myriad of guests.

i just looked, didn't find it but did find some stuff i never saw before, which is hard because i've seen most everything. dolly's ok, she's just got freakish tits.

I looked too and no dice. That INXS performance with him was tight af though. Wonder why they never continued with that.

rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

i just looked, didn't find it but did find some stuff i never saw before, which is hard because i've seen most everything. dolly's ok, she's just got freakish tits.

I looked too and no dice. That INXS performance with him was tight af though. Wonder why they never continued with that.

hell ya it was, perfect voice for those songs, as far as why, we've spoken on hear about that years ago, i advanced the usual reasons of money and ego.

feeluupp said:

BTW apart of the definition of mainstream is:

the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

He was far from the DOMINANT trend in anything in 1993. Looks like he had some semi success in london and across europe but you can't call him MAINSTREAM... He was far far from being mainstream in 1993.

There are many definitions for mainstream, I saw a few online and none of them used the word dominant. I think we may differ on what constitutes mainstream.

The acts you refer to were the major successes of the time. But I would say if an act is having a string of hits, appearing on popular TV shows, playing major venues in several big markets, being nominated for popular awards, has music videos playing on major music channels, has a gold certified album in one of the world's major markets and is signed to a major label, that qualifies as mainstream.

leecaldon said:

feeluupp said:

BTW apart of the definition of mainstream is:

the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

He was far from the DOMINANT trend in anything in 1993. Looks like he had some semi success in london and across europe but you can't call him MAINSTREAM... He was far far from being mainstream in 1993.

There are many definitions for mainstream, I saw a few online and none of them used the word dominant. I think we may differ on what constitutes mainstream.

The acts you refer to were the major successes of the time. But I would say if an act is having a string of hits, appearing on popular TV shows, playing major venues in several big markets, being nominated for popular awards, has music videos playing on major music channels, has a gold certified album in one of the world's major markets and is signed to a major label, that qualifies as mainstream.

Guess he was so mainstream after that album in 1993, he stuck around for so long after that...

Come on... We all know TTD story, he was a one hit wonder, lets be real.

feeluupp said:

leecaldon said:

There are many definitions for mainstream, I saw a few online and none of them used the word dominant. I think we may differ on what constitutes mainstream.

The acts you refer to were the major successes of the time. But I would say if an act is having a string of hits, appearing on popular TV shows, playing major venues in several big markets, being nominated for popular awards, has music videos playing on major music channels, has a gold certified album in one of the world's major markets and is signed to a major label, that qualifies as mainstream.

Guess he was so mainstream after that album in 1993, he stuck around for so long after that...

Come on... We all know TTD story, he was a one hit wonder, lets be real.

I don't see the relevance of what he did AFTER 1993 has in this discussion. Sure, he started slipping away in 1995, and we know the story after that.

But there is no definition of one-hit wonder that can be assigned to TTD. His first album had several hits, including two major smashes; his second album, although a flop relative to his first, still sold around 2 million worldwide; and we've already discussed his third.

He's far from a one hit wonder. He was a one album superstar and after that, he started making interesting music. Personally, I liked the stuff post-hardline much better. I never much cared for his off dancing. Too much like prince during dirty mind era.. influenced by Mick Jagger more than anything, with some James Brown thrown in.

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I do find it odd that his singing is always mentioned as being exceptional. He's a good musician, but his voice is very often flat/off key. He does have a '60's soul vibe though.

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I'm still stumped by where he went with his mind. I hope he's happy doing what he's doing, but you can hear the huge production and arrangement quality differences between his older and newer stuff. Especially when he releases old (20th century recordings) but unreleased songs on new releases. He just let the quality control fly out the door.

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Can't imagine Prince ever being scared of him. It always came across as that Prince, TTD and Lenny Kravitz had a bit of a bond as being high profile black men in the music business that wanted to make/made music outside the bounds of "black" music.

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Prince fought any and everyone and kept trying to be a superstar and small indie at the same time, often pleasing noone completely. TTD simply went crazy and retreated in his own cult/spirituality where he does the equivalent of being a preacher playing acoustic guitar around a campfire. Lenny Kravitz simply played being a white rocker and took the playbook the record companies have for that, making him "easy" to market, even if his music suffered.

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To me, of the three, Prince walked the most interesting and rewarding (as a listener) path.

mediumdry said:

He's far from a one hit wonder. He was a one album superstar and after that, he started making interesting music. Personally, I liked the stuff post-hardline much better. I never much cared for his off dancing. Too much like prince during dirty mind era.. influenced by Mick Jagger more than anything, with some James Brown thrown in.

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I do find it odd that his singing is always mentioned as being exceptional. He's a good musician, but his voice is very often flat/off key. He does have a '60's soul vibe though.

.

I'm still stumped by where he went with his mind. I hope he's happy doing what he's doing, but you can hear the huge production and arrangement quality differences between his older and newer stuff. Especially when he releases old (20th century recordings) but unreleased songs on new releases. He just let the quality control fly out the door.

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Can't imagine Prince ever being scared of him. It always came across as that Prince, TTD and Lenny Kravitz had a bit of a bond as being high profile black men in the music business that wanted to make/made music outside the bounds of "black" music.

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Prince fought any and everyone and kept trying to be a superstar and small indie at the same time, often pleasing noone completely. TTD simply went crazy and retreated in his own cult/spirituality where he does the equivalent of being a preacher playing acoustic guitar around a campfire. Lenny Kravitz simply played being a white rocker and took the playbook the record companies have for that, making him "easy" to market, even if his music suffered.

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To me, of the three, Prince walked the most interesting and rewarding (as a listener) path.

It's fairly rare that he's off, but when he's on, his voice is one of the joys of sound.

Genesia said:

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

I looked too and no dice. That INXS performance with him was tight af though. Wonder why they never continued with that.

hell ya it was, perfect voice for those songs, as far as why, we've spoken on hear about that years ago, i advanced the usual reasons of money and ego.

TTD just didn't want to go there as a mainstay. Apparently, Michael Hutchence was a friend and that show's performance was a one-off simply as a tribute to him.

leecaldon said:

mediumdry said:

He's far from a one hit wonder. He was a one album superstar and after that, he started making interesting music. Personally, I liked the stuff post-hardline much better. I never much cared for his off dancing. Too much like prince during dirty mind era.. influenced by Mick Jagger more than anything, with some James Brown thrown in.

.

I do find it odd that his singing is always mentioned as being exceptional. He's a good musician, but his voice is very often flat/off key. He does have a '60's soul vibe though.

.

I'm still stumped by where he went with his mind. I hope he's happy doing what he's doing, but you can hear the huge production and arrangement quality differences between his older and newer stuff. Especially when he releases old (20th century recordings) but unreleased songs on new releases. He just let the quality control fly out the door.

.

Can't imagine Prince ever being scared of him. It always came across as that Prince, TTD and Lenny Kravitz had a bit of a bond as being high profile black men in the music business that wanted to make/made music outside the bounds of "black" music.

.

Prince fought any and everyone and kept trying to be a superstar and small indie at the same time, often pleasing noone completely. TTD simply went crazy and retreated in his own cult/spirituality where he does the equivalent of being a preacher playing acoustic guitar around a campfire. Lenny Kravitz simply played being a white rocker and took the playbook the record companies have for that, making him "easy" to market, even if his music suffered.

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To me, of the three, Prince walked the most interesting and rewarding (as a listener) path.

It's fairly rare that he's off, but when he's on, his voice is one of the joys of sound.

Yeah, sometimes today he can be really off while live, but the other times off-key, is what you call the application of "the funk."

he's off key a lot even on record which is rare, he's so good that it don't even matter to me. His range is amazing, the way he's been ignored is kind of a shame, on that semi recent list that had the greatest singers by range, ttd was nowhere on it, neither was jackie wilson, lists don't mean anything but.., people should have thought of him.

So here's my ramble:

It's also sad to say, and a considerable notion, that were it not for Prince's formation of that 80s band, The Revolution, his "Purple Rain" movie and his purple popularity might not have been attained either, despite what a talented a musician he was.

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Dude was cultish from his small-market origins, but his powerhouse drive made him great. We can only wonder where Prince's career would have travelled without the Purple-Rain experience. A big moment might have happened for him later, without, I guess, because Prince wasn't ever going to stop doing what he was about.

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TTD wanted to have a Purple Rain moment, too, he's said. Despite his own big supple voice and songwriting ability, he admired Prince's depths of talent, prescience, and ability to galvinize an audience, I imagine, and I read that Prince advised TTD on style pointers along the way to help him regain some image after his early commerial crash-and-burn. TTD probably didn't live quite as hard-knock as Prince had in adolescence, although in grade school before his boxing days he had gotten into a fight with a girl and lost; TTD actually attended a partial post-high-school formal education, so there were other things going on for him back in the day to bear influences beyond focused musical development to carve him as a less competitive and fearsome musician. Sananda's revolution has been slow and chanelled, LOL. So, no, there'd be nothing for Prince to be afraid of TTD. I think that Prince really liked Sananda. Moreso, like Sananda has said in the past, would be the powerful reaction caused by a handful of great "off-center" (read: "people of color") independent-minded talents assembling unchained to build through providence a cultural movement to swell beyond media containment--like Hip-Hop without the commercialization, for example. I'd guess that would be a more fearsome force than some one-on-one competition.

databank said:

If he saw him as [a]...rival (and I maintain that the Prince/MJ rivalry was for the most part a media fabricated myth), he probably didn't for long: TTD's major superstar lasted for about 2 years, then by 1989 he was already on his way down.

Databank--record sales going down? Man, it's about the funk! The next time somebody uses sales measurements as a meter for cultural bearing, I'm gonna deal another wet-noodle lashing! I am so happy that the record-business game is changing for the artful-minded.

Every year, we get this same shit - people need to stop comparing the too. Both were great but different people. I never thought TTD had it out for no one. He knew his first album was great (One of the finest albums ever made, just the opening notes of the first cut let you know you are in for greatness). It was hit and miss after that, but then he came out with blinders like Holding on to you.

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Of course as one guy said - he disappeared up his own ass, but who cares, he is still a genius. I call it lazy journalism - back in late 80s, all these journalists (Mostly white) saw these brothas doing all this funk, soul and pop music and start lumping them together.

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It dosen't matter what he says or does from now on or in the past. Anyone who makes a song like "Holding on to you" gets a free pass for life.

I dont wanna bring your gods down

Purplegarden said:

Every year, we get this same shit - people need to stop comparing the too. Both were great but different people. I never thought TTD had it out for no one. He knew his first album was great (One of the finest albums ever made, just the opening notes of the first cut let you know you are in for greatness). It was hit and miss after that, but then he came out with blinders like Holding on to you.

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Of course as one guy said - he disappeared up his own ass, but who cares, he is still a genius. I call it lazy journalism - back in late 80s, all these journalists (Mostly white) saw these brothas doing all this funk, soul and pop music and start lumping them together.

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It dosen't matter what he says or does from now on or in the past. Anyone who makes a song like "Holding on to you" gets a free pass for life.

good to hear there are true fans out there. i"m a lifetimer for ttd (or sananda as he insists on being called. I call his first album the greatest debut album ever, from the effects of that first song where he sings like he's being birthed from a tunnel and then plops in full sonic 3d to that brilliant cover of who's loving you it's still one of my faves. I still think he grew by leaps and bounds between the next two album.

and the comparison betweeen him and prince are lazyI still remember at the grammys he was singing accapella and some asshole screamed "sing it prince!!!" never mind that vocally, they had nothing in common.

one more thing that might sound crazz it looks like he will outlive both by a good margin and that has to count for something.

dodger said:

Genesia said:

Just when I think we've achieved peak dumb on the org...

You must have missed the ‘what’s in his hand on this photo’ thread the other day

PeteSilas said:

Purplegarden said:

Every year, we get this same shit - people need to stop comparing the too. Both were great but different people. I never thought TTD had it out for no one. He knew his first album was great (One of the finest albums ever made, just the opening notes of the first cut let you know you are in for greatness). It was hit and miss after that, but then he came out with blinders like Holding on to you.

.

Of course as one guy said - he disappeared up his own ass, but who cares, he is still a genius. I call it lazy journalism - back in late 80s, all these journalists (Mostly white) saw these brothas doing all this funk, soul and pop music and start lumping them together.

.

It dosen't matter what he says or does from now on or in the past. Anyone who makes a song like "Holding on to you" gets a free pass for life.

good to hear there are true fans out there. i"m a lifetimer for ttd (or sananda as he insists on being called. I call his first album the greatest debut album ever, from the effects of that first song where he sings like he's being birthed from a tunnel and then plops in full sonic 3d to that brilliant cover of who's loving you it's still one of my faves. I still think he grew by leaps and bounds between the next two album.

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

jjam said:

PeteSilas said:

good to hear there are true fans out there. i"m a lifetimer for ttd (or sananda as he insists on being called. I call his first album the greatest debut album ever, from the effects of that first song where he sings like he's being birthed from a tunnel and then plops in full sonic 3d to that brilliant cover of who's loving you it's still one of my faves. I still think he grew by leaps and bounds between the next two album.

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

Wildcard starts off promising, but declines a bit - still Oh Davina and Designated Fool atre two bloody tight songs.

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I can't agree about his voice, doing my 4 mile walk today with music and on comes Holding on to you, holy fuck the lyrics in that song "Emotional mist she breathes in for, out comes garden flowers, she chose me out of the tough talking fellows, she heard my heart beat through the noise (I probably fucked that up - but goddamn that is deep!), Fat painted lips on a live wire canvas, Goodbye Picasso, Hello Dolly - all the best poets have thought provoking dreams, holding on to you, is letting go for me,"

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If he was having off days with his voice, he was obviously not doing that in the studio, because not only can he write great songs, listen to how his voice grabs the notes and the lyrics. This is raw power. In one regard, he is by far the best singer out of Prince, Michael and Himself. Sorry it has to be said.

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Every year I find more reasons to just love the guy. Who knows, Pete Silas and Germannegro amongst others we should start a TTD/Sananda org - Introducing the Hardline Forum.

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Purplegarden said:

jjam said:

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

Wildcard starts off promising, but declines a bit - still Oh Davina and Designated Fool atre two bloody tight songs.

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I can't agree about his voice, doing my 4 mile walk today with music and on comes Holding on to you, holy fuck the lyrics in that song "Emotional mist she breathes in for, out comes garden flowers, she chose me out of the tough talking fellows, she heard my heart beat through the noise (I probably fucked that up - but goddamn that is deep!), Fat painted lips on a live wire canvas, Goodbye Picasso, Hello Dolly - all the best poets have thought provoking dreams, holding on to you, is letting go for me,"

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If he was having off days with his voice, he was obviously not doing that in the studio, because not only can he write great songs, listen to how his voice grabs the notes and the lyrics. This is raw power. In one regard, he is by far the best singer out of Prince, Michael and Himself. Sorry it has to be said.

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Every year I find more reasons to just love the guy. Who knows, Pete Silas and Germannegro amongst others we should start a TTD/Sananda org - Introducing the Hardline Forum.

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"Holding On To You" is my favourite song ever by any artist - the words, the emotion in his voice, the music - such a beautiful song!

And I agree that he is by far a better singer than MJ or Prince. I saw him live quite often and his voice is amazing both on record and live on stage. And I remember I read somewhere that when he recorded his vocals for one of his albums (mybe the 2nd or 3rd - can't remember) that the producer couldn't believe it because with other artists he tried to get a perfect take and with TTD every one was so good he could hardly choose which one to take.

jjam said:

PeteSilas said:

good to hear there are true fans out there. i"m a lifetimer for ttd (or sananda as he insists on being called. I call his first album the greatest debut album ever, from the effects of that first song where he sings like he's being birthed from a tunnel and then plops in full sonic 3d to that brilliant cover of who's loving you it's still one of my faves. I still think he grew by leaps and bounds between the next two album.

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

When you go to youtube and his version of "Who's loving you" people praise it as the best version ever done - so I guess you are quite alone with not liking it....

jjam said:

PeteSilas said:

good to hear there are true fans out there. i"m a lifetimer for ttd (or sananda as he insists on being called. I call his first album the greatest debut album ever, from the effects of that first song where he sings like he's being birthed from a tunnel and then plops in full sonic 3d to that brilliant cover of who's loving you it's still one of my faves. I still think he grew by leaps and bounds between the next two album.

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

he had plenty of off key moments that stick out way more than that. doesn't matter a bit to me, he more than makes up for it with his astounding voice, the only male singer who can do vocal runs like whitney houston or some of the great female soul singers. why he sings off key so much? I have no idea, it doesn't seem to stop him from having produced fine music.

hell ya, i should catch up on his stuff though, for whatever reason, i keep telling myself to get the later stuff, some of it that i've heard is just fine, others sound like unfinished songs. I still hold out hope that he tours the us. in fact, i asked him last night on facebook for just that.

Purplegarden said:

jjam said:

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

Wildcard starts off promising, but declines a bit - still Oh Davina and Designated Fool atre two bloody tight songs.

.

I can't agree about his voice, doing my 4 mile walk today with music and on comes Holding on to you, holy fuck the lyrics in that song "Emotional mist she breathes in for, out comes garden flowers, she chose me out of the tough talking fellows, she heard my heart beat through the noise (I probably fucked that up - but goddamn that is deep!), Fat painted lips on a live wire canvas, Goodbye Picasso, Hello Dolly - all the best poets have thought provoking dreams, holding on to you, is letting go for me,"

.

If he was having off days with his voice, he was obviously not doing that in the studio, because not only can he write great songs, listen to how his voice grabs the notes and the lyrics. This is raw power. In one regard, he is by far the best singer out of Prince, Michael and Himself. Sorry it has to be said.

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Every year I find more reasons to just love the guy. Who knows, Pete Silas and Germannegro amongst others we should start a TTD/Sananda org - Introducing the Hardline Forum.

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PeteSilas said:

jjam said:

Now that cover of Who's Lobing You has some of the most out of tune singing ever recorded. Don't quite know how the producer Martyn Ware let that pass.

Wildcard's the best and most consistent album he ever did.

he had plenty of off key moments that stick out way more than that. doesn't matter a bit to me, he more than makes up for it with his astounding voice, the only male singer who can do vocal runs like whitney houston or some of the great female soul singers. why he sings off key so much? I have no idea, it doesn't seem to stop him from having produced fine music.

I read somewhere, either in his writings on his website, or an interview that he has a form of tinnitus where there is a constant tone (in C--IIRC) sounding in his ears. If so, I guess he has natural tone guide in his head that I guess could help him center his notes, but I don't know if that would be the case. Maybe the tinnitus causes interference in his perception of sung notes, at times? I don't have tinnitus. I wish I could say that I had more music knowledge. Vocalist experts can chime in, here! I can't remember what he's said about his own off-key singing.

PeteSilas--Soon, in some of your rare down time you should check Youtube. Just today I've found that much more of his music from the latest triple-album Prometheus and Pandora is available to listen there, much more than the songs with videos.

Purplegarden--An .org-type establishment sounds like it could be fun--it would depend on the crowd it would draw! I couldn't get into another love/hate-the-artist deal as you might find in this place. I like Sananda's very own website. There's no forum there, but plenty of info otherwise, the essentials--all the music, merchandise, news, and views straight from the source. The only B.S.ing he's got going on are the creations in his own head--he admits!

PeteSilas said:

hell ya, i should catch up on his stuff though, for whatever reason, i keep telling myself to get the later stuff, some of it that i've heard is just fine, others sound like unfinished songs. I still hold out hope that he tours the us. in fact, i asked him last night on facebook for just that.

Purplegarden said:

Every year I find more reasons to just love the guy. Who knows, Pete Silas and Germannegro amongst others we should start a TTD/Sananda org - Introducing the Hardline Forum.

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