djThunderfunk said:

Well because of finances and location, I saw him 9 times between becoming a fan in 82 and his passing. I didn't say "ONLY" 9 times because for most people, even most fans, 9 times is a lot. And I had to travel for 8 of those, he only played in the town I lived in ONCE, ever.

79 times, 83 times... these are numbers that those that live in the MPLS area and those that have lots and lots of money could hit. Most of us don't live near Minnie and aren't rich. Just sayin'...

A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

SquirrelMeat said:

djThunderfunk said:

Well because of finances and location, I saw him 9 times between becoming a fan in 82 and his passing. I didn't say "ONLY" 9 times because for most people, even most fans, 9 times is a lot. And I had to travel for 8 of those, he only played in the town I lived in ONCE, ever.

79 times, 83 times... these are numbers that those that live in the MPLS area and those that have lots and lots of money could hit. Most of us don't live near Minnie and aren't rich. Just sayin'...

A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.

Credit cards were very helpful to me in my 20s when I travelled from London to Paisley Park, New York etc. And also the amazing kindness of a stranger (now good friend) who put me up in her Chanhassen hotel room (my first post on here was in 2001, and asking if anyone had a spare bed, and she was the one response).

My experience is, however many gigs you go to, it's not enough (probably around 55 for me, including aftershows). Probably still paying for some of those trips more than a decade later

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.

Its important to point out, that number of gigs, or collection of records, doesn't make one fan more of a 'true fan' than another.

I often see fans who claim that they are 'true fans' because of this or that.

There is no such thing as a 'true fan'. Its what it means to us, individually. Some of us were around at the right time or the right place.

That said, If you were around at the right time, but didn't sell your soul to go. Then you are a different level of fan to those that did.

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.

Its important to point out, that number of gigs, or collection of records, doesn't make one fan more of a 'true fan' than another.

I often see fans who claim that they are 'true fans' because of this or that.

There is no such thing as a 'true fan'. Its what it means to us, individually. Some of us were around at the right time or the right place.

That said, If you were around at the right time, but didn't sell your soul to go. Then you are a different level of fan to those that did.

I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.

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To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.

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On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.

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To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.

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So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.

I only saw Prince live once. I guess I should kindly remove myself from the org

djdaffy1227 said:

I only saw Prince live once. I guess I should kindly remove myself from the org

If once = remove oneself from the Org, does no time at all means remove oneself from existence?

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.

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To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.

.

On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.

.

To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.

.

So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.

Moi? I love Exodus! In fact I'd go as far as to say I'm one of the few hardcore who never went off Prince's output. I was definitely a vocal minority supporting most albums over the years. That passion continud with the gigs. I was there, every time, even when the audience thinned. In regards to priorities, I still put his studio output above anything else. From the vault, I want studio material, not live sets.

Good for you! I drifted away by the early 90's, and now regret that, because I am loving SOOOO much of the 90's music - not all, but a lot of it. There are at least a few good tracks on every album.

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On Exodus, I like Count The Days - it has a nice melodic feel but then he also creates this anger vibe with the "but not until I make this motherfucker pay" lyric. It's clearly speaking of his fight with WB, which now has much more meaning for those of us who were scratching our heads at him back then. Also, I enjoy The Good Life because its' got a good groove, and he's referencing his childhood days and using movies to escape rather than drugs.

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Chaos And Disorder - people seem to rag on this one too, but I love Zannalee, Dinner With Delores, and Had U.

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.

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To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.

.

On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.

.

To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.

.

So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.

Moi? I love Exodus! In fact I'd go as far as to say I'm one of the few hardcore who never went off Prince's output. I was definitely a vocal minority supporting most albums over the years. That passion continud with the gigs. I was there, every time, even when the audience thinned. In regards to priorities, I still put his studio output above anything else. From the vault, I want studio material, not live sets.

Apologies. I thought it was you Maybe TheDigitalGardener? I remember it was an old-timer and I was surprised to read such a bold statement. We're on the same tune, then, I also never went off the purple boat For me it's been a non-stop 27 years long ride from 89 to 2016, and I enjoyed every part of the journey

[Edited 9/18/18 20:13pm]

Arjuna said:

I haven't replied in years. To the point: I believe the ONLY moment I knew the "truth" parade was over is when Mr. Nelson left the planet. Nobody, nor one soul had the right to change his music up and plant a seed he didn't sow by his own hand. He NEVER abided by a system of "thieves in a temple tonight"or any other moment. Now,I am not trying to stop what his immediate family does because in God Jehovah's eyes and trust me on this ( he is watching). So, for this temporary so called thing in his words "called life"... they whom they is...better KNOW that God Jehovah's talent of music inscribed by Prince should not be sold in unrightful ways. I can tell you now that I never and will never purchase anything that he ( Mr Nelson) did not offer before he transcended. Its pretty easy for me to keep the "devil" out. Simply put: I slammed the door in respect to Prince. Take care... B Wise as serpent and innocent, as a dove. [Edited 9/24/18 14:15pm]

You're not a native English speaker, are you?

Arjuna said:

I haven't replied in years. To the point: I believe the ONLY moment I knew the "truth" parade was over is when Mr. Nelson left the planet. Nobody, nor one soul had the right to change his music up and plant a seed he didn't sow by his own hand. He NEVER abided by a system of "thieves in a temple tonight"or any other moment. Now,I am not trying to stop what his immediate family does because in God Jehovah's eyes and trust me on this ( he is watching). So, for this temporary so called thing in his words "called life"... they whom they is...better KNOW that God Jehovah's talent of music inscribed by Prince should not be sold in unrightful ways. I can tell you now that I never and will never purchase anything that he ( Mr Nelson) did not offer before he transcended. Its pretty easy for me to keep the "devil" out. Simply put: I slammed the door in respect to Prince. Take care... B Wise as serpent and innocent, as a dove. [Edited 9/24/18 14:15pm]

Are you suggesting that you'll buy no future releases, even official ones? Prince said that the vault would be released by others when he's gone. So by leaving stuff in the vault and not erasing it, he's pretty much said that it's ok to release it.

Money don't matter 2 Night
It sure didn't matter yesterday
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday
And it sure don't matter to night

NorthC said:

Yet they're not above making money off other hardcore Prince fans by selling overpriced CD sets...

They are Prince's estate though, if Prince didn't want them to, he should have written a will. They have a more legitimate claim than a bootleg label because they are the ones in control of the vault. The PR CD set was actually a fairly tame price TBH

[Edited 9/26/18 2:53am]

ForceofNature said:

because they are the ones in control of the vault

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Can we read some documents that explains who was involved in decisions w.r.t. the location of the tapes stored at the park, the release of certain things, etc?