NouveauDance said:

I never expected them to empty the vault within my lifetime. Get real.

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Yes, it's utterly impossible. No other artist has ever done this.

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I mean, no artist has ever released box sets with dozens of records documenting whole tours or entire album sessions, right?

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I mean, I'm clearly making this up:

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https://burningshed.com/s...les_boxset

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The complete 1970-72 King Crimson captured on 21 CDs, 4 blu-ray discs and 2 DVDs (all audio content) and presented in a 12” box with booklet, memorabilia, a further downloadable concert, and sleeve-notes by Sid Smith, Jakko Jakszyk and David Singleton.

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https://burningshed.com/s...dvd-bluray

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The 19 disc limited edition box set On (and off) The Road presents a complete overview of the enduringly popular 1980s incarnation of King Crimson.

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https://burningshed.com/s...Set_boxset

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A 16 disc limited edition box set featuring studio and live recordings - many previously unreleased - from King Crimson's mid-1990s double trio line-up.

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https://burningshed.com/s...ess-boxset

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Starless offers 18 CDs of live concert performances - 7 of them mixed from the 1973 multi-track tapes. A further 11 present the complete run of The Blue Tapes for the first time.

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https://burningshed.com/s...on_box_set

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Over 21 cds, 1 dvd, 2 blu-ray discs, copious sleeve notes and replica memorabilia, The Road To Red comprehensively captures the essence of King Crimson's US tour of 1974 and the process leading to the one of the band's most important albums.

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https://burningshed.com/s...gue_boxset

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This 40th anniversary 15 disc box set is the ultimate edition of the classic album.

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Obviously, this would be impossible for Prince because he was never as popular as... uhm... King Crimson?

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Or how about https://www.rhino.com/pro...e-sessions ?

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What you have known for almost thirty years as a 36-minute long proto-punk masterpiece is now presented in its complete 7-hour and 52-minute recording session entirety — that's more than seven hours of previously unreleased recordings from Iggy and company. Every take from every Fun House session, in order, exactly as The Stooges recorded them -- all the music, mayhem, false starts, inside jokes, and equipment hum. Everything on this 7-CD set has been remastered from scratch from the original multi-tracks.

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Yeah, how dare we expect similar output from Prince or his estate! Clearly it is impossible to release such lavish box sets for an artist who wasn't as popular as... uhm... The Stooges?

BartVanHemelen said:

NouveauDance said:

I never expected them to empty the vault within my lifetime. Get real.

Yes, it's utterly impossible. No other artist has ever done this.

I mean, no artist has ever released box sets with dozens of records documenting whole tours or entire album sessions, right?

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Yeah, how dare we expect similar output from Prince or his estate! Clearly it is impossible to release such lavish box sets for an artist who wasn't as popular as... uhm... The Stooges?

Bart, you're right that it's possible to do so.

But I think that NouveauDance is right that it won't happen, if the estate wants to keep the "Vault-Mystery" alive.

databank said:

"Using the 1983 tape as a starting point, Tyka Nelson says the estate is hoping to unveil a new collection of unreleased music every year", "If it was up to me, we’d see something every year for the next hundred or thousand years"

Source: https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

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IDK how much of this is true, and how definitive it is. Sharon also said here that an online store wasn't out of the question so there's hope, but I'm quite outraged by this statement. I'm 41, my life expectation is about 80 years old (it might have increased dramatically by then, given how fast science moves, but I could also die from a cancer before I'm 50 for all I know). Most of us are over 40, over 50 for the older fans, and most of us won't live much longer than a few more decades. And we're being told that while thousands of songs, rehearsals and live shows are stored in the vault we can't expect more than one record a year before we die? And that kids who weren't even born when Prince was alive are to get the rest of it later, after we who supported Prince all thoughout his career will be long gone?

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While I understand that they need a prestigious, mainstream audience release a year and little more for the general public and music press, I also know that most of us are willing and able to purchase an album's worth of material every month, NPGMC-style. We did it in 2001, and we'd do it again. So why not do that, too?

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I don't wanna sound dramatic: I enjoy and listen to a lot of other music, and I have enough Prince music on my drive, more than most artists' fans could ever dream of. I have things going on in my life, I don't depend on Prince to be happy, so I can live with that. But nevertheless, I've devoted lots of time and money into my passion for Prince's music, and I can't help finding such a statement super frustrating. There's too much music in that vault, it's gotta come out!

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Y'all with me on that?

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[Edited 8/27/18 13:27pm]

Hear hear!!!

BartVanHemelen said:

NouveauDance said:

I never expected them to empty the vault within my lifetime. Get real.

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Yes, it's utterly impossible. No other artist has ever done this.

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I mean, no artist has ever released box sets with dozens of records documenting whole tours or entire album sessions, right?

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I mean, I'm clearly making this up:

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https://burningshed.com/s...les_boxset

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Obviously, this would be impossible for Prince because he was never as popular as... uhm... King Crimson?

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Or how about https://www.rhino.com/pro...e-sessions ?

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What you have known for almost thirty years as a 36-minute long proto-punk masterpiece is now presented in its complete 7-hour and 52-minute recording session entirety — that's more than seven hours of previously unreleased recordings from Iggy and company. Every take from every Fun House session, in order, exactly as The Stooges recorded them -- all the music, mayhem, false starts, inside jokes, and equipment hum. Everything on this 7-CD set has been remastered from scratch from the original multi-tracks.

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Yeah, how dare we expect similar output from Prince or his estate! Clearly it is impossible to release such lavish box sets for an artist who wasn't as popular as... uhm... The Stooges?

I think the Estate's plan is to 'Elvis Presley' him by releasing a little bit for years to come just to keep his name relevant.
Every year they can come up with bullshit hype stories about releases like 'hey look what we found here all the way back in the vault wrapped in purple panties it's 6 songs that were intended for an album between 1999 and Purple Rain that nobody has ever heard' and then release Moonbeam Levels, no Call u, feel u up, irresistible bitch, turn it up and broken as some special release completely remixed by whoever is working the boards there.

JorisE73 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yeah, how dare we expect similar output from Prince or his estate! Clearly it is impossible to release such lavish box sets for an artist who wasn't as popular as... uhm... The Stooges?

I think the Estate's plan is to 'Elvis Presley' him by releasing a little bit for years to come just to keep his name relevant.
Every year they can come up with bullshit hype stories about releases like 'hey look what we found here all the way back in the vault wrapped in purple panties it's 6 songs that were intended for an album between 1999 and Purple Rain that nobody has ever heard' and then release Moonbeam Levels, no Call u, feel u up, irresistible bitch, turn it up and broken as some special release completely remixed by whoever is working the boards there.

'wrapped in purple panties'

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BlueShakooo said:

But I think that NouveauDance is right that it won't happen, if the estate wants to keep the "Vault-Mystery" alive.

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Mysteries don't pay bills.

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If Iron Mountain has indeed digitized everything (a ludicrous claim IMHO), there is a massive bill to pay on top of all the other costs (lawsuits, etc.). And the likes of P&AM1983 aren't going to be generating that kind of income.

BartVanHemelen said:

Blah...

Well I was speaking generally to the topic, not to you personally.

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With the vast amounts in the Vault™, even expecting just the stock of studio material they have to be completely wiped out and made fully available seems an unreasonable request, never mind all the live, rehearsal, video material etc. It doesn't make financial sense to think this could happen, even through some kind of NPGMC subscription service, which I also think would end in a similar fashion as it did when Prince was alive.

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What they say now, and what actually happens could also change. Remasters and such will be separate from this release target of Tyka's I'm sure, so I would hedge my bets on this being the absolute bare minimum that is always surpassed with everything else they have in the pipeline.

JorisE73 said:

I think the Estate's plan is to 'Elvis Presley' him by releasing a little bit for years to come just to keep his name relevant.

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Except that's pointless when you have a shitton of unreleased music.

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Hell, even if they cannot figure out how to deal with all the outtakes, just start releasing frikking concerts. And by concerts I mean entire tours. Coupled with properly remastered albums. Coupled with proper promo in the likes of Mojo and Rolling Stone and Uncut etc.

One collection of unreleased music a year, says Tyka.

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As if she had a say in it and if she understands what we want.

As if we ever could have an expectancy for anything else.

As if we're still in the 1990's.

As if there's only a little music - this means we will not hear anything near the majority of the vault in our lifetimes.

She is stupid to even make this public with her name attached.

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You get the idea.

BartVanHemelen said:

BlueShakooo said:

But I think that NouveauDance is right that it won't happen, if the estate wants to keep the "Vault-Mystery" alive.

Mysteries don't pay bills.

If Iron Mountain has indeed digitized everything (a ludicrous claim IMHO), there is a massive bill to pay on top of all the other costs (lawsuits, etc.). And the likes of P&AM1983 aren't going to be generating that kind of income.

TRUE!

But right now I'm so pessimistic to think that the estate will try their best not to flood the market with new releases, but rather try to create one small release-hype every year.

And instead keep offering us overpriced merchandise-crap, and an exhibition (or a "... plays Prince"-tour) here and there.

I hope I'm wrong!

leecaldon said:

"A collection" could be a 12 CD set.

Yes. It could also be a 35min CD.

leecaldon said:

"A collection" could be a 12 CD set.

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Dream on.

The September 2018 issue of French music monthly Jazz Magazine has an interview with Michael Howe about the upcoming Prince album "Piano & A Microphone 1983", but also about the contents of the vault and the possible ways to exploit them:

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Michael Howe, archiviste du Prince Estate et découvreur de la cassette enregistrée dans le home-studio de Prince évoque de son côté le contenu et les perspectives d’exploitation du légendaire Vault.

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The magazine isin't out yet, AFAIK, but here is the announcement: http://www.muziq.fr/james...-magazine/

udo said:

leecaldon said:

"A collection" could be a 12 CD set.

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Dream on.

Well, it's been done with many other artists, andthe Prince estate has an unprecedented amount of unreleased music. Why wouldn't they?

there must be a reason why a box set isnt being considerd...maybe because too mant people want a piece of him

leecaldon said:

udo said:

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Dream on.

Well, it's been done with many other artists, andthe Prince estate has an unprecedented amount of unreleased music. Why wouldn't they?

it's so strange. Prince complained when he was at WB about their limiting his output. When he broke free, he didn't really release things at a much higher rate while continuing to fill the vault. And now that he's gone, releases are slower than ever despite the massive backlog.

And while there has been progress, to date all of the officially released music still isn't even all available. We didn't even get all of the stuff promised for the deluxe Purple Rain yet.

maybe they think the genral public doesnt know much past the 80's and they wont warm up to his latter stuff and unreleased stuff...until the anthology thing wakes them up

leecaldon said:

udo said:

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Dream on.

Well, it's been done with many other artists, andthe Prince estate has an unprecedented amount of unreleased music. Why wouldn't they?

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12 discs is too expensive. (see older projects for lower numbers of discs with same problem)

it will upset the regular pace of releases, will not monetize close to maximum (as e.g. a 35 minute CD), etc.

Problems that still do count for them recordbizz people.

1. One year at a time sung to the tune of One Kiss At A Time

2. Does Tyka still have purple hair?

purplefam99 said:

Perhaps they are waiting for a film about him to rouse the youngers and peek Interest in his music

yeah thats what they're doing

rdhull said:

2. Does Tyka still have purple hair?

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I guess that question is more important than the shenanigans of them record execs.

udo said:

leecaldon said:

Well, it's been done with many other artists, andthe Prince estate has an unprecedented amount of unreleased music. Why wouldn't they?

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12 discs is too expensive. (see older projects for lower numbers of discs with same problem)

it will upset the regular pace of releases, will not monetize close to maximum (as e.g. a 35 minute CD), etc.

Problems that still do count for them recordbizz people.

Look at all of Bart's examples. Adn there's no need for it to disrupt mainstream releases. A 1 CD version is released for the casual fan, and a multi-disc set for the hardcore. Purple Rain had an expanded edition.

They need to follow Bowies example and release multiple boxed cd packs.

https://officialpaisleypark.com

Who needs Prince-recordings, when you can have purple "Paisley Park"-socks for 12 $?

Or a "Paisley Park"-umbrella for 40 $?

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This makes me want to weep! Over two years since his death and we’ve had practically nothing released. Looks like they don't have a clue what to do with the Vault. Post production/mixing/mastering will need to be done on many recordings and those in the know, i.e. Hayes, Seacer, Rogers, Sheila, Hampton, Buff etc have to be involved and they’re not getting any younger! The tapes aren’t getting any younger either.

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Sounds more like what they’re doing is what Prince fought against, he wanted his music released as quick and as often as he produced it. I was hoping we’d get a release a month... my wallet's ready.

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I guess if she meant by collection, 3 or 5cd box set with video it would be fine one collection a year. I just hope it doesn't become like KISS where they resort to selling merch. To be honest I think the money is not in regular once a year releases. I think they need to sanction concerts like the tribute show with Prince video and play 20 or 30 shows with NPG/Revolution and the Time to make the money if they are not going to start NPGMC again. Look at top grossing artists and concert is 90%+ of income. Bottom line is they are sitting on rehearsal and all the live stuff and the casual fans will only buy a fraction of it, it is a GOLDMINE but realistically only hardcores will be interested in much of it unless it is specific special shows. As for high-end studio, if that what is meant, Tyka may have a point.

today I am already in a bad mood, and..


This thread (the message from Tyka)... it just doen't help...


the mood, it's sad...

the soon to be released recording 1983, I already own Purple Rush boxset II

Maybe that's why my mood is bad.. what a weak weak recording... ok just imho..


Damn.

leecaldon said:

Look at all of Bart's examples. Adn there's no need for it to disrupt mainstream releases. A 1 CD version is released for the casual fan, and a multi-disc set for the hardcore. Purple Rain had an expanded edition.

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Sure, so why is WB releasing a single disc with 35 minutes of audio?

Not even a full CD of audio?

Or a double CD?

They did not announce that 12 disc box set yet.