With all of the new stuff that was just made availabe (which was really great to see), what's still missing. Here's what I can think of (looking on iTunes)

The Black Album, which is really odd

The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (apparenlty there are ownership rights issues with the first song Prince released befause he was upset WB owned his music)

The Beautiful Experience

The War

The 3 New Power Generation albums (although the call the law video is there)

Multiple maxi-singles and b-sides

Music that was only released on video, including the Sacrifice of Victor aftershow, the Undertaker, Rave un2 the year 2000

What else?

alandail said:

With all of the new stuff that was just made availabe (which was really great to see), what's still missing. Here's what I can think of (looking on iTunes)

The Black Album, which is really odd

The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (apparenlty there are ownership rights issues with the first song Prince released befause he was upset WB owned his music)

The Beautiful Experience

The War

The 3 New Power Generation albums (although the call the law video is there)

Multiple maxi-singles and b-sides

Music that was only released on video, including the Sacrifice of Victor aftershow, the Undertaker, Rave un2 the year 2000

What else?

Another note about this: The official Prince estate discography now admits/categorizes New Power Soul as a Prince album. Which, let's be honest. It is much more so than the previous NPG releases.

Kamasutra?

skywalker said:

alandail said:

With all of the new stuff that was just made availabe (which was really great to see), what's still missing. Here's what I can think of (looking on iTunes)

The Black Album, which is really odd

The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (apparenlty there are ownership rights issues with the first song Prince released befause he was upset WB owned his music)

The Beautiful Experience

The War

The 3 New Power Generation albums (although the call the law video is there)

Multiple maxi-singles and b-sides

Music that was only released on video, including the Sacrifice of Victor aftershow, the Undertaker, Rave un2 the year 2000

What else?

Another note about this: The official Prince estate discography now admits/categorizes New Power Soul as a Prince album. Which, let's be honest. It is much more so than the previous NPG releases.

It's BS, revisionist history. It is not "more" a Prince record than the other NPG releases: the leading creative force behind those records was always Prince, and Prince alone. Either you rewrite history and you credit all the side projects to Prince, begining with The Time and Madhouse, or you just respect whatever original credit the records received at the time, while acknowledging that in the end it doesn't matter what the credits were, because we all know it was Prince in the end.

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They also consider Kamasutra and C-Notes as Prince releases when they are respectively NPG Orchestra and The New Power Generation (there is more ambiguity regarding C-Note, as the individual tracks were credited to Prince and the NPG, then the 2004 release didn't have any official credit IIRC, but the album cover makes it clear it's a NPG release).

.

This shows how little whomever did this website knows (that, + stealing text straight off Princevault without crediting them, and omitting certain side projects such as Carmen Electra, Times Squared and Child Of The Sun while including others with lesser Prince involvement such as Ingrid Chavez, Pandemonium or The Voice...).

.

An official discography website is a good idea, as it can be a lighter, fancier looking and less technically detailed version of Princevault intended for marketing purposes, but they need some consulting by the most dedicated fans on such a project.

databank said:

skywalker said:

Another note about this: The official Prince estate discography now admits/categorizes New Power Soul as a Prince album. Which, let's be honest. It is much more so than the previous NPG releases.

It's BS, revisionist history. It is not "more" a Prince record than the other NPG releases: the leading creative force behind those records was always Prince, and Prince alone. Either you rewrite history and you credit all the side projects to Prince, begining with The Time and Madhouse, or you just respect whatever original credit the records received at the time, while acknowledging that in the end it doesn't matter what the credits were, because we all know it was Prince in the end.

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They also consider Kamasutra and C-Notes as Prince releases when they are respectively NPG Orchestra and The New Power Generation (there is more ambiguity regarding C-Note, as the individual tracks were credited to Prince and the NPG, then the 2004 release didn't have any official credit IIRC, but the album cover makes it clear it's a NPG release).

.

This shows how little whomever did this website knows (that, + stealing text straight off Princevault without crediting them, and omitting certain side projects such as Carmen Electra, Times Squared and Child Of The Sun while including others with lesser Prince involvement such as Ingrid Chavez, Pandemonium or The Voice...).

.

An official discography website is a good idea, as it can be a lighter, fancier looking and less technically detailed version of Princevault intended for marketing purposes, but they need some consulting by the most dedicated fans on such a project.

They should hire you for that.

When did Newpower Soul get recategorized as a Prince album. Was it the estate, or was it included in the list of Prince albums earlier. I remember a list of prince albums, maybe when one of hte Hit N Run albums were released, maybe when Tidal launched, that was pretty extensive.

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alandail said:

databank said:

It's BS, revisionist history. It is not "more" a Prince record than the other NPG releases: the leading creative force behind those records was always Prince, and Prince alone. Either you rewrite history and you credit all the side projects to Prince, begining with The Time and Madhouse, or you just respect whatever original credit the records received at the time, while acknowledging that in the end it doesn't matter what the credits were, because we all know it was Prince in the end.

.

They also consider Kamasutra and C-Notes as Prince releases when they are respectively NPG Orchestra and The New Power Generation (there is more ambiguity regarding C-Note, as the individual tracks were credited to Prince and the NPG, then the 2004 release didn't have any official credit IIRC, but the album cover makes it clear it's a NPG release).

.

This shows how little whomever did this website knows (that, + stealing text straight off Princevault without crediting them, and omitting certain side projects such as Carmen Electra, Times Squared and Child Of The Sun while including others with lesser Prince involvement such as Ingrid Chavez, Pandemonium or The Voice...).

.

An official discography website is a good idea, as it can be a lighter, fancier looking and less technically detailed version of Princevault intended for marketing purposes, but they need some consulting by the most dedicated fans on such a project.

They should hire you for that.

When did Newpower Soul get recategorized as a Prince album. Was it the estate, or was it included in the list of Prince albums earlier. I remember a list of prince albums, maybe when one of hte Hit N Run albums were released, maybe when Tidal launched, that was pretty extensive.

[Edited 8/24/18 6:59am]

Me or the folks at Princevault, yes. Hell, I'd even do it for free! But i'm told they do not plan to collaborate with fans at this stage. Maybe when the family co ntrols the estate again...

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Newpower Soul was never officially categorized as a Prince albums AFAIK, although early promotional material, before release, announced it as a album. But on the Org and other fansites it was usually categorized as such by fans, because many people tend to believe that what makes a "Prince" album is whether or not he sings, and are fooled to believe that the first 2 NPG records were more collaborative efforts than NPS, while in fact Prince was in total control for all three records. Whomever runs the Estate site was fooled in asimilar manner. The question remains open why Prince decided to label NPS as a NPG album instead of , it's never been explained AFAIK, though I suspect it may have to do with Larry choosing to release his own record as GCS instead of a "solo" album. Peace, that was announced to be the fourth (fifth if you count The War) NPG album in 2000 before being shelved and eventually morphed, alongside High, into TCI and TS, was also supposed to feature Prince on lead vocals.

alandail said:

With all of the new stuff that was just made availabe (which was really great to see), what's still missing. Here's what I can think of (looking on iTunes)

The Black Album, which is really odd

The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (apparenlty there are ownership rights issues with the first song Prince released befause he was upset WB owned his music)

The Beautiful Experience

The War

The 3 New Power Generation albums (although the call the law video is there)

Multiple maxi-singles and b-sides

Music that was only released on video, including the Sacrifice of Victor aftershow, the Undertaker, Rave un2 the year 2000

What else?

The absence of the Black Album isn't that odd - when Prince agreed to release it in 1994 it was intended to be available for a limited time only, so it likely wasn't included in the deal Sony made.

TwiliteKid said:

TrevorAyer said:

Well to be fair the first 2 npg albums were far more colaborative efforts than NPS which always felt like a prince solo record .. even moreso than a “prince and the npg” record ... the time was very collaborative with morris even if the rest of the Time was mostly for the live performance ..

They weren't. What people fail to understand is Prince playing an instrument isn't much different from Prince instructing a musician to do this or that, even if in the later case, of course, said musician will bring a bit of themselves in the process. At the end of the day the person giving instructions and making the call as to what makes it to the record is Prince. That's it. Now we can argue was PR more or less collaborative than Parade and was The Time more or less collaborative than the NPG? but when all is said and done the lead creative force was Prince.

databank said:

TrevorAyer said:

Well to be fair the first 2 npg albums were far more colaborative efforts than NPS which always felt like a prince solo record .. even moreso than a “prince and the npg” record ... the time was very collaborative with morris even if the rest of the Time was mostly for the live performance ..

They weren't. What people fail to understand is Prince playing an instrument isn't much different from Prince instructing a musician to do this or that, even if in the later case, of course, said musician will bring a bit of themselves in the process. At the end of the day the person giving instructions and making the call as to what makes it to the record is Prince. That's it. Now we can argue was PR more or less collaborative than Parade and was The Time more or less collaborative than the NPG? but when all is said and done the lead creative force was Prince.

It's unclear, then, what the right thing is. Should the New Power Generation albums remain New Power Generation since that's how they were relased, or should they be called Prince albums. And album's released under the symbol now are called Prince albums. It certainly works better in my music library to call Prince, Symbol, Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, NPG, Prince and the Third Eye Girl, Madhouse, etc., all Prince albums so they all end up in the same place in my iTunes library. I end up leaving something like the Time with their own name (except for their songs on Grafitti Bridge so that whole album is in the Prince library).

Newpower Soul did have this promo poster

alandail said:

databank said:

They weren't. What people fail to understand is Prince playing an instrument isn't much different from Prince instructing a musician to do this or that, even if in the later case, of course, said musician will bring a bit of themselves in the process. At the end of the day the person giving instructions and making the call as to what makes it to the record is Prince. That's it. Now we can argue was PR more or less collaborative than Parade and was The Time more or less collaborative than the NPG? but when all is said and done the lead creative force was Prince.

It's unclear, then, what the right thing is. Should the New Power Generation albums remain New Power Generation since that's how they were relased, or should they be called Prince albums. And album's released under the symbol now are called Prince albums. It certainly works better in my music library to call Prince, Symbol, Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, NPG, Prince and the Third Eye Girl, Madhouse, etc., all Prince albums so they all end up in the same place in my iTunes library. I end up leaving something like the Time with their own name (except for their songs on Grafitti Bridge so that whole album is in the Prince library).

Newpower Soul did have this promo poster

The first two Time albums are no different than the first two New Power Generation albums or the Madhouse albums. Prince plays almost all the instruments on all of them and doesn't sing lead on any of them. Either they are all Prince albums or none of them are Prince albums. The org will forever be having this debate.

sexton said:

^ Guys, it's not about what we consider or think or wish and there is no debate. You can consider Madonna's Like A Prayer to be a George Michael album and file your Björk records as Kate Bush records on our iTunes if you wish to. You can decide that in your own fantasy world Quentin Tarantino was elected POTU in 2016 and that Donald Trump is a Walt Disney cartoon character. Yeah, you'all are free to do all that and more, and if it works for you it's cool. But the minute you step outside of your own personal bubble and wanna interact with the rest of the world, you have to deal with facts.

Facts are that when released NPS was credited to NPG, and facts are that music composed, arranged, recorded and produced by Prince is music composed, arranged, recorded and produced by Prince regardless of who sings or who it is created to.

That's it. Period.

alandail said:

databank said:

They weren't. What people fail to understand is Prince playing an instrument isn't much different from Prince instructing a musician to do this or that, even if in the later case, of course, said musician will bring a bit of themselves in the process. At the end of the day the person giving instructions and making the call as to what makes it to the record is Prince. That's it. Now we can argue was PR more or less collaborative than Parade and was The Time more or less collaborative than the NPG? but when all is said and done the lead creative force was Prince.

It's unclear, then, what the right thing is. Should the New Power Generation albums remain New Power Generation since that's how they were relased, or should they be called Prince albums. And album's released under the symbol now are called Prince albums. It certainly works better in my music library to call Prince, Symbol, Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, NPG, Prince and the Third Eye Girl, Madhouse, etc., all Prince albums so they all end up in the same place in my iTunes library. I end up leaving something like the Time with their own name (except for their songs on Grafitti Bridge so that whole album is in the Prince library).

Newpower Soul did have this promo poster

Yeah I've mentioned this above. I thought it was early promo material because Bart said this once IIRC, but now I wonder: wasn't that displayed in stores? Regardless, we don't even know whether this was made at PP and approved by P or if it was just BMG's local marketing department fooling around. Obviously if you were working at BMG you'd think the symbol or "Prince" would be easier to sell than NPG, and your job is to make a poster.

databank said:

alandail said:

It's unclear, then, what the right thing is. Should the New Power Generation albums remain New Power Generation since that's how they were relased, or should they be called Prince albums. And album's released under the symbol now are called Prince albums. It certainly works better in my music library to call Prince, Symbol, Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, NPG, Prince and the Third Eye Girl, Madhouse, etc., all Prince albums so they all end up in the same place in my iTunes library. I end up leaving something like the Time with their own name (except for their songs on Grafitti Bridge so that whole album is in the Prince library).

Newpower Soul did have this promo poster

Yeah I've mentioned this above. I thought it was early promo material because Bart said this once IIRC, but now I wonder: wasn't that displayed in stores? Regardless, we don't even know whether this was made at PP and approved by P or if it was just BMG's local marketing department fooling around. Obviously if you were working at BMG you'd think the symbol or "Prince" would be easier to sell than NPG, and your job is to make a poster.

I found the image on a site selling the poster - they said it was used to promote the album in Germany

https://www.dking-gallery.com/store/PROMO_PrinceNewpower.html

One Song, Cyber Single, Purple and Gold, F.U.N.K., some the NPGMC songs...

another one for the list Discojellyfish. I guess technically that one wasn't released, just streamed for a bit.

BanishedBrian said:

databank said:

^ Guys, it's not about what we consider or think or wish and there is no debate. You can consider Madonna's Like A Prayer to be a George Michael album and file your Björk records as Kate Bush records on our iTunes if you wish to. You can decide that in your own fantasy world Quentin Tarantino was elected POTU in 2016 and that Donald Trump is a Walt Disney cartoon character. Yeah, you'all are free to do all that and more, and if it works for you it's cool. But the minute you step outside of your own personal bubble and wanna interact with the rest of the world, you have to deal with facts.

Facts are that when released NPS was credited to NPG, and facts are that music composed, arranged, recorded and produced by Prince is music composed, arranged, recorded and produced by Prince regardless of who sings or who it is created to.

That's it. Period.

Have to agree. What was released under whatever name Prince wanted it released should be honoured and kept that way.

Even in that promo artwork, the new Symbol album was a New Power Generation release.
It's a bit clearer on the promo cd, the Symbol is on the cd there but its clearly marked as a New Power Generation release.

[Edited 8/25/18 14:36pm]

1999 the new master

alandail said:

databank said:

Yeah I've mentioned this above. I thought it was early promo material because Bart said this once IIRC, but now I wonder: wasn't that displayed in stores? Regardless, we don't even know whether this was made at PP and approved by P or if it was just BMG's local marketing department fooling around. Obviously if you were working at BMG you'd think the symbol or "Prince" would be easier to sell than NPG, and your job is to make a poster.

I found the image on a site selling the poster - they said it was used to promote the album in Germany

https://www.dking-gallery.com/store/PROMO_PrinceNewpower.html

Then most likely made by the German/Continental European department at BMG, nothing to do with Prince or Paisley Park. Local marketing departments handle their own promo material for record stores and so on. Though I find it a little odd they'd print it in English not German, that would never have happened in France where any promo material would have been in French, but on the orther hand Germans are more English-savy than French.

^ACtually yes, I just realize the website says BMG.de, so definitely German made. Cannot be brought-up as an argument in favor of NPS being credited to .

alandail said:

databank said:

It's BS, revisionist history. It is not "more" a Prince record than the other NPG releases: the leading creative force behind those records was always Prince, and Prince alone. Either you rewrite history and you credit all the side projects to Prince, begining with The Time and Madhouse, or you just respect whatever original credit the records received at the time, while acknowledging that in the end it doesn't matter what the credits were, because we all know it was Prince in the end.

.

They also consider Kamasutra and C-Notes as Prince releases when they are respectively NPG Orchestra and The New Power Generation (there is more ambiguity regarding C-Note, as the individual tracks were credited to Prince and the NPG, then the 2004 release didn't have any official credit IIRC, but the album cover makes it clear it's a NPG release).

.

This shows how little whomever did this website knows (that, + stealing text straight off Princevault without crediting them, and omitting certain side projects such as Carmen Electra, Times Squared and Child Of The Sun while including others with lesser Prince involvement such as Ingrid Chavez, Pandemonium or The Voice...).

.

An official discography website is a good idea, as it can be a lighter, fancier looking and less technically detailed version of Princevault intended for marketing purposes, but they need some consulting by the most dedicated fans on such a project.

They should hire you for that.

When did Newpower Soul get recategorized as a Prince album. Was it the estate, or was it included in the list of Prince albums earlier. I remember a list of prince albums, maybe when one of hte Hit N Run albums were released, maybe when Tidal launched, that was pretty extensive.

[Edited 8/24/18 6:59am]

Co_Sign

Consulting and or hiring Dedicated Princes fans would save them a lot of time and no doubt money..

Hec...the work you Databank and Prince Vault have done should be formally acknowledged...for sure they are referencing BOTH of you

TwiliteKid said:

skywalker said:

I consider Newpower Soul a proper Prince album. His voice, he plays most of the instruments, it's his face on the cover, he stars in the videos.

That about covers it.

BanishedBrian said:

Kamasutra?

That failed attempt at "classical" music can stay missing. It's useless as a piece of art. I'd call it a piece of clart, though.

I worked on the NPS campaign at BMG (RCA) and without any doubt it was a Prince project. Prince called the shots! But he was happy to indulge us to perform at Cafe De Paris and to shoot the Come On video in London. He was open to promotion but moved on very quickly to other projects - but we all know he liked to do that!

There was some conversation about Wasted Kisses being a single but Prince had moved on and wasn't interested.

Legally this was a New Power Generation release fronted by the Artist as Warners at this point were still restricting Prince using his name.

So this needs to be listed as a New Power Generation album but us fans know it's crafted and led by Prince!

I file all my Prince and Related music chronologically so this sits in 1998 in my collection after Crystal Ball and then before Rave (another BMG (Arista) release).