206Michelle said:

What May Have Really Killed Prince & Why We Should Care . Joseph Coughlin Forbes August 16, 2018 . A tragic example of the universality of the problem is the death of Prince, a multimillionaire with millions of adoring fans. In 2016, the 57-year-old pop star died in his cavernous Paisley Park complex from an opioid overdose, to be discovered thirteen hours later by his paid staff. His dependence on painkillers, as is the case of many suffering Americans, seemed to come out of a deep, pervasive loneliness, which obsessed him. His worst fear, his friend Neal Karlen wrote, “was dying alone.” Link: https://www.forbes.com/si...ould-care/ [Edited 8/18/18 16:15pm]

LIES!

kinda reminds me of the story that prince had an org account here but was ran offf when he spoke about his ideas, people didn't know who they were talking to and run him off, sounds believable. , the org was and is vile.

CatB said:

No. From my experience he had pretty young things around him who were there for party and fame but who weren't able to give him anything. And they were just one example for company that left him feel lonely.

Of course there were also other people around, and I too had deep conversations with him. I said he was lonely by choice.

As for Morris Hayes, just in the recent ARTE documentary he said he didn't understand what Prince was talking about (dimensions etc). Prince was an enigma to many people, even those closest to him often didn't get him. Many of his musicians said they never knew what he was talking about most of the time and that they were only there doing their job. It depended on the respective other how many personalities Prince had.

SkipperLove said:

Probably insecure. Prince was different things to different people. From your experience, he wanted pretty young things he could party with (and some of his later personal encounters seem to suggest that as well. Although I don't automatically assume that pretty and young equates to stupid). But other people's accounts (Steve Parke, Ruth Argate, Eryka Badu, Afshin Shahidi, Morris Hayes) were different. They described intellectual and spiritual discussion with him even if his views were quite different. Is it possible that the journalists were right when they said that Prince only revealed about 15% of himself to any one person, and it was probably a different 15%?? Maybe this is why Morris Hayes described Prince as havign 5 different personalities. He was around long enough to see 15X5.

[Edited 8/19/18 13:39pm]

PeteSilas said:

the answer is in kirk's mind vault

luvsexy4all said:

the answer is in kirk's mind vault

I was wondering, in 30 years if Kirk will one day write a tell all. Not saying he should or shouldn't.

Krystalkisses said:

luvsexy4all said:

the answer is in kirk's mind vault

I was wondering, in 30 years if Kirk will one day write a tell all. Not saying he should or shouldn't.

I don't think he will. It's all in KJ's vault and that vault is locked. But he knows what happened.

PennyPurple said:

Krystalkisses said:

I was wondering, in 30 years if Kirk will one day write a tell all. Not saying he should or shouldn't.

I don't think he will. It's all in KJ's vault and that vault is locked. But he knows what happened.

it may be locked ..but computer programs have a key

luvsexy4all said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't think he will. It's all in KJ's vault and that vault is locked. But he knows what happened.

it may be locked ..but computer programs have a key

One would think, but they couldn't get the deleted items from P's computer, that just disappeared.

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

And yet he pushed everybody away.

I don't think Prince felt understood by most people. The lyrics to "Way Back Home" and "Here " from Mpls Sound say a lot actually.

“He probably was one of the most misunderstood guys in the world.

“He was simple in his makeup.

He didn’t put pressure on people.

He let people be who they were."

~~Geroge Benson~

Um, no. Just no.................... Don't believe that BS article.

luvsexy4all said:

the answer is in kirk's mind vault

Nope..... He doesn't know.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

kinda reminds me of the story that prince had an org account here but was ran offf when he spoke about his ideas, people didn't know who they were talking to and run him off, sounds believable. , the org was and is vile.

Yep you gotta love the irony.

Yeah *sigh*

funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

the answer is in kirk's mind vault

Nope..... He doesn't know.

all due respect funksterr, why wouldn't he? he was amongst the closest to him right?

IstenSzek said:

206Michelle said:

His dependence on painkillers....seemed to come out of a deep, pervasive loneliness,

i'm not sure about that. what i am pretty sure about is where the writer pulled this article out of.

also a deep, dark place

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

IstenSzek said:

i'm not sure about that. what i am pretty sure about is where the writer pulled this article out of.

also a deep, dark place

yup, just another asshole trying to make a buck and a story off a celeb. millions of people are lonely, probably with a lot more reason than any rockstar has right to be. ever been to a resthome? talked to a homeless person? watch a person die of a disease and have everyone abandon them?

PeteSilas said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

yup, just another asshole trying to make a buck and a story off a celeb. millions of people are lonely, probably with a lot more reason than any rockstar has right to be. ever been to a resthome? talked to a homeless person? watch a person die of a disease and have everyone abandon them?

U make a lot of sense sometimes.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

funksterr said:

Nope..... He doesn't know.

all due respect funksterr, why wouldn't he? he was amongst the closest to him right?

Some day Pete, but not today.

PeteSilas said:

kinda reminds me of the story that prince had an org account here but was ran offf when he spoke about his ideas, people didn't know who they were talking to and run him off, sounds believable. , the org was and is vile.

CatB said:

No. From my experience he had pretty young things around him who were there for party and fame but who weren't able to give him anything. And they were just one example for company that left him feel lonely.

Of course there were also other people around, and I too had deep conversations with him. I said he was lonely by choice.

As for Morris Hayes, just in the recent ARTE documentary he said he didn't understand what Prince was talking about (dimensions etc). Prince was an enigma to many people, even those closest to him often didn't get him. Many of his musicians said they never knew what he was talking about most of the time and that they were only there doing their job. It depended on the respective other how many personalities Prince had.

Alternatively, perhaps the ideas he posted were objectively worthy of being run off.

IstenSzek said:

206Michelle said:

His dependence on painkillers....seemed to come out of a deep, pervasive loneliness,

i'm not sure about that. what i am pretty sure about is where the writer pulled this article out of.

also a deep, dark place

He injured his hip on the One Nite Alone tour and has been on painkillers. Chronic Pain is a bitch, and these highly addictive narcotics are the only thing that works for relief. I believe it was accidental, not foul play. I don't think it was suicidal or homicidal, just very unfortunate.

Cinny said:

He injured his hip on the One Nite Alone tour and has been on painkillers. Chronic Pain is a bitch, and these highly addictive narcotics are the only thing that works for relief. I believe it was accidental, not foul play. I don't think it was suicidal or homicidal, just very unfortunate.

how did he injure it on that tour? That was probably the first tour where he wasn't hopping around alot. The focus was on the music.

PeteSilas said:

Cinny said:

He injured his hip on the One Nite Alone tour and has been on painkillers. Chronic Pain is a bitch, and these highly addictive narcotics are the only thing that works for relief. I believe it was accidental, not foul play. I don't think it was suicidal or homicidal, just very unfortunate.

how did he injure it on that tour? That was probably the first tour where he wasn't hopping around alot. The focus was on the music.

Alan Night tells Tidal that during the ONA Tour, "he was doing a run through Ohio and a couple of other Midwest cities - Pittsburgh and stuff - and he hurt his hip."

I would note that Night's other descriptions of that tour (like the intensity/length of soundchecks and aftershows) don't ring true, and the ONA Tour didn't actually stop in Pittsburgh, so I'm wondering if Night is just conflating something (or otherwise mythmaking).

BanishedBrian said:

PeteSilas said:

how did he injure it on that tour? That was probably the first tour where he wasn't hopping around alot. The focus was on the music.

Alan Night tells Tidal that during the ONA Tour, "he was doing a run through Ohio and a couple of other Midwest cities - Pittsburgh and stuff - and he hurt his hip."

I would note that Night's other descriptions of that tour (like the intensity/length of soundchecks and aftershows) don't ring true, and the ONA Tour didn't actually stop in Pittsburgh, so I'm wondering if Night is just conflating something (or otherwise mythmaking).

i wouldn't say it couldn't happen but that tour was his first somewhat major one where from what I understand, he didn't do a lot of the old showbiz type stuff, it was about the music. Musicology he went back to dancing supposedly with a lot of pain.

PeteSilas said:

BanishedBrian said:

Alan Night tells Tidal that during the ONA Tour, "he was doing a run through Ohio and a couple of other Midwest cities - Pittsburgh and stuff - and he hurt his hip."

I would note that Night's other descriptions of that tour (like the intensity/length of soundchecks and aftershows) don't ring true, and the ONA Tour didn't actually stop in Pittsburgh, so I'm wondering if Night is just conflating something (or otherwise mythmaking).

i wouldn't say it couldn't happen but that tour was his first somewhat major one where from what I understand, he didn't do a lot of the old showbiz type stuff, it was about the music. Musicology he went back to dancing supposedly with a lot of pain.

I also saw several shows in the weeks that followed the ONA Tour's stop in Ohio, and Prince did not show any signs of physical problems (including at the pre-show Q&A for NPGMC members).

As you say, Musicology had much more physical movement.

Prince was independent and could live alone comfortably if that's what he wanted. Many people are like that. He may have liked a wife by his side, but she would have to match his intellect and lifestyle.

I view his death as an unfortunate accident. He was on meds for chronic pain. Other than that, he was fine.

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

Prince was independent and could live alone comfortably if that's what he wanted. Many people are like that. He may have liked a wife by his side, but she would have to match his intellect and lifestyle.

I view his death as an unfortunate accident. He was on meds for chronic pain. Other than that, he was fine.

Wow! Someone finally said something classy and also made sense at the same time.

Kudos to U!!

I actually didn't see the ONA tour at all, so I was going by that quote. (Musicology was hype though!)

Cinny said:

TrevorAyer said:

Cinny said:

He injured his hip on the One Nite Alone tour and has been on painkillers. Chronic Pain is a bitch, and these highly addictive narcotics are the only thing that works for relief. I believe it was accidental, not foul play. I don't think it was suicidal or homicidal, just very unfortunate.

Just to be clear ... pain meds are NOT the only way to successfully manage pain .. it just takes a willingness to change your lifestyle dramatically in order to manage pain without meds .. most people are not willing to make such changes Unfortunately pain is your body’s way of telling you something is wrong, move differently, eat differently etc.. when u numb that pain signal and keep on aggrivating the injury, it makes the injury worse, causing a percieved need to increase dosage when actually a person in pain needs to be more careful how they move and use pain as a signal when to stop For a guy like prince that meant NOT performing, dancing, standing on his hip, or allowing weight on his injury, maybe even laying down more than he would like .. it was not til the end he chose to perform sitting ... even then he chose to overdo it banging his hands on piano for 3 hours per night even tho arthritis and on heavy meds

Not like Prince was fat. Is he supposed to not move?