Supernova said:

I never said never, luckily.

Anji said:

actually, not. usually when i'm at my lowest is when i lighten up on him.

Anji said:

Not at all. Prince is not God. If someone doesn't like an album of his, it means the album sucks, not that they have emotional problems. If you pay for a club and you feel their advertising was misleading, then you have an issue with that persons business practices, it doesn't mean you have a mental problem.

When are people going to quit pointing the finger at fans and the industry everytime P fucks up?

AaronSuperior said:

So when you're at your lowest, did you find yourself spinning Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (and enjoying it) or reminiscing fondly about the Crystal Ball set that hadn't arrived? Just examples.

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

The only time I can remember feeling really annoyed with Him was when He insisted on spouting his 'u upstairs in the cheap seats' crap on tour last year. Kinda tainted the show 4 me.

I felt annoyed because, having been an avid follower/supporter/fan/fam - WHICHEVER way u wanna word it, I felt as If he was saying that these people hadnt/weren't doing enough 4 him, and I felt that it was wrong - It made me feel as If MY £15 I spent on every album was not as valued as the NPG Memebers - which may not have been how He intended it, but that's most definately how it was perceived (not only by myself) but by numerous others I know. That dig really saddened me 2 hear

And now Its supposedly my fault I felt like that at that time? Come on Anji! Ive heard really good things about u, and u have been spoken highly of - dont be raining on my parade! U aint been abducted and replaced have u like the guys siad?

Tom said:

I agree, Prince is not God. But why treat him as anything more than a musician doing his thing?

By your own admissions, it seemed like you were prepared to expect more than what Prince has always been known for being, just a musician doing his thing. For example, when you subscribed to NPGMC Year 2, you ended up feeling outdone by his business practises.

You pointed the finger at yourself, not me.

bananacologne said:

I'm not defending what Prince says or does. I'm simply pointing out that he's just a normal guy who has developed an exceptional talent for making his fans expect the best from him. When he fails to satisfy those expectations, I'm just wondering whether it is our own securities that reveal themselves (rather than his).

For example, I've heard gay people thinking Prince is alienating them throughout The Rainbow Children. That says more about the listener, and less about the artist. Or does it?

Tom said:

AMEN...i have been sayin this for the last week...and then some "Independent Researcher" busts my nuts for expressing my dissatisfaction with his business practices...its not that I don't like prince...it is that i don't like the way that he runs his business...he still b playin n my cd player

Anji said:

I have 2 say no. Sorry. Ive read many posts on here about such things, and until I hear it literally from His Nibbs Himself, I aint sweatin any. Besides, I dont think He's ever specifically 'tailored' any of His songs 2 a Gay audience per se, they've always seemed 2 be about 'straight' love - and Hey, im kool with that, it's never been a problem in the past, and I dont see it being a problem in the future - although I AM interested if that is the case.
Ive never put Prince on a pedastal - and I think u would be surprised by the amount of others who would agree - u only have 2 see how He was last year on tour with the fans/fams/whatever 2 see how He's started 2 let the walls around Him come down - but then again, He always seemed 2 have a different personality every album (ie: Purple Rain - unaproachable, aloof, petulant. Parade: fun. LoveseXy - approachable, fun, giving...) So even I aint quite sure how that works from album 2 album - but hey, that's what makes all this so much FUN.
I get what your trying 2 say Anji, I just think u are saying it in the wrong way!

alexnevermind319 said:

It is possible to like Prince music and dislike his business practises. Agreed.

It is also possible to dislike Prince's business practises to the point where you discredit the person, unreasonably so. I think you know what I'm sayin' Alexus.

bananacologne said:

Sometimes you've got to say it wrong, to get the right answers. Besides, I'm not sure where I stand on this question.

Anji said:

Right. You said "not being satisfied at any point in time - which I put in bold originally, not "never." Never was just added because your phrase was "at any point in time"... Ya see.

Anji said:

You just wanted to make this a long ass thread.

Anji said:

In the instance of that album specifically, yes. Because the lyrics are interpreted on that album in different ways. And some of the interpretations of a specific up front, direct lyric (which is an anomaly on that album) I've seen by some here are hysterical.

Supernova said:

I see ya, Super, but I think you misconstrued my intent.

Supernova said:

Do you want to mother me?

Supernova said:

Here, here.

If nothing else Anji - bloody interesting thread!!!

bananacologne said:

Hey Banana, I don't think we really got into the juice of this thread (mainly because of how I addressed the question) but it's all good. I've learnt a couple things anyway...

Great thread Anji!!

I agree with what you say. Prince is a musician, doing his thing, it is what people expect from him that colour their judgement of what he is 'putting out there' however he chooses to do that, whether that be in music or new website.

It's like when people think they know what he thinks, I think that is basically some kind of identification with him as well as an outright projection onto him. Some projections are horrible ones too - kind of like working out all the shit on Prince like a surrogate parent or something.

Whenever he is put 'up there' on a pedestal, the polarity of that is that he can fall to 'down there' under my shoe, he let me down, he failed me, he didn't listen.

Idolatry is a lie.

Anji said:

sometimes. what's it to ya?

Anji said:

Well, share w/ the class - what did you learn here Anji?

yeah! c'mon - spill!
Do u think (or were u trying 2 say) that people's expectations have been/are coloured by the mistakes/bad moves He has made in the past? I think u really need 2 narrow down what u MEAN as apposed 2 what u SAY - I almost think I get where you're coming from, but Im still not sure. Im kinda going with the flow, and reading the responses is kinda interesting...

this thread is conclusive proof that the org is full of fucking nut jobs

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[This message was edited Mon Apr 21 2:53:42 PDT 2003 by MrBliss]

Anji said:

WTF are you talking about?! Brainwashed...

By my own admissions? of what? "Just a musician doin his thing" doesn't cut it. As long as he is setting up shop and taking our money, thats business. You either run it properly or don't run it at all. But if you run it shitty then expect some criticism.
[This message was edited Mon Apr 21 7:22:37 PDT 2003 by Tom]

Anji said:

I disagree. Those people like me who love his music judge it on its own merits, not based on what's going on in their lives at a particular time. And why would we take it personally against Prince? Sure, he drives me crazy with some of the things he does, but I always wish him well.

MrBliss said:

Duckie!

Yeah, your statement could be true to a certain extent but sometimes when things are going good in my life and I'm also looking forward to going back to PP than he says there isno celebration and also I have to wonder why he would become a member of JWs when I thought he was a genuis. Things like that. Sometimes he gets me down, when I'm not down!

Anji said:

Absolutely not.

Anji said:

Your question presumes a reliance on Prince as the sole source of happiness in our lives. To put it kindly, that's inaccurate.

I can hate his new music and love my life
I can love his new music and hate my life.

In any event, there's so much more music out there to fill the void!