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Reply #120 posted 07/25/18 8:16am

djThunderfunk

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djThunderfunk said:

Steve Parke's Picturing Prince was first released in the UK, hardcover, April 6, 2017. 5 months later it was released in the US, hardcover, on September 5, 2017.... with "16 Pages of new material".

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That does not make the 'policy' less stupid.

It lowers standards and does not improve choice.


The point is it's standard industry practice, so, complaining about in regards to Duane's book is silly. If it's such a big problem, then maybe consider addressing it as an industry problem instead of attacking a single author. Just sayin'...


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Reply #121 posted 07/25/18 8:23am

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It's all explained in the link provided by Bart. It's common practice in the book world: first you release the expensive hardback and then the cheaper paperback. It's been like that for years.

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This is not a simple reprint.

It is an updated edition.

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Again: read what Duane has posted.

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Reply #122 posted 07/25/18 9:31am

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djThunderfunk said:

Steve Parke's Picturing Prince was first released in the UK, hardcover, April 6, 2017. 5 months later it was released in the US, hardcover, on September 5, 2017.... with "16 Pages of new material".


I'd be comfortable calling that a cash grab. Duane's update makes sense because new information came to light. But an updated photo book? That's double-dip city.

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Reply #123 posted 07/25/18 9:51am

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another thing that is common practice is rereleasing albums with a few new bonustracks. when an artist does that within a year, I don't like it either.

I understand this whole situation, I don't blame Duane, I realise how the market works, I'll probably buy the new book anyway (and doing so contribute to this common practice staying common) but that doesn't mean I have to neccesarily agree with it.

I'd much prefer the next book and after the whole series one book with every update.

and yes I know that it won't happen and I also know why. (and the more money to Duane, the better!!, again I don't blame Duane one bit, I'm just afraid that this paperback will cause the next book taking longer to be released).

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Reply #124 posted 07/26/18 3:11am

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Freek99999 said:

another thing that is common practice is rereleasing albums with a few new bonustracks. when an artist does that within a year, I don't like it either.

I understand this whole situation, I don't blame Duane, I realise how the market works

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Sigh... How about READING Duane's post: original plan was a simple paperback version (with some errors corrected); Duane then told the publisher that he could add a lot of new info, they agreed and Duane TOOK OFF FROM WORK to do the interviews and rewrites (though I assume this might have been funded by his publisher).

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He didn't sit on a bunch of new info planning to only release it a year after publication. Blame this on all those band members and engineers etc. who couldn't be arsed to speak to people like Duane for 20/30 years but now do.

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I'd much prefer the next book and after the whole series one book with every update.

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Again: ridiculous idea. That one book would be massive and include an impossible to use index. Want to know what happened on day X? First check the book with updates, and then the original book. Want to read what happened in month X? Good luck puzzling that month together by skipping between two books.

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Reply #125 posted 07/26/18 4:51am

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BartVanHemelen said:

I'd much prefer the next book and after the whole series one book with every update.

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Again: ridiculous idea. That one book would be massive and include an impossible to use index. Want to know what happened on day X? First check the book with updates, and then the original book. Want to read what happened in month X? Good luck puzzling that month together by skipping between two books.

If nothing else, this thread has proved that many people are cheap, holding on to every penny, feeling ripped-off even when they aren't, and ready to accept anything if it'll save them 15 bucks. Sad.

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Reply #126 posted 07/26/18 5:31am

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Will the newly added portions be seperated or do I have to re read the whole thing to find the new material?

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Reply #127 posted 07/26/18 6:46am

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databank said:

If nothing else, this thread has proved that many people are cheap, holding on to every penny, feeling ripped-off even when they aren't, and ready to accept anything if it'll save them 15 bucks. Sad.

A lot of us work hard for our money. 15 bucks is 15 bucks... When we just bought the book, now have to spend X amount of $$ to get the updated version, which is looking like we won't even know where the updated info will be located at.


And you are complaining about people being cheap..when the author comes here and advertises his book for free on the biggest Prince fan web page. confused

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Reply #128 posted 07/26/18 7:14am

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PennyPurple said:

databank said:

If nothing else, this thread has proved that many people are cheap, holding on to every penny, feeling ripped-off even when they aren't, and ready to accept anything if it'll save them 15 bucks. Sad.

A lot of us work hard for our money. 15 bucks is 15 bucks... When we just bought the book, now have to spend X amount of $$ to get the updated version, which is looking like we won't even know where the updated info will be located at.


And you are complaining about people being cheap..when the author comes here and advertises his book for free on the biggest Prince fan web page. confused


falloff Any author of a book about Prince that does NOT advertise here is an idiot. That's not being cheap, it's being smart. lol

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Reply #129 posted 07/26/18 7:19am

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djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

A lot of us work hard for our money. 15 bucks is 15 bucks... When we just bought the book, now have to spend X amount of $$ to get the updated version, which is looking like we won't even know where the updated info will be located at.


And you are complaining about people being cheap..when the author comes here and advertises his book for free on the biggest Prince fan web page. confused


falloff Any author of a book about Prince that does NOT advertise here is an idiot. That's not being cheap, it's being smart. lol

And as a consumer we are being smart with how our money is spent..

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Reply #130 posted 07/26/18 7:23am

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PennyPurple said:

databank said:

If nothing else, this thread has proved that many people are cheap, holding on to every penny, feeling ripped-off even when they aren't, and ready to accept anything if it'll save them 15 bucks. Sad.

A lot of us work hard for our money. 15 bucks is 15 bucks... When we just bought the book, now have to spend X amount of $$ to get the updated version, which is looking like we won't even know where the updated info will be located at.


And you are complaining about people being cheap..when the author comes here and advertises his book for free on the biggest Prince fan web page. confused

It's not about that. Poverty is a state of mind. 15 bucks is peanuts. People will spend more than that for a dinner at the restaurant or an evening at the bar without thinking, but if it's about a book they're gonna make a fuss.

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Besides, while most people work hard for their money, there are others who work hard for free, which is exactly what Duane (or "the author" as you call him) has been doing for decades when working with Uptown Mag then preparing this book. It's quite unlikely Duane will make any profit off this book series if you think in terms of the amount of working hours he's put into it. And right now he's the only person on Earth who's willing able to do this job. My greatest concern is who is going to do the post-WB years if Duane doesn't (and apparently he's not planning to)?

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So I'm sorry, but when people make a fuss about having to spend an additional 15 bucks, I'm kind of puzzled as to why their time and money are so precious but it's OK for people like Duane to work for us for free.

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So now I'm all in favor of a basic universal income, but until we get there Duane's time and work are worth as much money as yours.

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Reply #131 posted 07/26/18 7:32am

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PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:


falloff Any author of a book about Prince that does NOT advertise here is an idiot. That's not being cheap, it's being smart. lol

And as a consumer we are being smart with how our money is spent..


I must have missed the post where anyone was pressured to buy this book once, must less re-buy it. If you want to be frugal, you always have princevault.

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Reply #132 posted 07/26/18 7:38am

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databank said:

PennyPurple said:

A lot of us work hard for our money. 15 bucks is 15 bucks... When we just bought the book, now have to spend X amount of $$ to get the updated version, which is looking like we won't even know where the updated info will be located at.


And you are complaining about people being cheap..when the author comes here and advertises his book for free on the biggest Prince fan web page. confused

It's not about that. Poverty is a state of mind. 15 bucks is peanuts. People will spend more than that for a dinner at the restaurant or an evening at the bar without thinking, but if it's about a book they're gonna make a fuss.

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Besides, while most people work hard for their money, there are others who work hard for free, which is exactly what Duane (or "the author" as you call him) has been doing for decades when working with Uptown Mag then preparing this book. It's quite unlikely Duane will make any profit off this book series if you think in terms of the amount of working hours he's put into it. And right now he's the only person on Earth who's willing able to do this job. My greatest concern is who is going to do the post-WB years if Duane doesn't (and apparently he's not planning to)?

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So I'm sorry, but when people make a fuss about having to spend an additional 15 bucks, I'm kind of puzzled as to why their time and money are so precious but it's OK for people like Duane to work for us for free.

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So now I'm all in favor of a basic universal income, but until we get there Duane's time and work are worth as much money as yours.

But for some people that 15 bucks is almost 2 hours worth of pay. Poverty is not a 'state of mind'. Poverty is poverty.

Was Duane forced to do the book?

You are the one who is complaining that people are cheap.? But that is an additional 15 bucks on top of what was already spent for the 1st book.

If people who can afford to pay for them, good for them, but for people who don't have that much to blow, really don't need to be called cheap and be put down because people watch where their $$ goes.

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Reply #133 posted 07/26/18 7:39am

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djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

And as a consumer we are being smart with how our money is spent..


I must have missed the post where anyone was pressured to buy this book once, must less re-buy it. If you want to be frugal, you always have princevault.

I know.

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Reply #134 posted 07/26/18 7:55am

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PennyPurple said:

databank said:

It's not about that. Poverty is a state of mind. 15 bucks is peanuts. People will spend more than that for a dinner at the restaurant or an evening at the bar without thinking, but if it's about a book they're gonna make a fuss.

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Besides, while most people work hard for their money, there are others who work hard for free, which is exactly what Duane (or "the author" as you call him) has been doing for decades when working with Uptown Mag then preparing this book. It's quite unlikely Duane will make any profit off this book series if you think in terms of the amount of working hours he's put into it. And right now he's the only person on Earth who's willing able to do this job. My greatest concern is who is going to do the post-WB years if Duane doesn't (and apparently he's not planning to)?

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So I'm sorry, but when people make a fuss about having to spend an additional 15 bucks, I'm kind of puzzled as to why their time and money are so precious but it's OK for people like Duane to work for us for free.

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So now I'm all in favor of a basic universal income, but until we get there Duane's time and work are worth as much money as yours.

But for some people that 15 bucks is almost 2 hours worth of pay. Poverty is not a 'state of mind'. Poverty is poverty.

Was Duane forced to do the book?

You are the one who is complaining that people are cheap.? But that is an additional 15 bucks on top of what was already spent for the 1st book.

If people who can afford to pay for them, good for them, but for people who don't have that much to blow, really don't need to be called cheap and be put down because people watch where their $$ goes.

TWO hours, oh my God! Wait! With the original book it must be at least FIVE hours!! Damn! Who would work for so many hours in order to buy a great book?! lol lol lol

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Of course poverty is a state of mind. When you can't buy something it's frustrating but it's no one's fault. When I see something that I want and it's too expensive for me, I don't blame those people selling it. I just either don't buy it or wait until I can afford it (or steal it if it can be downloaded for free, though in that particular case I wouldn't have done it because I do want Duane to publish more books).

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And while no one forced Duane to write that book, no one forced anyone to buy it either. Y'all should be grateful and suck Duane's toes out of gratitude (and I wanna see the video of that, too lol lol lol ) because if he wasn't writing those books, no one would nod

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Reply #135 posted 07/26/18 7:59am

Freek99999

Bart, aim your sarcasm at somebody else please, I won't have it. of course I read what Duane said, your reaction to my post is simply wrong:

"He didn't sit on a bunch of new info planning to only release it a year after publication"

Never and nowhere did I say or imply this.

I'm not gonna repeat my reasons again, I'll only add that it will cost a lot more than 15 dollars for me to have that paperback edition at my home.

and Databank: you're quoting Bart's reply to my post. Nowhere in that post was one reference to money being my reason for annoyance. so your reaction is just as unfair as Bart's is.

Bart is always quickly pointing at others they're not reading: your own reading skills aren't that great to begin with.

So now, agree with me and this discussion can be over smile

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Reply #136 posted 07/26/18 8:30am

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databank said:

PennyPurple said:

But for some people that 15 bucks is almost 2 hours worth of pay. Poverty is not a 'state of mind'. Poverty is poverty.

Was Duane forced to do the book?

You are the one who is complaining that people are cheap.? But that is an additional 15 bucks on top of what was already spent for the 1st book.

If people who can afford to pay for them, good for them, but for people who don't have that much to blow, really don't need to be called cheap and be put down because people watch where their $$ goes.

TWO hours, oh my God! Wait! With the original book it must be at least FIVE hours!! Damn! Who would work for so many hours in order to buy a great book?! lol lol lol

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Of course poverty is a state of mind. When you can't buy something it's frustrating but it's no one's fault. When I see something that I want and it's too expensive for me, I don't blame those people selling it. I just either don't buy it or wait until I can afford it (or steal it if it can be downloaded for free, though in that particular case I wouldn't have done it because I do want Duane to publish more books).

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And while no one forced Duane to write that book, no one forced anyone to buy it either. Y'all should be grateful and suck Duane's toes out of gratitude (and I wanna see the video of that, too lol lol lol ) because if he wasn't writing those books, no one would nod

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Oh puhleeeze, Duane needs to suck the toes of us Prince fans. lol We actually don't owe Duane anything. He's the one trying to sell. lol

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Reply #137 posted 07/26/18 9:18am

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PennyPurple said:

databank said:

It's not about that. Poverty is a state of mind. 15 bucks is peanuts. People will spend more than that for a dinner at the restaurant or an evening at the bar without thinking, but if it's about a book they're gonna make a fuss.

.

Besides, while most people work hard for their money, there are others who work hard for free, which is exactly what Duane (or "the author" as you call him) has been doing for decades when working with Uptown Mag then preparing this book. It's quite unlikely Duane will make any profit off this book series if you think in terms of the amount of working hours he's put into it. And right now he's the only person on Earth who's willing able to do this job. My greatest concern is who is going to do the post-WB years if Duane doesn't (and apparently he's not planning to)?

.

So I'm sorry, but when people make a fuss about having to spend an additional 15 bucks, I'm kind of puzzled as to why their time and money are so precious but it's OK for people like Duane to work for us for free.

.

So now I'm all in favor of a basic universal income, but until we get there Duane's time and work are worth as much money as yours.

But for some people that 15 bucks is almost 2 hours worth of pay. Poverty is not a 'state of mind'. Poverty is poverty.

Was Duane forced to do the book?

You are the one who is complaining that people are cheap.? But that is an additional 15 bucks on top of what was already spent for the 1st book.

If people who can afford to pay for them, good for them, but for people who don't have that much to blow, really don't need to be called cheap and be put down because people watch where their $$ goes.


Right now, on Amazon, USED copies of the hardback are priced between $20.14 - $44.94. Sell your hardback and buy the updated paperback. Problem solved.

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Reply #138 posted 07/26/18 9:22am

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PennyPurple said:

databank said:

TWO hours, oh my God! Wait! With the original book it must be at least FIVE hours!! Damn! Who would work for so many hours in order to buy a great book?! lol lol lol

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Of course poverty is a state of mind. When you can't buy something it's frustrating but it's no one's fault. When I see something that I want and it's too expensive for me, I don't blame those people selling it. I just either don't buy it or wait until I can afford it (or steal it if it can be downloaded for free, though in that particular case I wouldn't have done it because I do want Duane to publish more books).

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And while no one forced Duane to write that book, no one forced anyone to buy it either. Y'all should be grateful and suck Duane's toes out of gratitude (and I wanna see the video of that, too lol lol lol ) because if he wasn't writing those books, no one would nod

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Oh puhleeeze, Duane needs to suck the toes of us Prince fans. lol We actually don't owe Duane anything. He's the one trying to sell. lol


Spoken like someone who hasn't read the book and/or has no appreciation or understanding of the time and effort that went into it. Duane has earned every penny. His book, even without the additional pages, is essential for any serious Prince fan.

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Reply #139 posted 07/26/18 9:36am

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djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh puhleeeze, Duane needs to suck the toes of us Prince fans. lol We actually don't owe Duane anything. He's the one trying to sell. lol


Spoken like someone who hasn't read the book and/or has no appreciation or understanding of the time and effort that went into it. Duane has earned every penny. His book, even without the additional pages, is essential for any serious Prince fan.

Seriously? Who ever said that Duane hasn't earned every penny?

I have tons of appreciation, but what is not appreciated is to have to buy 2 books in order to get the update. For those of us, who bought the 1st book. Then to be called 'cheap' when some complain about having to buy 2 books. I think we all understand that more people came forward to give more info and Duane wants to forward the additional info to the fans. We can't blame him for that, and we can't blame fans who are a little peeved about buying the same book with a tad more info.

Databank called people cheap, which is ironic since Duane comes here to advertise his book for free.

We can keep going round and round, but my mind isn't going to change.


The book is not a necessity and in my opinion (for me) I don't need to acquire it right away. No biggie. I should've just waited to buy the book, instead of being eager to get my hands on it right away.

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Reply #140 posted 07/26/18 9:37am

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djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

But for some people that 15 bucks is almost 2 hours worth of pay. Poverty is not a 'state of mind'. Poverty is poverty.

Was Duane forced to do the book?

You are the one who is complaining that people are cheap.? But that is an additional 15 bucks on top of what was already spent for the 1st book.

If people who can afford to pay for them, good for them, but for people who don't have that much to blow, really don't need to be called cheap and be put down because people watch where their $$ goes.


Right now, on Amazon, USED copies of the hardback are priced between $20.14 - $44.94. Sell your hardback and buy the updated paperback. Problem solved.

But I don't want to sell my hardback. I keep all hardback books, the paperbacks is what I get rid of. lol

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Reply #141 posted 07/26/18 10:15am

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PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:


Right now, on Amazon, USED copies of the hardback are priced between $20.14 - $44.94. Sell your hardback and buy the updated paperback. Problem solved.

But I don't want to sell my hardback. I keep all hardback books, the paperbacks is what I get rid of. lol


So what exactly is your complaint?

You've acknowledged that Duane did not have the extra info when the hardback was printed, would you prefer he just kept it to himself? Maybe you should be mad at people that waited until the book was published to realize he was the real deal and provide him with the extra info. Isn't it their fault you "have" to buy the book again?

I'm thinking the only thing that would satisfy you is if he hopped into a time machine and swapped out the original manuscript with the update so that you can have your cake (the first hardback edition) and eat it too (completely updated) without having to pay for two cakes.

What an entitled, first world problem, thing to complain about. razz

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Reply #142 posted 07/26/18 10:54am

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I understand both sides, but... Think of it like this: let's say Duane publishes a 1985-86 book. Who's going to buy the first edition? I think we might have a little problem here after all.
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Reply #143 posted 07/26/18 11:04am

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NorthC said:

I understand both sides, but... Think of it like this: let's say Duane publishes a 1985-86 book. Who's going to buy the first edition? I think we might have a little problem here after all.

Yep, like I said, I won't be in such hurry next time. Learned my lesson.

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Reply #144 posted 07/26/18 11:32am

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NorthC said:

I understand both sides, but... Think of it like this: let's say Duane publishes a 1985-86 book. Who's going to buy the first edition? I think we might have a little problem here after all.


I will! Can't wait. cool

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Reply #145 posted 07/26/18 2:50pm

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NorthC said:

I understand both sides, but... Think of it like this: let's say Duane publishes a 1985-86 book. Who's going to buy the first edition? I think we might have a little problem here after all.


If the problem here was that certain parties were reluctant to talk to Duane at first, but ultimately decided to after the hardcover was published (do we know that, or is it speculation?), then I'd say that that problem is solved.

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Reply #146 posted 07/26/18 3:10pm

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eyewishuheaven said:


If the problem here was that certain parties were reluctant to talk to Duane at first, but ultimately decided to after the hardcover was published (do we know that, or is it speculation?), then I'd say that that problem is solved.


Yes, that is exactly how it has been explained.

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Reply #147 posted 07/26/18 4:00pm

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djThunderfunk said:

eyewishuheaven said:


If the problem here was that certain parties were reluctant to talk to Duane at first, but ultimately decided to after the hardcover was published (do we know that, or is it speculation?), then I'd say that that problem is solved.


Yes, that is exactly how it has been explained.


Ah thanks, I must have missed that bit.

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Reply #148 posted 07/27/18 12:15am

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eyewishuheaven said:

djThunderfunk said:


Yes, that is exactly how it has been explained.


Ah thanks, I must have missed that bit.

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READ. DUANE'S. POST.

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REPEATEDLY.

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It's less than 500 words, and yet here we are at page five of this thread repeating them back at you lot over and over and over again.

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Reply #149 posted 07/27/18 12:41am

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Reading some of the posts in here I'm starting to get why some of the more knowledgeable Orgers are making themselves scarce and find the majority of fans in here ungrateful and not worth the time, info and material they have. I used to say these people were just overreacting and childish for hoarding info and all, but I'm starting to understand now.
When someone actually takes there own time and works for free to enlighten fans in here he gets shot down, and people wonder why some others in here don't participate in these discussions anymore or won't spread info. neutral
Duane won't make millions on his book and he probably will only recoup some of his expenses.
And honestly people with an internet connection don't live in poverty, they're just cheap or can't manage their luxuries. First world problems rolleyes

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