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Reply #90 posted 07/22/18 4:41am

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:

udo said:

And why is there no hardcover in the special offer?

It is a book. Not a calendar.

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How about you try READING what Duane has posted. He literally explained it all in his post.

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His publisher decided.

So that is as much of a bummer as the 1983 piano thing.

The publishers cannot be trusted anymore these days.

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Reply #91 posted 07/22/18 4:43am

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amazon.de did not show the expanded edition to me.

bol.com did not show the expanded edition to me.

so where can I get this?

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There's a fucking link IN THE VERY FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD.

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There's fucking reasons not to buy from the US but to buy from a European (i.e. more local for me) outlet: no tax issues, no unknown shipper, etc.

Please see the quoted stores: amazon.de is not teh favorite US outlet, isn't it?

Is bol.com in the top 10 in the US?

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Reply #92 posted 07/22/18 7:49am

EddieC

udo said:

EddieC said:

Maybe they don't know madhouseman is Duane, so they didn't read it.

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Madhouseman is the person that writes under each message:

My book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2017. (https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538105497/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8) or go to https://www.facebook.com/...s/10915961

I know that. I was suggesting maybe they didn't know that. I also don't assume everyone reads every signature line.

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Reply #93 posted 07/22/18 9:50am

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databank said:

scififilmnerd said:

It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice. confused

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out. neutral

I'm pretty sure if you orgnote Duane about such, unavoidable little errors, he will correct them for the book's next print.

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I'm surprised that you, of all people, don't want to buy the book again. You're usually so devoted to tiny details.

Well, if there's going to be no list of updates and buying the book is the only option to get the new information, I might cave in and buy it. shhh wink

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Reply #94 posted 07/23/18 5:38am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Se7en said:

I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

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Yeah sure, rewriting parts of the book so it now expands with 50 pages (an increase of more than 10%!) is a "cash grab".

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Seriously, have you guys not noticed the abundance of interviews with people from that era about that era over the past year? Be glad that the paperback is updated instead of it remaining outdated.

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That said, it seems to me that it's inevitable that these kind of books will be out of date for years to come. Who knows what the contents of Prince's vault will reveal. You'd almost need a subscription: imagine a binder full of lose pages, each representing a single day. New info comes out? Publish a new version of that page or even a completely new page (in case of a previously unknown date), which people can obtain to update their binders. Except at that point you're kinda putting out a paper version of a website...

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A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

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In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

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And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

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I like the idea of a living website, easier to update and easily accessible.

I do still stand by the cash grab comment. If another author did this (let's say Harry Potter or Davinci Code, or even Steve Jobs bio) exactly one year after the book first came out, people would be claiming cash grab on those too. I don't know what a proper waiting time between books would be, but one year doesn't feel like enough time between releases.

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Reply #95 posted 07/23/18 6:13am

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Se7en said:

I do still stand by the cash grab comment.

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If they would offer a hardcover version, thus competing with the 'deluxe' experience of a real book then the cashgrab would be seen differently.

Now they offer no hardcover as a no-compete type of choice.

It is sad to see such a valueable resource be published in this paperback format.

This is not a read once and shelve it book. This is a resource that will be consulted over and over again as the need arises. (Estate are you reading?)

Thus is needs a decent cover.

This 'discussion' is at the same level as the choice between a digipa(c)k and a jewel case.

A decent release offers a jewel case: it is the standard, lasts longer and is easy to replace should it break. Now try to do that with a digipa(c)k.

Same thing we want from the book: protection and sturdiness.

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Reply #96 posted 07/23/18 6:15am

djThunderfunk

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Se7en said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

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In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

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And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

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I like the idea of a living website, easier to update and easily accessible.

I do still stand by the cash grab comment. If another author did this (let's say Harry Potter or Davinci Code, or even Steve Jobs bio) exactly one year after the book first came out, people would be claiming cash grab on those too. I don't know what a proper waiting time between books would be, but one year doesn't feel like enough time between releases.


It's not uncommon for a paperback edition to contain updated information.

Censorship is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it or how noble their motivation.
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Reply #97 posted 07/23/18 6:32am

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djThunderfunk said:

It's not uncommon for a paperback edition to contain updated information.

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That does not mean it is right.

It is a cheap ass way to bring new product not competing with the hardcover on the packaging but on the price versus info plane.

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Reply #98 posted 07/23/18 9:32am

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I too would prefer to buy an updated edition in hardcover - if this really becomes a series, I want them all to look uniform and pretty on my shelf. That said, I'm aware that the only reason this release is even happening is because they want to release a paperback version.

So I guess my hardcover will sit on my shelf with the others, pretty and forever untouched, while I read (and re-read) the paperback.

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Reply #99 posted 07/24/18 2:57am

BartVanHemelen

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eyewishuheaven said:

I too would prefer to buy an updated edition in hardcover - if this really becomes a series, I want them all to look uniform and pretty on my shelf.

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I've seen pictures of at least three different versions of the hardcover.

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Reply #100 posted 07/24/18 3:16am

JorisE73

udo said:

This is not a read once and shelve it book. This is a resource that will be consulted over and over again as the need arises. (Estate are you reading?)

Thus is needs a decent cover.

This 'discussion' is at the same level as the choice between a digipa(c)k and a jewel case.

A decent release offers a jewel case: it is the standard, lasts longer and is easy to replace should it break. Now try to do that with a digipa(c)k.

Same thing we want from the book: protection and sturdiness.



This depends on the person handling it. My The Vault book is also paperback and consulted daily since 2004 and it still looks great. No creases or folds or damage.
Same for my digpacks and vinyl covers, if you handle them normally and store them properly they won't damage that much, so I think this says more about you and how you store and handle your books/cd's/vinyls wink

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Reply #101 posted 07/24/18 3:28am

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JorisE73 said:

so I think this says more about you and how you store and handle your books/cd's/vinyls wink

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I wrote about what I was looking for in packaging.

Not about how I treat my stuff or how my stuff suffers from that treatment.

Your conclusions are your own.

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Reply #102 posted 07/24/18 3:45am

JorisE73

udo said:

JorisE73 said:

so I think this says more about you and how you store and handle your books/cd's/vinyls wink

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I wrote about what I was looking for in packaging.

Not about how I treat my stuff or how my stuff suffers from that treatment.

Your conclusions are your own.


Lighten up. A paperback is sturdy enough when handled and stored properly.

My conclusion is based on your overdramatic post on protection and sturdiness of paperback vs hardcover.

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Reply #103 posted 07/24/18 5:57am

udo

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JorisE73 said:

udo said:

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I wrote about what I was looking for in packaging.

Not about how I treat my stuff or how my stuff suffers from that treatment.

Your conclusions are your own.


Lighten up. A paperback is sturdy enough when handled and stored properly.

My conclusion is based on your overdramatic post on protection and sturdiness of paperback vs hardcover.

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Why then does the publisher make a difference between hardcover and paperback?

Why does he release the first edition as a hardcover and this 'expanded' edition as paperback only (!!!).

It could be that he does not want to compete against the enormous stacks of unsold hardcovers out there. Please say so if that is the case.

It could be that the 'deluxe' feeling of a hardcover is overrated in their eyes. But what do publishers know? (plenty of examples...)

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The elegant way to handle things would be to sell out the (old) hardcover.

And then deliver only new, expanded hardcovers.

But apparently that is an issue that is too simple.

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Reply #104 posted 07/24/18 6:03am

JorisE73

udo said:

JorisE73 said:


Lighten up. A paperback is sturdy enough when handled and stored properly.

My conclusion is based on your overdramatic post on protection and sturdiness of paperback vs hardcover.

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Why then does the publisher make a difference between hardcover and paperback?

Why does he release the first edition as a hardcover and this 'expanded' edition as paperback only (!!!).

It could be that he does not want to compete against the enormous stacks of unsold hardcovers out there. Please say so if that is the case.

It could be that the 'deluxe' feeling of a hardcover is overrated in their eyes. But what do publishers know? (plenty of examples...)

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The elegant way to handle things would be to sell out the (old) hardcover.

And then deliver only new, expanded hardcovers.

But apparently that is an issue that is too simple.


Maybe a hardcover is too expensive to produce and not worth the investment.

Considering there isn't a huge market for this book than why invest more when it could be produced for less and more money could be made.
I guess it's just a business decision.

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Reply #105 posted 07/24/18 6:35am

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I wonder with the addition of these new chapters by DUANE TUDAHL if there are exclusively new songs & new demos reported really really unknown 2 our knowledge until now?

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Reply #106 posted 07/24/18 6:36am

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udo said:

JorisE73 said:


Lighten up. A paperback is sturdy enough when handled and stored properly.

My conclusion is based on your overdramatic post on protection and sturdiness of paperback vs hardcover.

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Why then does the publisher make a difference between hardcover and paperback?

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Because economics: https://www.economist.com...-paperback

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Why does he release the first edition as a hardcover and this 'expanded' edition as paperback only (!!!).

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BECAUSE THIS EXPANDED EDITION ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO DO A FRIKKING PAPERBACK. HOW MANY FRIKKING TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE EXPLAINED?

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It could be that he does not want to compete against the enormous stacks of unsold hardcovers out there.

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AFAIK this book is more akin to a "print on demand" title than a "print tenthousand copies and hope they'll sell" title (hence the physical differences). Hence the problems with the availability in the first few weeks of its release.

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Reply #107 posted 07/24/18 7:41am

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BartVanHemelen said:

BECAUSE THIS EXPANDED EDITION ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO DO A FRIKKING PAPERBACK.

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If the market is that weak, then I can be weak too and avoid these few extra pages until another update comes along or I have nothing else to do with my money.

Was the market strong a year ago?

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IOW: a plan does not mean it can't be changed. It's the same as uttering the word 'policy' which is just a weak excuse to not logically explain.

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Reply #108 posted 07/24/18 9:17am

NorthC

It's all explained in the link provided by Bart. It's common practice in the book world: first you release the expensive hardback and then the cheaper paperback. It's been like that for years.
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Reply #109 posted 07/24/18 9:22am

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NorthC said:

It's all explained in the link provided by Bart. It's common practice in the book world: first you release the expensive hardback and then the cheaper paperback. It's been like that for years.


But how often is it that the author makes changes to the book's content between hardcover and paperback?

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Reply #110 posted 07/24/18 9:25am

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Se7en said:

NorthC said:

It's all explained in the link provided by Bart. It's common practice in the book world: first you release the expensive hardback and then the cheaper paperback. It's been like that for years.


But how often is it that the author makes changes to the book's content between hardcover and paperback?

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Quite often.

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Reply #111 posted 07/24/18 11:35am

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Kares said:

Se7en said:


But how often is it that the author makes changes to the book's content between hardcover and paperback?

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Quite often.

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This. Especially with non-fiction. Happens all the time. Furthermore, it's been standard practice for as long as I can remember.

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Reply #112 posted 07/24/18 12:54pm

NorthC

I don't really see it happening with fiction. Imagine you write a murder mystery and the paperback version of the book has a different ending from the original version! biggrin
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Reply #113 posted 07/24/18 7:16pm

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Some of you are really showing how unsophisticated you are.

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Reply #114 posted 07/25/18 12:37am

JorisE73

NorthC said:

I don't really see it happening with fiction. Imagine you write a murder mystery and the paperback version of the book has a different ending from the original version! biggrin


There are quite a few expanded editions of The Da Vinci Code, The Hobbit and Lord Of The Rings for example with additional info, and those are just some really popular fiction books.

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Reply #115 posted 07/25/18 4:46am

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NorthC said:

I don't really see it happening with fiction.

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Neil Gaiman has several versions of https://en.wikipedia.org/...rican_Gods , resulting in:

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A special tenth anniversary edition, which includes the "author's preferred text" and 12,000 additional words

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Or how about trying to figure out what the "definitive" version of https://en.wikipedia.org/...the_Galaxy is?

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At least one volume of Belgian comic book series De Onnoembaren has been published in so many different editions (sometimes largely redrawn!) that trying to make sense of it requires an expert.

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Or check out https://www.hp-lexicon.or...s-text-ps/ . That is one page from a whole website dedicated to tracking the differences between all the editions of the Harry Potter books.

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IIRC George RR Martin has fixed some errors in earlier books in the Song of Ice and Fire series, e.g. wrong names, ages, locations, etc.

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Reply #116 posted 07/25/18 6:20am

djThunderfunk

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BartVanHemelen said:

NorthC said:

I don't really see it happening with fiction.

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Neil Gaiman has several versions of https://en.wikipedia.org/...rican_Gods , resulting in:

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A special tenth anniversary edition, which includes the "author's preferred text" and 12,000 additional words

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Or how about trying to figure out what the "definitive" version of https://en.wikipedia.org/...the_Galaxy is?

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At least one volume of Belgian comic book series De Onnoembaren has been published in so many different editions (sometimes largely redrawn!) that trying to make sense of it requires an expert.

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Or check out https://www.hp-lexicon.or...s-text-ps/ . That is one page from a whole website dedicated to tracking the differences between all the editions of the Harry Potter books.

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IIRC George RR Martin has fixed some errors in earlier books in the Song of Ice and Fire series, e.g. wrong names, ages, locations, etc.

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Back to nonfiction... In the days before the internet I used to buy a lot of "reference" books. As a DJ, one of my essentials was the Billboards book of Hits which was of course updated every year. I used to buy a new version every 2 or 3 years.

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Reply #117 posted 07/25/18 6:41am

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NorthC said:

It's all explained in the link provided by Bart. It's common practice in the book world: first you release the expensive hardback and then the cheaper paperback. It's been like that for years.

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This is not a simple reprint.

It is an updated edition.

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Reply #118 posted 07/25/18 7:35am

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Steve Parke's Picturing Prince was first released in the UK, hardcover, April 6, 2017. 5 months later it was released in the US, hardcover, on September 5, 2017.... with "16 Pages of new material".

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Reply #119 posted 07/25/18 7:52am

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djThunderfunk said:

Steve Parke's Picturing Prince was first released in the UK, hardcover, April 6, 2017. 5 months later it was released in the US, hardcover, on September 5, 2017.... with "16 Pages of new material".

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That does not make the 'policy' less stupid.

It lowers standards and does not improve choice.

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