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Reply #60 posted 07/12/18 3:28pm

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Once again a certain section of the Prince contingent reacts unreasonable.

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Reply #61 posted 07/12/18 5:11pm

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I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff. I don't think it would give away the whole book, but let us in on a good story that has been added. Just to cocktease a few folks.

On another note, I do hope the sessions that enveloped ATWIAD stuff (that wasn't covered in the PR book) and Parade are covered in detail by someone. My God, that era, plus 1987-1989. Rich.

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Reply #62 posted 07/12/18 9:18pm

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I think Duane's work is monumental and extremely impressive. Instead of complaining about new information being revealed, we should all be very thankful for his efforts to document Prince's recordings! biggrin

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Reply #63 posted 07/12/18 9:27pm

ForceofNature

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It just really suxs that we now have to buy the updated edition, not even a year later. $$

[Edited 7/11/18 5:38am]

Nobody "has" to buy anything though. I, for, one, am glad that an already great Prince book will be even better with more information in it - and I will happily buy the new version when it comes out.

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Reply #64 posted 07/13/18 12:05pm

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i will surely buy the updated version...

one suggestion...how about a different or modified cover? the former comic book collector in me would love to see a 'sketch' cover on the second printing...

also, a question...will the updates be easily identifiable, or are they just blended into the existing text where they fit? not that i wouldn't enjoy re-reading the entire book, but for quick reference on initial perusal...are they indexed as updates at all?

thanks for all your work, duane. i enjoyed the book and look forward to the updates.

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Reply #65 posted 07/13/18 3:23pm

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I complained about the paperback (even expanded) costing the same as the hardcover, and that does still seem a bit strange to me, but the idea that Duane is somehow working people over on this confuses me. What exactly did people want him to do? He didn't rush the first edition without doing proper research--he'd worked on it for years, and shared some portions of the book's information here for years. It's the product of a lot of work. Now, as he's explained, other information and interviews have become available--what did you want done with it? Did you want Duane to just go "Oh well, I've done the Purple Rain book--so I just won't ask anything else about that period, and if someone says something relating to 1983 and 1984 I'll just go "Lalalalalalala I can't hear you"--and if I accidentally learn something, I'll keep it to myself for several years instead of putting it into the paperback edition that it's time to release anyway."



Including the new information in the new edition is the right thing to do. And, since it's incorporated throughout the book, that means rewriting portions, reformatting (I assume) and higher production costs than just reprinting the same book again. I still would like it to cost a bit less than the original, but I doubt that's really on Duane.

As to disrepecting people--nothing Duane's said on here even begins to resemble disrespect.



Exactly. Some of these folks are softer than a wet newspaper.
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Reply #66 posted 07/18/18 3:56am

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I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

Short of that, a PDF of the new content would be appreciated.

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Reply #67 posted 07/20/18 1:39am

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TrivialPursuit said:

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff.

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

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Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

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Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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e27c2de4c71e3887a97a32855985480e-prev.jpg

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[Edited 7/20/18 2:24am]

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Reply #68 posted 07/20/18 2:01am

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Se7en said:

I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

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Yeah sure, rewriting parts of the book so it now expands with 50 pages (an increase of more than 10%!) is a "cash grab".

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Seriously, have you guys not noticed the abundance of interviews with people from that era about that era over the past year? Be glad that the paperback is updated instead of it remaining outdated.

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That said, it seems to me that it's inevitable that these kind of books will be out of date for years to come. Who knows what the contents of Prince's vault will reveal. You'd almost need a subscription: imagine a binder full of lose pages, each representing a single day. New info comes out? Publish a new version of that page or even a completely new page (in case of a previously unknown date), which people can obtain to update their binders. Except at that point you're kinda putting out a paper version of a website...

.

A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

.

In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

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And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

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[Edited 7/20/18 2:02am]

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Reply #69 posted 07/20/18 2:05am

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TrevorAyer said:

the original is a great book .. the market seems to do the bonus content with everything ... music .. video games .. books ... can't really blame duane for playing the game

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Prince fans have this idiotic idea that there's riches to be found in publishing specialist books about Prince. Seriously, where does this come from?

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Reply #70 posted 07/20/18 1:00pm

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It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice. confused

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out. neutral

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Reply #71 posted 07/20/18 1:01pm

scififilmnerd

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madhouseman said:

TrevorAyer said:

So a new book every 2 years ... what’s next ... 85-86 I hope

That is what I'm hoping! Working hard on trying to get to that schedule.

Sounds good. Looking forward to it. biggrin

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Reply #72 posted 07/20/18 1:09pm

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....

[Edited 7/20/18 13:13pm]

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Reply #73 posted 07/20/18 1:21pm

darkroman

BartVanHemelen said:

Se7en said:

I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

.

Yeah sure, rewriting parts of the book so it now expands with 50 pages (an increase of more than 10%!) is a "cash grab".

.

Seriously, have you guys not noticed the abundance of interviews with people from that era about that era over the past year? Be glad that the paperback is updated instead of it remaining outdated.

.

That said, it seems to me that it's inevitable that these kind of books will be out of date for years to come. Who knows what the contents of Prince's vault will reveal. You'd almost need a subscription: imagine a binder full of lose pages, each representing a single day. New info comes out? Publish a new version of that page or even a completely new page (in case of a previously unknown date), which people can obtain to update their binders. Except at that point you're kinda putting out a paper version of a website...

.

A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

.

This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

.

In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

.

And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

.

[Edited 7/20/18 2:02am]



In fact what this shows is that this book was released way too prematurely with lazy research that was not far-reaching enough to do a thorough job.

This has become such a mess and it only covers one era out of FIVE decades.

This should have never have been committed to paper in this digital age.

I'm happy to stick with PrinceVault.com as at least that is indexed, searchable and up-to-date.


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Reply #74 posted 07/20/18 2:48pm

TrevorAyer

BartVanHemelen said:



TrevorAyer said:


the original is a great book .. the market seems to do the bonus content with everything ... music .. video games .. books ... can't really blame duane for playing the game



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Prince fans have this idiotic idea that there's riches to be found in publishing specialist books about Prince. Seriously, where does this come from?


Um wut? Did u just quote me, then put words in my mouth and insult me at the same time? Sure looks like it .. I don’t see riches related to even prince most popular output ... my comment simply suggests that there is nothing abnormal about a re issue with bonus material ... eye usually enjoy your bitchyness .. when it is on point
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Reply #75 posted 07/20/18 3:25pm

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darkroman said:



In fact what this shows is that this book was released way too prematurely with lazy research that was not far-reaching enough to do a thorough job.

This has become such a mess and it only covers one era out of FIVE decades.

This should have never have been committed to paper in this digital age.

I'm happy to stick with PrinceVault.com as at least that is indexed, searchable and up-to-date.


neutral


Wow! doh!

Prematurely? Lazy research? He worked on and researched the book for decades.

Have you seen how long it is? If it covered 5 decades instead of one era do you know how long it would be?

Some of us are very happy this was committed to paper, regardless of the digital age.

I like PrinceVault, too. So does Duane. However, it does not provide what you mention, weaved into interviews to provide a compelling narrative. It's just facts.

It seems pretty clear you haven't read the book, so, if you don't have it, why you mad at the update?

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Reply #76 posted 07/20/18 4:04pm

thisisreece

BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff.

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

.

Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

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Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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e27c2de4c71e3887a97a32855985480e-prev.jpg

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[Edited 7/20/18 2:24am]

Now that is a teaser. Was it previously known that Prince recorded a track called 'The Dawn' during this era or is this entirely new information?

The instrumental sounds really interesting. I hope there's more treasures like this in the book, and importantly, Prince's vault!

Hundalasiliah!
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Reply #77 posted 07/20/18 4:19pm

ForceofNature

darkroman said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

.

In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

.

And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

.

[Edited 7/20/18 2:02am]



In fact what this shows is that this book was released way too prematurely with lazy research that was not far-reaching enough to do a thorough job.

This has become such a mess and it only covers one era out of FIVE decades.

This should have never have been committed to paper in this digital age.

I'm happy to stick with PrinceVault.com as at least that is indexed, searchable and up-to-date.


neutral

You are being a tad overdramatic here though to be honest, I would hardly describe a great and well-researched book getting an update with new information as "such as a mess". The original is already a fantastic and well-researched book with cool interviews and the new one will have even more cool information in it.

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Reply #78 posted 07/20/18 10:25pm

BartVanHemelen

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thisisreece said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

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Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

.

Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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e27c2de4c71e3887a97a32855985480e-prev.jpg

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[Edited 7/20/18 2:24am]

Now that is a teaser. Was it previously known that Prince recorded a track called 'The Dawn' during this era or is this entirely new information?

The instrumental sounds really interesting. I hope there's more treasures like this in the book, and importantly, Prince's vault!

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Apparently this is the instrumental previously known as "A Place In Heaven" (which isn't related to the Dream Factory song).

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Reply #79 posted 07/21/18 11:31pm

databank

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BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff.

.

He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

.

Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

.

Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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e27c2de4c71e3887a97a32855985480e-prev.jpg

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[Edited 7/20/18 2:24am]

Little typo there (A Question Of U instead of THE Question Of U)

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Reply #80 posted 07/21/18 11:34pm

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scififilmnerd said:

It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice. confused

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out. neutral

I'm pretty sure if you orgnote Duane about such, unavoidable little errors, he will correct them for the book's next print.

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I'm surprised that you, of all people, don't want to buy the book again. You're usually so devoted to tiny details.

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Reply #81 posted 07/21/18 11:51pm

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amazon.de did not show the expanded edition to me.

bol.com did not show the expanded edition to me.

so where can I get this?

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Reply #82 posted 07/21/18 11:53pm

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And why is there no hardcover in the special offer?

It is a book. Not a calendar.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #83 posted 07/22/18 12:10am

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EddieC said:

Maybe they don't know madhouseman is Duane, so they didn't read it.

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Madhouseman is the person that writes under each message:

My book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2017. (https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538105497/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8) or go to https://www.facebook.com/...s/10915961

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Reply #84 posted 07/22/18 12:45am

madhouseman

scififilmnerd said:

It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice. confused

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out. neutral

If you noticed any mistakes, please let me know. I'm doing the final corrections right now for the paperback and want to make sure to make any last minute adjustments.


Thank you very much and I'm glad you enjoyed the book.

My book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2017. (https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538105497/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8) or go to https://www.facebook.com/...s/10915961
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Reply #85 posted 07/22/18 12:50am

madhouseman

databank said:

Little typo there (A Question Of U instead of THE Question Of U)

Great catch! This is from the early uncorrected, proof that I am going through now, so it is great to find these things.

Thanx for the help!

(if you see any tweaks from the original book, let me know and I'll make sure they are adjusted as well).

My book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2017. (https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538105497/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8) or go to https://www.facebook.com/...s/10915961
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Reply #86 posted 07/22/18 3:03am

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madhouseman said:

databank said:

Little typo there (A Question Of U instead of THE Question Of U)

Great catch! This is from the early uncorrected, proof that I am going through now, so it is great to find these things.

Thanx for the help!

(if you see any tweaks from the original book, let me know and I'll make sure they are adjusted as well).

Anytime wink

I don't remember any issue with the original book. If I notice something on the update when I reread it I'll sure let you know. I fear you'll have to keep updating those books every once in a while anyway.

Now that I think of it though, I think you wrote somewhere in the original that only soundchecks/rehearsals for which the exact date was known were listed, which oddly left things such as the upcoming Intimate Moments/Piano & A Microphone 1983 release out of the book.

Maybe for those undated yet circulating recordings that you wouldn't know where to put in the chronology, some sort of an appendix would be a nice addition. Those unspecifically dated recordings were, I believe, the only thing "missing" from the book.

Thanks for the great work, anyway hug

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Reply #87 posted 07/22/18 3:19am

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udo said:

amazon.de did not show the expanded edition to me.

bol.com did not show the expanded edition to me.

so where can I get this?

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There's a fucking link IN THE VERY FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD.

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Reply #88 posted 07/22/18 3:21am

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udo said:

And why is there no hardcover in the special offer?

It is a book. Not a calendar.

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How about you try READING what Duane has posted. He literally explained it all in his post.

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Reply #89 posted 07/22/18 3:25am

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databank said:

I fear you'll have to keep updating those books every once in a while anyway.

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Except that this expanded edition came about because there was going to be a paperback edition.

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