Once again a certain section of the Prince contingent reacts unreasonable.

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff. I don't think it would give away the whole book, but let us in on a good story that has been added. Just to cocktease a few folks.

On another note, I do hope the sessions that enveloped ATWIAD stuff (that wasn't covered in the PR book) and Parade are covered in detail by someone. My God, that era, plus 1987-1989. Rich.

I think Duane's work is monumental and extremely impressive. Instead of complaining about new information being revealed, we should all be very thankful for his efforts to document Prince's recordings!

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PennyPurple said:

It just really suxs that we now have to buy the updated edition, not even a year later. $$

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Nobody "has" to buy anything though. I, for, one, am glad that an already great Prince book will be even better with more information in it - and I will happily buy the new version when it comes out.

i will surely buy the updated version...

one suggestion...how about a different or modified cover? the former comic book collector in me would love to see a 'sketch' cover on the second printing...

also, a question...will the updates be easily identifiable, or are they just blended into the existing text where they fit? not that i wouldn't enjoy re-reading the entire book, but for quick reference on initial perusal...are they indexed as updates at all?

thanks for all your work, duane. i enjoyed the book and look forward to the updates.

EddieC said:

I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

Short of that, a PDF of the new content would be appreciated.

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TrivialPursuit said:

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff.

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

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Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

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Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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Se7en said:

I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

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Yeah sure, rewriting parts of the book so it now expands with 50 pages (an increase of more than 10%!) is a "cash grab".

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Seriously, have you guys not noticed the abundance of interviews with people from that era about that era over the past year? Be glad that the paperback is updated instead of it remaining outdated.

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That said, it seems to me that it's inevitable that these kind of books will be out of date for years to come. Who knows what the contents of Prince's vault will reveal. You'd almost need a subscription: imagine a binder full of lose pages, each representing a single day. New info comes out? Publish a new version of that page or even a completely new page (in case of a previously unknown date), which people can obtain to update their binders. Except at that point you're kinda putting out a paper version of a website...

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A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

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In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

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And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

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TrevorAyer said:

the original is a great book .. the market seems to do the bonus content with everything ... music .. video games .. books ... can't really blame duane for playing the game

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Prince fans have this idiotic idea that there's riches to be found in publishing specialist books about Prince. Seriously, where does this come from?

It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice.

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out.

madhouseman said:

TrevorAyer said:

So a new book every 2 years ... what’s next ... 85-86 I hope

That is what I'm hoping! Working hard on trying to get to that schedule.

Sounds good. Looking forward to it.

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BartVanHemelen said:

Se7en said:

I just got the hardcover for Fathers Day, haven't even had time to crack it open yet . . . so when I read that there was already a NEW one coming out – one year after the first one – needless to say I was more than disappointed.

It feels like a cash grab, for sure, being done so soon after the first book.

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Yeah sure, rewriting parts of the book so it now expands with 50 pages (an increase of more than 10%!) is a "cash grab".

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Seriously, have you guys not noticed the abundance of interviews with people from that era about that era over the past year? Be glad that the paperback is updated instead of it remaining outdated.

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That said, it seems to me that it's inevitable that these kind of books will be out of date for years to come. Who knows what the contents of Prince's vault will reveal. You'd almost need a subscription: imagine a binder full of lose pages, each representing a single day. New info comes out? Publish a new version of that page or even a completely new page (in case of a previously unknown date), which people can obtain to update their binders. Except at that point you're kinda putting out a paper version of a website...

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A discount for those who've already bought it is a nice idea - but what might also be nice is to have a Volume 2 run of these books printed. Something that would complement the first book on a shelf, also hardcover, same physical height. Its contents would be only the new stuff. If even more stuff is found later, then do a Volume 3.

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

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In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

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And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

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In fact what this shows is that this book was released way too prematurely with lazy research that was not far-reaching enough to do a thorough job.

This has become such a mess and it only covers one era out of FIVE decades.

This should have never have been committed to paper in this digital age.

I'm happy to stick with PrinceVault.com as at least that is indexed, searchable and up-to-date.

BartVanHemelen said:

darkroman said:

In fact what this shows is that this book was released way too prematurely with lazy research that was not far-reaching enough to do a thorough job.

This has become such a mess and it only covers one era out of FIVE decades.

This should have never have been committed to paper in this digital age.

I'm happy to stick with PrinceVault.com as at least that is indexed, searchable and up-to-date.

Wow!

Prematurely? Lazy research? He worked on and researched the book for decades.

Have you seen how long it is? If it covered 5 decades instead of one era do you know how long it would be?

Some of us are very happy this was committed to paper, regardless of the digital age.

I like PrinceVault, too. So does Duane. However, it does not provide what you mention, weaved into interviews to provide a compelling narrative. It's just facts.

It seems pretty clear you haven't read the book, so, if you don't have it, why you mad at the update?

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BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff.

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

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Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

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Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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Now that is a teaser. Was it previously known that Prince recorded a track called 'The Dawn' during this era or is this entirely new information?

The instrumental sounds really interesting. I hope there's more treasures like this in the book, and importantly, Prince's vault!

darkroman said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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This is an incredibly bad idea. You'd end up with an impossible puzzle of sorts, with one book contradicting another. You'd need to keep three books in print. The third book would mostly be an unwieldy index that is impossible to navigate and frustrating to use. People would need to buy three books, with two of them being outdated to some degree.

.

In a way, Duane's work would be best as a website or a living ebook of sorts, with a subscription model where you'd pay something like $1/month for access. Any changes he does (other than fixing typos) would be covered in "release notes", so you'd know that for instance the entry for date X was updated with a new quote from person Y, or that there's a completely new entry for date Z. But then you run into the problem where one month might see a lot of updates (because he did a very informative interview with a previously silent source) whereas others might feature almost nothing.

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And the major problem with such a website: it isn't a book. And like it or not, but a book does open doors, does seem more professional, does seem more like an event.

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In fact what this shows is that this book was released way too prematurely with lazy research that was not far-reaching enough to do a thorough job.

This has become such a mess and it only covers one era out of FIVE decades.

This should have never have been committed to paper in this digital age.

I'm happy to stick with PrinceVault.com as at least that is indexed, searchable and up-to-date.

You are being a tad overdramatic here though to be honest, I would hardly describe a great and well-researched book getting an update with new information as "such as a mess". The original is already a fantastic and well-researched book with cool interviews and the new one will have even more cool information in it.

thisisreece said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

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Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

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Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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Now that is a teaser. Was it previously known that Prince recorded a track called 'The Dawn' during this era or is this entirely new information?

The instrumental sounds really interesting. I hope there's more treasures like this in the book, and importantly, Prince's vault!

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Apparently this is the instrumental previously known as "A Place In Heaven" (which isn't related to the Dream Factory song).

BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I think it might cool some people's jets if Duane gave us a few examples of the new stuff.

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He posted a completely new entry with details about a previously unknown session in the Facebook group for the book a couple of hours ago.

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Here's the page: https://we.tl/tNjTCD1TzO . (Don't have access to image hosting sites right now, so this WeTransfer link will need to do for now.)

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Let's see if this works (click on the image to see it full size):

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[Edited 7/20/18 2:24am]

Little typo there (A Question Of U instead of THE Question Of U)

scififilmnerd said:

It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice.

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out.

I'm pretty sure if you orgnote Duane about such, unavoidable little errors, he will correct them for the book's next print.

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I'm surprised that you, of all people, don't want to buy the book again. You're usually so devoted to tiny details.

amazon.de did not show the expanded edition to me.

bol.com did not show the expanded edition to me.

so where can I get this?

And why is there no hardcover in the special offer?

It is a book. Not a calendar.

EddieC said:

Maybe they don't know madhouseman is Duane, so they didn't read it.

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Madhouseman is the person that writes under each message:

My book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2017. (https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538105497/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8) or go to https://www.facebook.com/...s/10915961

scififilmnerd said:

It hasn't been that long since I read and enjoyed the book, and I did spot a couple of mistakes (like listing Vanity 6: Sex Shooter#2 as an edit of #1 even though it features different music from the first version), but I don't want to pay for the book again, much less read it again in it's entirety to figure out what is new. No, a list of updates would suffice.

If I had known there would be an updated edition, I would have waited to buy the book until that came out.

If you noticed any mistakes, please let me know. I'm doing the final corrections right now for the paperback and want to make sure to make any last minute adjustments.

Thank you very much and I'm glad you enjoyed the book.

databank said:

Little typo there (A Question Of U instead of THE Question Of U)

Great catch! This is from the early uncorrected, proof that I am going through now, so it is great to find these things.

Thanx for the help!

(if you see any tweaks from the original book, let me know and I'll make sure they are adjusted as well).

madhouseman said:

databank said:

Little typo there (A Question Of U instead of THE Question Of U)

Great catch! This is from the early uncorrected, proof that I am going through now, so it is great to find these things.

Thanx for the help!

(if you see any tweaks from the original book, let me know and I'll make sure they are adjusted as well).

Anytime

I don't remember any issue with the original book. If I notice something on the update when I reread it I'll sure let you know. I fear you'll have to keep updating those books every once in a while anyway.

Now that I think of it though, I think you wrote somewhere in the original that only soundchecks/rehearsals for which the exact date was known were listed, which oddly left things such as the upcoming Intimate Moments/Piano & A Microphone 1983 release out of the book.

Maybe for those undated yet circulating recordings that you wouldn't know where to put in the chronology, some sort of an appendix would be a nice addition. Those unspecifically dated recordings were, I believe, the only thing "missing" from the book.

Thanks for the great work, anyway

udo said:

amazon.de did not show the expanded edition to me.

bol.com did not show the expanded edition to me.

so where can I get this?

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There's a fucking link IN THE VERY FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD.

udo said:

And why is there no hardcover in the special offer?

It is a book. Not a calendar.

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How about you try READING what Duane has posted. He literally explained it all in his post.

databank said:

I fear you'll have to keep updating those books every once in a while anyway.

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Except that this expanded edition came about because there was going to be a paperback edition.