feeluupp said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I fucking love this! It steps out of the norm of "the vault" or "unreleased outtakes" sort of stuff, and lets us really hear Prince at a piano, singing, and just being Prince. He said he was music. And it is things like this which keep that claim fully intact. The fact that he was still able to sit and do this at the end of his life helps bookend a life and career that was fully and 100% realized through the art of music.

HAHAHAHA

They are re releasing a boot... There's no essence behind this release...

That's how you see it, then ok. But this boot was leaked. It was fuzzy, a copy of a copy of a copy. The one released is way better sound quality. That alone is worth it. Prince used to talk about cleaning up the black market, then he never tried to do it again. The fact that whoever is putting out official versions of these songs we love so much (Moonbeam Levels, Computer Blue, Possessed, etc) is what I want. People can have boots all day and debate over which one is a cleaner copy, but all that falls to the wayside when they pull out the original tape and release it.

so does the oiginal bootleggers tape sound BETTER than WB???

TrivialPursuit said:

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Feeling kind of fortunate. I had this boot, but deleted it as i don't keep many with poor sound quality. Bit of a result for me really. Also people moaning about the length of it at 35 mins, See Dirty Mind and Controversy. I prefer my albums 20 minutes a side, as it used to be routinely. And Prince himself brought that back in later years with shorter albums. I don't mind.

This is a mind boggling release.

Considering what could be released. Considering the sheer volume of what they have at their disposal. Of course officially this has never been heard. But lets be real hear - we are their main market. The people to make money off of. So they need to work out and pay attention to what we want and what we already ahve access to. I know a bootleg is just that, but the reality is this fan base is not going to grow through releases like this, so just give the existing fan base what they want. It serves no purpose other than to tick the box. I would say that this is meaningful to about only 5% of his hardcore fans.

Off the abck of the wonderful surprise that was Nothing Compares 2 U, we all thought they were going to deliver goods we wanted, but this is just a reminder that maybe they dont know what the fuck they are doing.

Ah well. Here's hoping the tidal release in 2019 is something great. My guess is it will be the Piano & A Microphone album - which i will be delighted with if so.

But please warners & the estate grace us with some actual cuts - not just a piano doodle.

luvsexy4all said:

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Maybe. Maybe there was a will. And it stated that it would be known that there was no will.

but really there was a 100 year plan.

of new prince releasees.

All which toiled with the emotions and hopes of his fans. just as he had for years.

that would defintely be a very prince thing to do.

luvsexy4all said:

Silvertongue7 said:

Phishanga said: I hadn’t heard Love and Sex, Electric Intercourse, Father’s Song, Possessed 84 or We Can Fuck and they managed to release them. I didn’t bitch because I already had Wonderful Ass or The Dance Electric. That was my fault. It just this particular choice. It is underwhelming (in my opinion) in every way: 35 minutes, poor sound, un interesting track list. I can’t see myself listening to this two weeks after its release, and I listen to Prince most days. And I can’t see any casual Prince fans even bothering with it. So who is the target audience for this?

i dont see casual or non-fans buying this.....proving he is'nt selllable...dumbasses...why isnt this coupled with the final atlanta show???????

...and you don't see the connection with this release?!? It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release. I mean shit. The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).

Super obvious. And smart.

ThirdStrike said:

luvsexy4all said:

i dont see casual or non-fans buying this.....proving he is'nt selllable...dumbasses...why isnt this coupled with the final atlanta show???????

...and you don't see the connection with this release?!? It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release. I mean shit. The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).

Super obvious. And smart.

so wb is intentionally trying to f with tidal? people would more likely buy the atlanta show

CrozzaUK said:

This is a mind boggling release.

Considering what could be released. Considering the sheer volume of what they have at their disposal. Of course officially this has never been heard. But lets be real hear - we are their main market. The people to make money off of. So they need to work out and pay attention to what we want and what we already ahve access to. I know a bootleg is just that, but the reality is this fan base is not going to grow through releases like this, so just give the existing fan base what they want. It serves no purpose other than to tick the box. I would say that this is meaningful to about only 5% of his hardcore fans.

Off the abck of the wonderful surprise that was Nothing Compares 2 U, we all thought they were going to deliver goods we wanted, but this is just a reminder that maybe they dont know what the fuck they are doing.

Ah well. Here's hoping the tidal release in 2019 is something great. My guess is it will be the Piano & A Microphone album - which i will be delighted with if so.

But please warners & the estate grace us with some actual cuts - not just a piano doodle.

Ridiculous. What's funny to me is that the argument in the name of most "hardcore" fans is that those making the decisions will only make those that would generate the most revenue. That they'll make the popular choice in releasing stuff to please the moderate to casual fans, and leave us hardcore fans out. Then, they make a choice that goes in the COMPLETELY opposite direction, and people complain about wanting stuff they don't already (illegally) have. It's nuts. But not unexpected around here these days.

End of the day? I'm cool! I don't have this already. It'll be new to me come September, so I'm good. And before you ask, I've been a hardcore for over 35 years.

Strike

luvsexy4all said:

ThirdStrike said:

...and you don't see the connection with this release?!? It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release. I mean shit. The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).

Super obvious. And smart.

so wb is intentionally trying to f with tidal? people would more likely buy the atlanta show

Respectfully disagree. Most casual fans associate Prince with the "Purple Rain" days. The look, the sound. Most iconic images of Prince are centered around this time. Look at what eras the estate is releasing merchandise wise (most "PR" but goes backwards from there). It's what most people connect Prince with. So an album which was recorded around that particular time would, IMO, generate more interest. I agree though. I want both. it'd be cool to officially bookend his career like that. But I truly believe it's a dick measuring contest at this point, absolutely.

shockadelica777 said:

rogifan said:

I think it’s stupid to include a song with the title cold coffee and cocaine. But I also thought it was stupid to include WCF and WA on the Purple Release. Is Troy the final sign off on this stuff or does WB do whatever it wants?

So, if your way you would have excluded those two songs off that set?!?!? That's insane! Those are the two best cuts...by far! Wait, I do VERY much love "Love & Sex" though too...

sonshine said:

shockadelica777 said:

I don't understand the collective saltiness here.

Put yourselves in the shoes of Troy Carter, WB, and anyone else associated with these projects. They came across this rehearsal. Let's assume the quality is pretty good. Look at the tracklist. There's a much better than average chance that Mr. Carter, Estate reps and WB reps had NEVER heard the shitty quality boot that's been circulating for years.

How should they react? Should they immediately consult PrinceVault to see if/when/how its been bootlegged? Or should they get excited about finding a potentially complete rehearsal of important songs - transcendent songs that weren't even released yet?

Has this release been ciruculating amongst the hardcore fans for years now? Yes.

(FWIW I think I have that boot on cassette, vinyl, CD and .mp3. BFD. It's interesting from a creative and completist POV...but hard to listen to b/c of the quality).

Does WB or the Estate have any responsibilty to service *us* specifically and give *us* Vault material that's "fresh" "new" "exciting" "dynamic"? Of course not. They have a responsibility to enhance and protect the legacy. If we had never heard this boot, I have a feeling the reaction would be different. I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement to go around.

I, for one, am excited to get this collection in quality that lends itself to repeat listening - and on physical formats.

Perspective people....perspective.

+1

EXCELLENT post!

the issue with this is that it is not going to sell well.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the issue with this is that it is not going to sell well.

Give it a chance

luv4u said:

Silvertongue7 said:

luv4u said:

Give it a chance

I think WBR and the estate should have given it a chance. By releasing something else.

I think WBR and the estate should have given it a chance. By releasing it as an extra with something else

ThirdStrike said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

databank said:

To be honest I've always though it was one of the best songs title ever. Regardless of the lyrics, those few words alone are so evocative and visual, you can easily picture a lonely man in his 40's, doing a line with a cup of cold coffee on the table, at 5AM, in the darkness of a jazz bar, after being dumped by a girl, losing his job and realizing his whole life is a mess

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To be honest I'd say let's not be too conservative, shall we? Between those people who want to censor rape lines from songs and those others who want drugs references to remain in the vault, it feels like Tipper Gore has taken control of what used to be a community of freaks and hippies. Songs aren't supposed to be moral, and they're works of fiction that aren't supposed to always convey their author's personal opinion or life experiences.

Still it is highly unlikely that Prince would have allowed a song with that title to be released considering his clean living ways. Any references to drugs were usually disguised (Anna Stesia?). I also found it tactless to release such a song title soon after his death considering the supposed circumstances, as it potentially builds on the assumption in the public mind that he was on drugs.

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Regardless, I agree with you: it makes no sense to read anything into it and come-up with illuminati nonsense about a WB conspiracy. People have waaaaaay too much imagination.

Who said anything about Illiminati? Not me, but before you blindly accept the WB/Media version I advise you to read the full police report and look at the massive gaps in proper procedure and evidence gathering and ask yourself if that really can rule out foul play. Hell, even vital evidence such as his computer was left in PP to be tampered with after his death and 3 of the main people around him refused to give police statements. No will was found despite Mayte saying he had one when they were together. Now WB can exploit the vault to their hearts content with no difficult star to interfere and stop them. Don't you think that begs a lot of questions?

I apologize if I sounded harsh.

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I don't know anything about those police reports and I didn't follow that investigation. There may or there may be not be suspicious things, I can't argue with you on the specifics and you might entirely be right.

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To be perfectly honest, thanks to the internet I am exposed daily to people expressing opinions about finding suspiscious things about everything from politics to celebrities' deaths to the Moon landing and Nasa activites to vaccination and scientific research to terrorist attacks and so on, and everyone seems to have many solid arguments but when you dig a little it usually leads nowhere. So my default mode is "if it's not from a journalist, a professional investigator, an official source or an individual I have solid reasons to believe reliable, it has 99% chances to be fake". I realize I have a bias but when 99% of people's theories are nonsense, and they are, you can't waste your time looking for the 1% that are right. However in the case you'd happen to be in that 1%, I would be wrong to dismiss you like that, I'll admit it.

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Regardless, my point is that there is a difference between finding elements that are suspiscious and beg a lot of questions, as it appears you have, and, on that basis, throwing extremely serious accusations, as you seem to be doing. Accusing by name Warner Bros as a company, and by extension its management, or any individual for that matter, of tampering with a murder investigation, depriving petential heirs of their legitimate inheritance and possibly even being involved in the death of an individual, is extremely serious (I'm pretty sure you could be sued for defamation, by the way), and without solid evidence of guilt (as opposed to the conviction that some things are suspiscious), I find it quite inappropriate to go and make such accusations on a public message board. If you believe an investigation needs to be made, you should go ask the police to reopen the case or convince a serious investigation journalist to investigate with professional methods, but I don't believe the internet is the place for this. It goes against my core conception of democracy, justice and freedom of speech. You may, however, disagree.

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This being said, even if you are 100% right and your accusations are all accurate, there is still one little big problem: assuming that WB has chosen this recording, out of all the recordings available in the vault, only because the title of one song vaguely and conveniently corroborates the narrative they wish to maintain, to be the first proper collection of posthumous material. Now I'm going to be harsh on purpose and I apologize again, but this is madness. This narrative is so unlikely, so far-fetched, so extravagant, so paranoid that it annihilates the credibility of any other claim you may make regarding this death investigation and anything connected to it. So I'm sorry, but no, no, and no.

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Peace

ThirdStrike said:

rogifan said:

ThirdStrike said:

rogifan said:

I think it’s stupid to include a song with the title cold coffee and cocaine. But I also thought it was stupid to include WCF and WA on the Purple Release. Is Troy the final sign off on this stuff or does WB do whatever it wants?

So, if your way you would have excluded those two songs off that set?!?!? That's insane! Those are the two best cuts...by far! Wait, I do VERY much love "Love & Sex" though too...

Yes. What does WCF have to do with Purple Rain anyway? Besides y’all got the boots so what do you care.

If Mary Don't you Weep is in a controversial spike lee movie in August..(in the closing credits) maybe that will generate more interest. I can only hope that Lee's movie is good and gets some hype, for both his and P's sake.

databank said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Who said anything about Illiminati? Not me, but before you blindly accept the WB/Media version I advise you to read the full police report and look at the massive gaps in proper procedure and evidence gathering and ask yourself if that really can rule out foul play. Hell, even vital evidence such as his computer was left in PP to be tampered with after his death and 3 of the main people around him refused to give police statements. No will was found despite Mayte saying he had one when they were together. Now WB can exploit the vault to their hearts content with no difficult star to interfere and stop them. Don't you think that begs a lot of questions?

I apologize if I sounded harsh.

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I don't know anything about those police reports and I didn't follow that investigation. There may or there may be not be suspicious things, I can't argue with you on the specifics and you might entirely be right.

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To be perfectly honest, thanks to the internet I am exposed daily to people expressing opinions about finding suspiscious things about everything from politics to celebrities' deaths to the Moon landing and Nasa activites to vaccination and scientific research to terrorist attacks and so on, and everyone seems to have many solid arguments but when you dig a little it usually leads nowhere. So my default mode is "if it's not from a journalist, a professional investigator, an official source or an individual I have solid reasons to believe reliable, it has 99% chances to be fake". I realize I have a bias but when 99% of people's theories are nonsense, and they are, you can't waste your time looking for the 1% that are right. However in the case you'd happen to be in that 1%, I would be wrong to dismiss you like that, I'll admit it.

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Regardless, my point is that there is a difference between finding elements that are suspiscious and beg a lot of questions, as it appears you have, and, on that basis, throwing extremely serious accusations, as you seem to be doing. Accusing by name Warner Bros as a company, and by extension its management, or any individual for that matter, of tampering with a murder investigation, depriving petential heirs of their legitimate inheritance and possibly even being involved in the death of an individual, is extremely serious (I'm pretty sure you could be sued for defamation, by the way), and without solid evidence of guilt (as opposed to the conviction that some things are suspiscious), I find it quite inappropriate to go and make such accusations on a public message board. If you believe an investigation needs to be made, you should go ask the police to reopen the case or convince a serious investigation journalist to investigate with professional methods, but I don't believe the internet is the place for this. It goes against my core conception of democracy, justice and freedom of speech. You may, however, disagree.

?!?! THE INTERNET ISN'T THE PLACE FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE?! WHERE EXACTLY DO YOU SUGGEST IS THEN? I find that argument totally illogical.

This being said, even if you are 100% right and your accusations are all accurate, there is still one

little big problem: assuming that WB has chosen this recording, out of all the recordings available in the vault, only because the title of one song vaguely and conveniently corroborates the narrative they wish to maintain, to be the first proper collection of posthumous material. Now I'm going to be harsh on purpose and I apologize again, but this is madness. This narrative is so unlikely, so far-fetched, so extravagant, so paranoid that it annihilates the credibility of any other claim you may make regarding this death investigation and anything connected to it. So I'm sorry, but no, no, and no.

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Peace

Not at all. Just because you don't agree with this point does not invalidate the whole argument. Do you only listen to people you 100% agree with in life?

Now go and read the police report before you make any blind assumptions about what happened!!!

[Edited 6/7/18 14:10pm]

luv4u said:

This won't sell at all... I bet Rodserling will pop up when it is released and cry about the sales figures... But honestly, this won't surpass more than 70,000 copies in the U.S.

Initially after hearing the news of this release, I was a bit bummed. Then I had a friend send me the Intimate Moments bootleg to compare sound quality, and I was blown away! Comparing the 2 versions of "Mary" was like listening through a wall on the bootleg, then going around the wall and hearing the new official version. Don't get me wrong, it's still not pristine; there is a bit of hiss and warbling. But for a 35-year old cassette, it's about as clear as you can get. Certainly MILES better than the bootleg!

Then I thought, I adore listening to Prince on piano, and One Nite Alone... is one of my favorite discs. How is this much different? Not much.

As far as the length goes, yeah, 35 minutes is kinda short, and a few songs are medley snippets. But so what? This is an old-school style release, and LPs usually top out at 45 minutes, anyway. Maybe I'm just too easy to please, but I'm happy I pre-ordered the CD.