diapsid said:

jasminejoey said:

I would think this has to be the greatest fuck-up in the history of Prince releases. Astounded that WB and the estate would have the balls to do this on his birthday!

They just re releasing an existing boot that was just a rehearsal... Hahahha they really think us fans are stupid.

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Hi all,

I am ok with any release from the estate.

I am comparing the intimate moments and the wb version, and there is some improvment.

I bought it sight unseen, as I have been saying/encouraging the same thing for what 12 plus years. You have to support official releases if you take part in the trading side of things.

It feels like this selection was made by a person who really is not connected or aware with what is circulating and in what quality, as I feel this curator probably is new to all the highlights of the outtakes etc.

I mean hearing Prince at the piano is mind blowing and an eyeopener don't get me wrong. Maybe the estate is hoping this will strip down distractions and show his genius down to a spare piano and vocal to the more surface fans vs deep collectors.

If you are longtime collector who has been lucky enough to hear most of this material we may be underwhelmed, as it wasn't a collection that had been uncirculating or unknown.

Patience is key, we are getting some good stuff, and on the other side collectors are releasing really improved rare stuff.

So it's still a good time to be a music lover.

Happy Birthday to a true monster musician who did things his way.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Why_The_Butterflies

ahhhh, It's 'Mama'

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It is?

That says it all. We have most or all of that release. For years.

And if not it means they cobbled it together like they added the unreelased stuff to the Hits.

So nothing new here in at least two ways.

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

.

Sure, but did I understate my excitement well enough?

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Certainly not. The project feels like an insult to the fans.

djThunderfunk said:

Genesia said:

What I want to know is: Will the deluxe version also include a digital download? Or will I have to hook up my stereo and rip the vinyl or CD because I no longer have a computer with a CD/DVD drive? No one seems willing (or able) to answer this.

In any case, it'll be wonderful to have a clean version!

My guess is no. The deluxe edition does come with a digital download of the single though, so maybe I'm wrong.

In any case, as with everything, it won't be difficult to "find" and download a digital copy, and if you're buying a physical copy, I would recommend doing just that and not feeling a bit of guilt about it. Just sayin'...

Oh, I know I can get an illicit rip - but it's just so stupid of them not to include one with the purchase. I haven't bought an album in years that didn't include a code for a one-time download of the digital edition - it's standard practice. Why can't WB get on board?

Strive said:

Wait. That's the Warner September release? I'm all for new Prince and I'll still buy it but what a misfire. It should've been unreleased studio material to build his legacy. Not something super niche like this. [Edited 6/7/18 9:20am]

Yep.

jasminejoey said:

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

I expect more "fanmade" crap like NC2U and RG/OD, so anything that hasn't been tinkered with would be welcome

Looking on PrinceVault, I don't see any info on the "tinkering" of the NC2U release, and if it was mentioned here on the org, I missed it. Was it "finished" recently? And if so, in what way and by whom?

I can't really go into details because it's not my place to, and I apologize for this, but let's just say I have good reason to believe it's been tinkered with. Hopefully, detailed info on how those posthumous releases were produced will be made public on the long run.

leecaldon said:

jasminejoey said:

Certainly not. The project feels like an insult to the fans.

Really not sure how this can be an insult to the fans. Anyone who has the bootleg of this has a moral obligation to purchase this. It’s the only way you can justify acquiring bootlegged material.

I like your reasoning in a tongue-in-cheek way...The reason it's an insult is because they're sitting on a cornucopia of music and yet they believe that only Prince circa '83 or '84 is worth hearing, even if it's just him noodling.

BartVanHemelen said:

Who even knew Martha cooked the greatest omelettes in the world?

feeluupp said:

NorthC said:

So the deluxe edition is the LP + the CD with some photos. Hmmmm...

A booklet of photos.

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Well, to celebrate the fact that this precious recording is going to be released, I'm listening to it... now!

No, seriously, the circulating recording has decent but far from pristine sound quality so an upgrade would be welcome, and I would assume there is no multitrack for that, so hopefully it will be unaltered.

Nothing mindblowing but pretty good news all things considered. It's a nice recording to add to the canon, and a really cool precursor to ONA

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Have you even bought PR DELUXE yet?

I don't understand the collective saltiness here.

Put yourselves in the shoes of Troy Carter, WB, and anyone else associated with these projects. They came across this rehearsal. Let's assume the quality is pretty good. Look at the tracklist. There's a much better than average chance that Mr. Carter, Estate reps and WB reps had NEVER heard the shitty quality boot that's been circulating for years.

How should they react? Should they immediately consult PrinceVault to see if/when/how its been bootlegged? Or should they get excited about finding a potentially complete rehearsal of important songs - transcendent songs that weren't even released yet?

Has this release been ciruculating amongst the hardcore fans for years now? Yes.

(FWIW I think I have that boot on cassette, vinyl, CD and .mp3. BFD. It's interesting from a creative and completist POV...but hard to listen to b/c of the quality).

Does WB or the Estate have any responsibilty to service *us* specifically and give *us* Vault material that's "fresh" "new" "exciting" "dynamic"? Of course not. They have a responsibility to enhance and protect the legacy. If we had never heard this boot, I have a feeling the reaction would be different. I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement to go around.

I, for one, am excited to get this collection in quality that lends itself to repeat listening - and on physical formats.

Perspective people....perspective.

feeluupp said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Have you even bought PR DELUXE yet?

Yes

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]

SchlomoThaHomo said:

"Is that it? Wake me when you're done. I guess you'll be the only one having fun."

I can't wait until we get the offical Crucial bootleg next year. And 4 Those Of U On Valium in 2020.

Is this really the unreleased 1984 material referenced in the Variety article? This should have been included with the Purple Rain remaster as 1 of 10 discs. This is not worthy of being promoted as a stand alone release. Strike 2.

yup they should have kept this for the next re-release of purple rain.

until when does warners have the publishing rights for the outtakes recorded during
his time with them? it was mentioned a gazillion times during the conflict within the
universal deal. but i'm too lazy to look it up.

anyway, how much time have they got left? they must be putting together packages
for the re-release of his studio albums. behind the scenes i'm sure they are working
on putting those together, remastering the albums and their respective session tracks.

if they're not, they're never going to get the chance to do so again, right? so there is
a limited amount of time for them to do this and cash in.

and whatever anyone thinks, the most sure fire way to make money off the vault is to
sell remastered albums with a shit ton of bonus per album.

so if that's what's going on behind the scenes, i can dig this release right now since it's
just prince by himself so there is no one else that has to be involved in legal rights or
such and it's probably much more easy to polish up something like this which is only 2
tracks i guess (?) compared to multitrack studio songs.

still. i just wish they would say what they have when they start to dangle that carrot,
instead of just talking in riddles and ultimately disappoint because of that.

if carter had said 'we found a piano rehearsal from 1983 and it's great! we want people
to hear this so we will ready it for release in september, it really is something special' -
i would have had about 100% less issue with this release.

but we all know that's not exactly what was said

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]

i doubt that it's as dramatic as all that and that their intentions are really that evil,
but i'm sure that you and i are not the only ones who find it a bit fucking stupid that
the first official posthumous album includes a track titled 'cold coffee and cocaine'

I am looking forward to the release. I guess it is better than nothing. The issue is that die hard fans, who have countless boots and unreleased material will be hard to please for that simple fact. For casual fans, this may be interesting.

I wonder how the pricing will be. If it is overpriced, it may limit the market. Is this the material Troy Carter was raving about coming across that had to be released?

Hopefully, more will come from the Vault that can shock/please die hards and casual.

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:

BS! There is PLENTY that would please us. Granted, there will always be complainers, but that has been the case forever, even when Prince was alive.

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BS!

They did not even have an overview of what they have when they decided for this.

There would have been enopugh material for a 45+ minute release of noting heard before outside of PP.

They push the relase far (!) into the future and still come up with this cheap ass nonsensical release.

What does that say about the people organising this, their strategy, their idea of reality, etc?

Did they ever consult with a person that is a fan for say 20+ years?

Do they think that the general public will buy these piano things?

Do we think that they are in such a mess that they cannot even release the 'recent' Piano and a Micrphone tour? (the whole thing and nothing but the whiole thing; P is dead and we're post WB-sloness now)

This is a cheap ass surrogate despite the price.

Have them suits call me of they dare explain.

Umm, did you respond to the wrong post?

I don't disagree with your perspective here at all.

I was responding to the statement: "There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you". I disagree with that statement. I think there are LOTS of things "that could be released" that WOULD please us.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

As said by other above, only a few thousand of hardcore fans are aware of those recordings. PR Deluxe, then NC2U and the positive welcome both releases received from the music press (as being something special when it wasn't) sent the "wrong" message to WB and the estate, and it's a pity, but truth is that if those recordings are new even for most music journalists, they're definitely going to be new for most casual fans as well.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

To be honest, in this digital age (length doesn't matter anymore) + LP revival age (lenght can't be more than 45 minutes), I don't think stuffing CD's for the sake of stuffing CD's makes much sense anymore, if it ever did. If it wasn't going to be a proper boxset with 5 hours of piano recordings, I think a short statement is OK.

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

Please let's not play 1/ conspiracy theories and 2/ the "Prince wouldn't have wanted to" game. Songs are works of fiction and do not have to reflect the artist's personal opinion. It is well documented that Prince didn't do recreational drugs. Those people who believe he was are not trying to get proper information when proper information is widely avalaible, and neither we nor the estate should care about those fools.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

They're in it for the money, not for the love of music. Prince spent a lifetime denouncing this and his fans were often the first ones to criticize him for that ("Prince doesn't know what he's doing! Why won't he just do what WB tells him to do instead of going indie and not asking the label to give him a producer?"). Now Prince is gone and WB is in charge: the trolls got what they wanted, didn't they?

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Absolutely. It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.

This should be a bonus to a larger collection or smaller scale release marketed to fans only, not the first posthumous release that's not a hits compilation or deluxe reissue.

Silvertongue7 said:

djThunderfunk said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Absolutely. It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.

This should be a bonus to a larger collection or smaller scale release marketed to fans only, not the first posthumous release that's not a hits compilation or deluxe reissue.

Exactly. The "casual" Prince fans wil be the one defending this and saying stuff lik we will never be happy....

But the truth is the true Prince fans and collectors are not happy that we are getting a reboot of a boot. Add a few pictures and put it in a vinyl and they want to charge us over $40 for it...

djThunderfunk said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Absolutely. It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.

This should be a bonus to a larger collection or smaller scale release marketed to fans only, not the first posthumous release that's not a hits compilation or deluxe reissue.