mmart2008 said:

mmart2008 said:

KingSausage said:

poppys said:

Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.

Who else’s fault would be it if not Prince’s (and now the estate’s)? He sat on this great music for decades and jeopardized the physical security of the tapes themselves. Yes, it’s his art and he could do whatever he wanted to it. But that means accepting the consequences of his actions (or inaction). Primarily, a thriving market for bootlegs that put most of his official releases from the past 25 years to absolute shame. For a guy who was so proud of allegedly pushing the envelope on using the internet for music distribution, and who was often chasing that next dollar, he sure missed many chances to put all this shit out there for easy purchase.

It was Prince's choice, not his fault. HE WAS THE GODHEAD. You really don't get it. Maybe never will. That's on you.

You'd pick the flesh off his bones because you need to eat MORE of his creativity to feel pleasure. And did.

I knew shit would rain for posting about this at all, but Good Gawd Y'all. Takers.

poppys said:

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:

if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).

Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.

That's one way to look at it. Another way is, SOMBEBODY ELSE already stole from the source and distributed it, it's already stolen and already being shared and enjoyed, why not listen to it?

Strive said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !

Damned double times !!

PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release

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The Estate really needs to study how MCA and Experience Hendrix handled Jimi's posthumous career in the 90s/2000s. They had a live show of related and influenced by artists touring. First Rays Of The Rising Sun was the opening salvo and was quickly followed up by South Saturn Delta. Two new albums compiled of unreleased studio material. They let MCA distribute the big live releases and boxsets. They made Dagger Records so they could self-release more niche content like lesser known soundboards and demo work yearly. They also explained why each release was important and the history behind them. It took them about 15 years to empty the vault of material he's created over 4 years. Prince's vault is infinitely larger. The idea behind this release isn't bad but it really should have been released on his birthday with the announcement of a full album made from unreleased studio material for September. That way you could drive sales of P&AM83 with a tease of what's coming. Buy it and get [whatever single from the September release] today. They also need to study Experience Hendrix and Sony as an example of what not to do. They focused on video when nobody in his fanbase cared about that, they compiled new albums by splicing together multiple takes of songs & passing them off as "new", they burned out the fanbase with nothing reissues and the only thing left of any value (Black Gold) is being sat on with no release in sight. They just shit stuff out with no reason as to why. [Edited 6/9/18 12:14pm]

There absolutely needs to be 2 distribution plans, one for the mainstream and one of obscure "fans only" releases (like this one we're discussing), Dagger Records (and the NPGMC) provide good models for this.

poppys said:

mmart2008 said:

Genesia said:

Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !

Nope. I don't have any of the stuff the "elite" traders are hoarding. Not only that, tons of stuff has leaked in the 2 years since Prince passed, and, tons of stuff I've never heard is listed on PrinceVault. Not only that, but the Prince tightened the ship so very little from the last 20 years of his career leaked, and, I for one am a fan of his entire career, not just the 80s heyday, so, I'm looking forward to hearing that stuff as well.

So, nope, I don't think I have everything that's in the vault. Not even close.

djThunderfunk said:

There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate to everybody.

Again, Takers.

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:

I was just saying .........

Gotcha. I really hate that I ever paid for boots. Nobody should pay for them.

Actually, if no one paid for them, then the bootleggers wouldn't have an incentive to produce the and distribute the music. So actually, everyone should pay for boots.

I don't get why people are complaing about the pricing. The Purple Rain Remaster LP cost more than this LP and the NC2U 7'' cost 10 freaking dollars. If you want to go the cheap route with this one, don't pre-order, pick up the CD in stores the week it comes out and I bet it will be $10-11.

Hell, I paid $28 for the vinyl bootleg of this 30 years ago and that one sounded like shit. Waaaaaay worse than the Mary Don't You Weep track people are complaining about. It sounds absolutely pristine when compared to the bootlegs of this set that I've heard.

poppys said:

poppys said:

There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate to everybody.

Again, Takers.

well, that's us told off, then

IstenSzek said:

poppys said:

There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate to everybody.

Again, Takers.

well, that's us told off, then

Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.

Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.

I collected bootlegs while Prince was alive and openly talked about them here knowing he monitored this site... but now I'm supposed to feel guilty because of holier than thou fans chastising me for it?

Naw, I'm cool with it.

The upshot is that PRINCE released what he wanted released and then, eat crumbs, I'm dead.

Actully Prince was pretty smart not releasing all that music. Look at the demand for it. Not to mention the worth it can foster.

RODSERLING said:

This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe.

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You did not notice you heard the music on disc one before?

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This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs.

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It is.

They thought that we could not keep up. Thus stuff disappeared in the vault.

Thus there was more to leak.

They care about sales. So they release stuff that we already heard. I see a problem there.

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I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs.

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We will not get a 1999 deluxe as it will not sell as PR deluxe did not sell.

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. Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?

dustoff said:

- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

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Why then title them as they were?

Sorta click bait?

And why expect me to verify streams?

poppys said:

FunkiestOne said:

Strive said:

TrivialPursuit said:

HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.

Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com...lboard-200

It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.

TrivialPursuit said:

udo said:

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?

When I talk about the deluxe version, of course I am talking about CD3.

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Did I imply otherwise?

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lmost everything he did in the 80s is already bootlegged.

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Estimates abou t vault contents vary.

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How Can Wb release something new for you illegal listened?

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'Illegal' is a construct., espcially in the area of 'intellectual property' which in itself is a construct, a fabrication.

Then they decided the market could not absurd more than one album per year, so how can it now?

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For instance, I Always heard that "wonderfull ass" was one of his best unreleasrd song...hum, it is on PR deluxe, while the production is enjoyable, the song is subpar material at best.

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Tastes can vary between subjects.

From your indications one could determine that all we get from the vaults are ~35 minutes of music on CD, one release per year, for perhaps 15 years or so.

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:

It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.

. Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US. . It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop. . I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for. . I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny

Why are you so obsessed with how many copies are being sold? You come into these threads with all of these sales figures,which you probably memorized (lol).I don't get it,what is your point? You seem almost happy to point out that something is a "flop".What is your agenda/purpose on this site?

Graycap23 said:

Who in the hell is making decision over at WB? With all of the material that they found, this is the best they could come up with?

I feel the same way.Still gonna buy it,though

SoulAlive said:

udo said:

dustoff said:

- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

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Why then title them as they were?

Sorta click bait?

And why expect me to verify streams?

You claimed that P&M 2016 was on Tidal, and provided a link.

It took only a cursory glance at the material to know that your claim wasn't true.

Then you ask, "Why should I be expected to verify what I say on this board?"

That's rich, i gotta say.

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