RODSERLING said:

You re right, the marketing campaign of PR deluxe was crappy. They were about to make huge promotion, but they stopped everything once they Lost the first avenue vidéo live. This would have been by far the most valable thing of the box set. . This live was supposed to be streamed by the estate in Spotify or something, what happened to it?

that's the thing; they don't communicate. if they would just be up front about
what was happening and why certain tings went the way they went, people
wouldn't be speculating and complaining as much because we would be sitting
here with the facts.

although, i must admit, i still might be complaining

KingSausage said:

I’ll be glad to have this set, but I’ll still be upset we don’t have more. They’re sitting on a goldmine. Release it! If this piano set was one release in a packed schedule, it would be one thing. But as it is, it’s hard to get too excited about it. I’m illogically impatient for the world at large to hear masterpieces like All My Dreams, Others Here With Us, Adonis & Bathsheba, and other classics. Prince has had so many ups and downs over the past 25 years or so. Putting those A+ unreleased studio tracks out will help cement the legacy of his most innovative period. No matter how many times I rolled my eyes at shit he pulled in recent years, he is still my favorite artist and nobody can even begin to fuck with his 1980-1988 work.

This. I think there a lot of people who'd be impressed by the high quality work that Prince never formally released. Maybe some casual fans wouldn't go out of their way to listen to it, but do you really think the casual fans are gonna go out of their way to listen to a one-off piano rehearsal where not even all of the songs are Prince originals?

I think WB & the Estate could please a lot of people by putting out a set of outtakes and unreleased material from 1984 to 1987. One disc could be the final configuration of Dream Factory, and the other discs could contain other outtakes grouped by year or relevance to eachother. Then they could tackle all of the other unreleased material however they wanted to (hopefully in a logical fashion), but I think a release like this would buy them time and please people such as myself.

KingSausage said:

RODSERLING said:

mbdtyler said:

Silvertongue7 said:

mbdtyler said:

This. I think there a lot of people who'd be impressed by the high quality work that Prince never formally released. Maybe some casual fans wouldn't go out of their way to listen to it, but do you really think the casual fans are gonna go out of their way to listen to a one-off piano rehearsal where not even all of the songs are Prince originals?

I think WB & the Estate could please a lot of people by putting out a set of outtakes and unreleased material from 1984 to 1987. One disc could be the final configuration of Dream Factory, and the other discs could contain other outtakes grouped by year or relevance to eachother. Then they could tackle all of the other unreleased material however they wanted to (hopefully in a logical fashion), but I think a release like this would buy them time and please people such as myself.

When I read Troy’s interview a few weeks back and he mentioned that they were going to release outstanding music focused on one specific era I made (mentally) a tracklist that I would have loved, even though I already had the music. It would be something like this: All My Dreams In a Large Room with No Light Train Adonis and Bathsheba Cosmic Day Wally Come Elektra Tuesday Emotional Pump Coco Boys Empty Room I’m not very good at remembering dates, but I think they were all recorded within two years more or less. And how much better would this be than this bloody rehearsal???

that is a nice set... and other than the rest of "Cosmic Day" and what I think to be the first half of "Wally" we have all that... which is NOT the issue... my issue would one of worry that we the big collectors already have most of what is left... But yeah that would be a NICE set! (I hope the cassette tape Susan mentioned of the original wally is found!)

KingSausage said:

RODSERLING said:

Whether it sounds like crap, or the song is not worth making on an album. . I liked I Wonder, but this is really an unfinished work. I would be impressed if you could advise me à good unreleased song.

I don’t care for I Wonder. But that’s one out of HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of unreleased tracks. I could name dozens that are high-quality, finished, and ready to go. And that would fit right in on even the best of his albums.

I mentioned to someone that Prince had at least 2 new albums coming out in the next year and they were confused. I was like 'how long have you known me?" you know he has 100s if not over 1000 unreleased songs... and they were like 'really' and I named a few and they were like "but those are so good... i thought they were....those are not released?"

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

just to make the point that outtakes are in fact very much great songs and often are circulating
in very good quality. i tend to make 'albums' of era specific outtakes, padded out with b-sides
and non album tracks. this enhances the listening pleasure for me since it makes you listen to
the songs in another way as opposed to just listening to an outtake 200 times and then get too
bored or over familliar with it.

anyway, this is one of my favourite projects and for me it rivals any official release in sheer
amount of brilliant songs.


01. The Rebirth Of The Flesh

02. Dream Factory

03. Good Love

04. Crucial
05. Come Elektra Tuesday

06. Sexual Suicide

07. Splash
08. Alexa de Paris [12'']
09. Emotional Pump
10. Witness 4 The Prosecution
11. Yo Mister
12. Love or $ [12'']
13. Power Fantastic

01. She's Always In My Hair [12'']
02. Hello [12'']
03. Make Ur Mama Happy
04. Coco Boys
05. Girl [12'']
06. Adonis & Bathsheba
07. Big Tall Wall
08. Conversation Piece
09. Eternity
10. Train
11. Others Here With Us
12. Old Friends 4 Sale
13. All My Dreams

01. The Ball
02. Feel U Up [Long Stroke]
03. Baby Go-Go
04. Large Room With No Light
05. Neon Telephone
06. 101
07. Can I Play With U?
08. Shockadelica [12'']
09. 4 The Tears In Your Eyes
10. Moviestar
11. A Place In Heaven
12. Crystal Ball
13. Empty Room

if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).

love2thenines2003 said:

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:

if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).

Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.

poppys said:

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:

if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).

Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.

i don't know. i don't see it quite as dramatic as that. although i do see his and your point, sure.

but i'll gladly pay for these tracks once they are released. i would have paid prince for them if
he'd chosen to release them.

i chose to support prince in everything he did and was always a paying member of all his sites,
bought his albums (multiple times) and his singles. went to shows.

this product was out there, on the internet. i wasn't going to ignore it simply because prince
did not want me to listen to it.

and prince was always rather vague about it anyway. in the end he said it was ok to listen to
stuff (especially live shows) but not to sell it.

poppys said:

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

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I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.

.

This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.

.

Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.

BartVanHemelen said:

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

.

I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.

.

This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.

.

Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.

You are absolutely correct.

This has nothing to do with "fans not appreciating, or ever being happy about a release"... This is not about "oh, we already have this boot, but this one comes in much better sound quality, so hearing it in better sound quality will give us a better feeling...:

No, this is about an estate not thinking, not thinking for the fans, or not thinking about the legacy, if you want to even go that deep into it.

This is not a good first posthumous release. What was the three releases on different vinyl Nothing Compares 2 U about?? Just out of nowhere, it should've been linked to a release that had to do with that era or something..

Bart is absolutely correct, at best this release should've been included as a bonus disc, not an official release... Not the FIRST OFFICIAL POSTHUMOUS RELEASE... This is just a very incorrect move by the estate. This is not subjective or objective anymore... It's simply the wrong choice.

BartVanHemelen said:

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

.

I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.

.

This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.

.

Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.

Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.

And to stir the pot more... How little effort it shows that the first official posthumous release is just an existing boot with almost the identical tracklist... It's like they didn't even sit down and come up with the track list themselves, they just said oh heres the boot we will use this... Lets add a nice box, some pictures, and charge the fans $40 plus shipping.

feeluupp said:

And to stir the pot more... How little effort it shows that the first official posthumous release is just an existing boot with almost the identical tracklist... It's like they didn't even sit down and come up with the track list themselves, they just said oh heres the boot we will use this... Lets add a nice box, some pictures, and charge the fans $40 plus shipping.

Exactly.

Also I don't want to hear the argument "oh prince fans feel a certain entitlement, blah blah..." No the issue is why would they release this as the first posthumous release when there is so much more amazing material in the vault. I mean worried about the music being released is one... It seems like they don't even care about the video and visual material either... They don't even release any first avenue footage for the PR DELUXE release, they just took the old VHS version of the REVOLUTION LIVE concert and stuck it with the disks... I mean who is in charge at the estate, really I want to know. What's going on.

I'm not even one of those picky prince fans that nit pick and complain about everything, but this release is just absurd... It's not right.

KingSausage said:

djThunderfunk said:

Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.

Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.

Just be thankful for the FREE music you get.



I will never buy boots, never have.

poppys said:

luv4u said:

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:

Just be thankful what you get

I’m thankful that I ordered this set and will listen to it probably a few times. I’m also thankful — VERY thankful — that I have an unholy fuck-ton of bootlegs.

I don't 'buy' boots.

luv4u said:

luv4u said:

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:

I don't 'buy' boots.

I think we missed a few lines here...when did I mention you “buying” boots?

I was just saying .........

luv4u said:

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:

Just be thankful for the FREE music you get.



I will never buy boots, never have.

I’ll reply to your edited post too. I’m CRAZY thankful for all the free boots I’ve received over the years. I regret paying for boots in the late 90s. I would gladly have given that money to Prince for official versions of that music.

It would have been cheaper. Boots were expensive back in the day.

Genesia said:

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.

Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !