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Reply #360 posted 06/08/18 4:08pm

RODSERLING

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years and being a huge worldwide commercial trademark.
In this context, a 1999 deluxe had about zero chance to happen. Like I Said one year ago, WB has no interest in releasing multi CD packages they can t sell. Those who are waiting for deluxe reissues to happen are genuinely naïve.
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One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it.
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Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe. Its short lenght Will assure it more listening that Will reflect on higher sales (since 1000 listenings: 1 sale)
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Reply #361 posted 06/08/18 4:37pm

SoulAlive

I would rather that they focus on Deluxe Editions of his albums.I want a 3-CD ‘1999’ Deluxe Edition!! Filled with bonus tracks and outtakes,please.
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Reply #362 posted 06/08/18 4:49pm

SoulAlive

RODSERLING said:


Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe.


Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well.

...
[Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]
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Reply #363 posted 06/08/18 5:02pm

TrivialPursuit

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dodger said:

rdhull said:

So the estate is releasing basically cleaned up bootlegs. Trolling on the river.

Roll on 2022 for Small Club


Small Club

First Avenue 1983, 1985, 1987

Gold Aftershow Brussels

Paris or New York 1980

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Reply #364 posted 06/08/18 5:27pm

jjam

RODSERLING said:

Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe.

Yep, it's really been well received by fans, hasn't it? lol

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Reply #365 posted 06/08/18 6:40pm

EddieC

feeluupp said:

... and yes... to the people writing essays defending this release... it is from a sourced tape... so there we are ladies and gentleman... our first official posthumous release is a bootleg from a cassette. lol

great job troy and the estate... what's next, they going to release Box O' Chocolates on vinyl. lol

Okay, the bootleg was a bootleg from a (probably later generation) cassette. This is an official release from a (possibly first generation) cassette. I mean, if that's what there is for a source, then that's what they've got to use. I understand not being happy with this particular recording being chosen for release, either because you just don't think it should be released or because it's not good for release at this time. But it's not the same as using the bootleg as the source.

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Reply #366 posted 06/08/18 7:05pm

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There is probably a simple logic to this choice of release. Purple Rain Deluxe didn't set the world on fire, so, instead of releasing 1999 deluxe, WB are exploring how to exploit maximum sales from a limited hardcore base. This is a test to gauge the fan levels and their limits.

They have picked something obscure, given away as little music as possible, created an expensive bundle without additional music and arranged a very long 'pre-order' period.

Classic marketing to gauge the size of the market and how far they can push it.


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Reply #367 posted 06/08/18 7:07pm

rdhull

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EddieC said:

feeluupp said:

... and yes... to the people writing essays defending this release... it is from a sourced tape... so there we are ladies and gentleman... our first official posthumous release is a bootleg from a cassette. lol

great job troy and the estate... what's next, they going to release Box O' Chocolates on vinyl. lol

Okay, the bootleg was a bootleg from a (probably later generation) cassette. This is an official release from a (possibly first generation) cassette. I mean, if that's what there is for a source, then that's what they've got to use. I understand not being happy with this particular recording being chosen for release, either because you just don't think it should be released or because it's not good for release at this time. But it's not the same as using the bootleg as the source.

Yes it is. With all the material thats credible and prisitne, to release this (with hiss you can hear on Mary lol) is akin to using bootleg as the soure. At least Led Zep/Jimi Page admitted to such with How The West Was Won. Thing is, LZ doesnt have half of the material Prince has put away, so to use this is realy flummoxing.

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Reply #368 posted 06/08/18 9:35pm

udo

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Kares said:

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the most prolific musicians ever with dozens of unreleased projects in the can plus hundreds of odd unreleased songs and hundreds of professionally recorded shows on tape...

.

I got news for you.

Inside news.

2019 will be BIG!

lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #369 posted 06/08/18 9:38pm

udo

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TrivialPursuit said:

dodger said:

rdhull said: Roll on 2022 for Small Club


Small Club

First Avenue 1983, 1985, 1987

Gold Aftershow Brussels

Paris or New York 1980

.

This is nonsense.

If the b00tleggars can b00tleg whole tours and do that for decades, why then can't a 'legal' rentseker like a record company do a series of discs for a tour?

Does this imply that there is a backwards relation between size and efficiency when it comes to them old music giants?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #370 posted 06/08/18 11:21pm

mushmackalenta

I haven't listened to the boot for years but aren't Purple Rain and Wednesday hardly more than a minute long?
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Reply #371 posted 06/09/18 12:00am

databank

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feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

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I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

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Reply #372 posted 06/09/18 12:09am

databank

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RODSERLING said:

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years and being a huge worldwide commercial trademark. In this context, a 1999 deluxe had about zero chance to happen. Like I Said one year ago, WB has no interest in releasing multi CD packages they can t sell. Those who are waiting for deluxe reissues to happen are genuinely naïve. . One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. . Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe. Its short lenght Will assure it more listening that Will reflect on higher sales (since 1000 listenings: 1 sale)

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

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Reply #373 posted 06/09/18 12:15am

TrivialPursuit

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RODSERLING said:

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years
One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. .


HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.

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Reply #374 posted 06/09/18 12:31am

Strive

TrivialPursuit said:



RODSERLING said:



Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years

One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. .


HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.



Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com...lboard-200
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Reply #375 posted 06/09/18 2:29am

RODSERLING

SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said:
Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe.
Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well. ... [Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]

That's not true.

.

Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

.

In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

.

Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

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The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

.

Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

.

If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

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Reply #376 posted 06/09/18 2:35am

RODSERLING

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years and being a huge worldwide commercial trademark. In this context, a 1999 deluxe had about zero chance to happen. Like I Said one year ago, WB has no interest in releasing multi CD packages they can t sell. Those who are waiting for deluxe reissues to happen are genuinely naïve. . One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. . Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe. Its short lenght Will assure it more listening that Will reflect on higher sales (since 1000 listenings: 1 sale)

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

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CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

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2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

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Reply #377 posted 06/09/18 2:38am

feeluupp

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databank said:

feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

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I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

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Reply #378 posted 06/09/18 2:42am

feeluupp

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RODSERLING said:

databank said:

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

.

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
.

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

.

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

u can't just estimate sales all the time rod... ur figures are so off everytime... i remember you "estimated" the purple rain deluxe first week figures and you were off by so much...

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Reply #379 posted 06/09/18 2:45am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

databank said:

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

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I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Did I write one negative word about this release ? No. I am eagerly waiting for this, Day 1 buying for me.

Even if it were 1999 deluxe, most of the orgers here would still complain about it and threaten to not buy it.

We already saw that for PR Deluxe, which had objectively great content value (even if the dvd was crap).

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Fortunately, I don't belong to the sad listeners bootleg community, so this would be all new for me.

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Reply #380 posted 06/09/18 2:46am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

.

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
.

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

.

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

u can't just estimate sales all the time rod... ur figures are so off everytime... i remember you "estimated" the purple rain deluxe first week figures and you were off by so much...

So, these figures are wrong ? Billboard and Nielsen faked their numbers, I believe just for Prince ? Just like this I suppose ?

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From the NIELSEN 20I7 YEAR-END
MUSIC REPORT U.S.


TOP 10 VINYL ALBUMS

Rank Artist Title Sales
1 Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Cl 72,000

6 Prince Purple Rain 58,000

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U.S. Cassette Album Sales Rose 35% in 2017, Led by 'Guardians of the Galaxy' Awesome Mix Tapes
https://www.billboard.com...ising-2017
1/5/2018 by Keith Caulfield

TOP 10 SELLING CASSETTE ALBUMS OF 2017 IN U.S.
Rank Artist, Title Sales

7 Prince and the Revolution, Purple Rain (Soundtrack) 2,000

Source: Nielsen Music, for the tracking period Dec. 30, 2016 through Dec. 28, 2017.

[Edited 6/9/18 2:48am]

[Edited 6/9/18 2:48am]

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Reply #381 posted 06/09/18 2:48am

feeluupp

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RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

u can't just estimate sales all the time rod... ur figures are so off everytime... i remember you "estimated" the purple rain deluxe first week figures and you were off by so much...

So, these figures are wrong ? Billboard and Nielsen faked their numbers, I believe just for Prince ?

Official numbers are official numbers.

Rod's estimated figures are always wrong... Wasn't you that estimated that Purple Rain Deluze would sell no more than 70,000 world wide and the first week sales in the U.S. alone surprassed your whole number?

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Reply #382 posted 06/09/18 2:49am

Kares

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RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said: Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well. ... [Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]

That's not true.

.

Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

.

In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

.

Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

.

The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

.

Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

.

If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

.
The bottom line is: quality still sells. If a release is put together professionally, with amazing sound, tons of extra material and gorgeous packaging, like the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it will sell well even at 5x the price of PR Deluxe.
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If something is thrown together using material sourced from cassette tapes, in a cheap digipak with a poor quality booklet, it will be a flop – and indeed, PR Deluxe was a flop. No surprises there.
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So in case a 1999 Deluxe or a Parade Deluxe would be put together professionally and with such care as the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it could actually sell a lot better than that disgraceful PR Deluxe.
.

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Reply #383 posted 06/09/18 2:51am

feeluupp

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Kares said:

RODSERLING said:

That's not true.

.

Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

.

In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

.

Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

.

The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

.

Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

.

If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

.
The bottom line is: quality still sells. If a release is put together professionally, with amazing sound, tons of extra material and gorgeous packaging, like the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it will sell well even at 5x the price of PR Deluxe.
.
If something is thrown together using material sourced from cassette tapes, in a cheap digipak with a poor quality booklet, it will be a flop – and indeed, PR Deluxe was a flop. No surprises there.
.
So in case a 1999 Deluxe or a Parade Deluxe would be put together professionally and with such care as the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it could actually sell a lot better than that disgraceful PR Deluxe.
.

... Remember how we had the photographer who did the booklet for PR DELUXE post here before it's release hyping the packet up, yet there was only one new photo we have never seen... I thought they could've done much better with PR DELUXE being that is his biggest selling album... But I'm just really wondering who has the last say and chosing these releases because surely it is not the fans. neutral

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Reply #384 posted 06/09/18 2:56am

databank

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RODSERLING said:

databank said:

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

.

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
.

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

.

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

I didn't know that.

On the other hand it could be argued that with the peak of sales PR knew after Prince passed, to be added to those 15 or 20M folks who had purchased it between 1984 and 2016, sales had to suffer: it's not every casual Prince listener who was gonna buy it again just for obscure outtakes, b-sides and edits. Obviously, 41,000 copies of a 1984 album in the first semester of 2017 is an extraordinary amount. So I would say the timing was poor: WB just tried to resell a record that every new fan had just already purchased in the wake of P's death.

So in the end IDK what it says about potential sales of any other potential reissue, because it appears the sales of PR Deluxe suffered from the sales of PR between April 2016 and June 2017.

Now IDK, I ain't in the head of those WB execs and IDK what sort of sales figures they expect from a reissue. The Beatles is NOT a good comparison example. The Beatles, like MJ and maybe Elvis are in another category entirely.

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Reply #385 posted 06/09/18 2:56am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

So, these figures are wrong ? Billboard and Nielsen faked their numbers, I believe just for Prince ?

Official numbers are official numbers.

Rod's estimated figures are always wrong... Wasn't you that estimated that Purple Rain Deluze would sell no more than 70,000 world wide and the first week sales in the U.S. alone surprassed your whole number?

1st week sales in the US of the vinyl, cassette, CD and deluxe version was 48.000...The only deluxe numbers are only between 33 and 37.000 copies.Truth hurts.

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7/15 Billboard 200:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... bums-chart

DJ Khaled's 'Grateful' Debuts at No. 1 on Billboard 200 Albums Chart
7/2/2017 by Keith Caulfield

Prince and the Revolution’s Purple Rain soundtrack, first released in 1984, re-enters the list straight in at No. 4, following its deluxe remastered reissue on June 23. The album — combining all versions of Purple Rain, past and present — earned 52,000 units in the tracking frame (of which 48,000 were in traditional album sales). The set collected a 3,633 percent gain in units for the week, and a 4,767 percent leap in album sales.

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http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=307208

Tuesday, June 27, 2017

TOP 20: DEAD HEAT

In one of the tightest races we’ve seen, DJ Khaled and Imagine Dragons are in a dead heat for #1 on Friday’s SPS chart. Stay tuned for updates on this battle. The Expanded Edition of Prince’s Purple Rain is poised for a Top 5 debut.

5. *Prince (Warner Bros.) 33-37k

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Reply #386 posted 06/09/18 2:58am

databank

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feeluupp said:

databank said:

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

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I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Mmmh... Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. I thought I remembered we had huge fights back when Prince was alive because of those weekly "Prince is over and done thread", and that you had allied yourself with that other dude who hates me to flame me. Apologies if it wasn't you, I sometimes confuse orgers.

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Reply #387 posted 06/09/18 2:58am

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RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Official numbers are official numbers.

Rod's estimated figures are always wrong... Wasn't you that estimated that Purple Rain Deluze would sell no more than 70,000 world wide and the first week sales in the U.S. alone surprassed your whole number?

1st week sales in the US of the vinyl, cassette, CD and deluxe version was 48.000...The only deluxe numbers are only between 33 and 37.000 copies.Truth hurts.

.

7/15 Billboard 200:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... bums-chart

DJ Khaled's 'Grateful' Debuts at No. 1 on Billboard 200 Albums Chart
7/2/2017 by Keith Caulfield

Prince and the Revolution’s Purple Rain soundtrack, first released in 1984, re-enters the list straight in at No. 4, following its deluxe remastered reissue on June 23. The album — combining all versions of Purple Rain, past and present — earned 52,000 units in the tracking frame (of which 48,000 were in traditional album sales). The set collected a 3,633 percent gain in units for the week, and a 4,767 percent leap in album sales.

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http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=307208

Tuesday, June 27, 2017

TOP 20: DEAD HEAT

In one of the tightest races we’ve seen, DJ Khaled and Imagine Dragons are in a dead heat for #1 on Friday’s SPS chart. Stay tuned for updates on this battle. The Expanded Edition of Prince’s Purple Rain is poised for a Top 5 debut.

5. *Prince (Warner Bros.) 33-37k

What were the sale figures for PRINCE4EVER?

In U.K. it went GOLD indicating over 100,000 copies, but what were the rest of the sales, would be interesting to know...

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Reply #388 posted 06/09/18 3:00am

feeluupp

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databank said:

feeluupp said:

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Mmmh... Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. I thought I remembered we had huge fights back when Prince was alive because of those weekly "Prince is over and done thread", and that you had allied yourself with that other dude who hates me to flame me. Apologies if it wasn't you, I sometimes confuse orgers.

Naw deff wasn't me... Just go through my posts on search... I don't get involved with those type of threads. I do remember there was always someone argueing with ROD whenever ROD would post the sales figures of an upcoming Prince album and say it would be a flop everytime a new release would come...

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Reply #389 posted 06/09/18 3:01am

udo

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RODSERLING said:

So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

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So the Estate is a lot less valuable than what everybopdy thinks.

Because what margin is there on tehse rissues?

What margin is there on 'new' old material?

Count with 250K albums (single disc) per release and do the math.

What is the actual value?

A quick calculation comes down at ~15 million fiat dollars when they get 1 dollar per disc and do 20 reissue albums and some vault stuff each selling 250K copies.

You can double the money when they get 2 dollars and so on.

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Better sell them tapes to them b00tleggars in one lump sum and be done with it because at this rate the heirs will never be 'rich'.

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Or did I make the wrong assumptions?

Please explain.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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