databank said:

camilleisfunky said:

Does the 35 minute release include all the songs that he performed that we've had for ages now? I thought Purple Music was included in the bootleg, but is not listed on the cd track list. Sorry if this was already discussed, I didn't have a chance to read all the pages in the thread.

PM and those 2 other untitled tracks are from 1982. Always bootlegged together but not the same session.

Thanks!

Is it a surprising pick out of the plethera of things to pick from? Very surprising. But I am very very grateful nonetheless for this album.

mushmackalenta said:

At least they are upfront about it being sourced from a cassette.

Did "they" say that? I thought it was just "us" that was saying that.

35 minutes has always been a standard and good length for anything on vinyl ... a longer release reduces the sound quality of the disk ... this is why 1999 is 2 vinyl disks and not 1 ... many prince albums are 35 minutes ... the length works for the fact that this is intended as a vinyl collectors release on some level .. keeps it simple .. the cover art is horrible .. especially compared to the original picture .. looks really bad .. i hope they don't use noise reduction

Well at least the Estate is listening to us to some extent. We wanted box sets, we are going to get a box set.


A box set of one 35 minute, bad quality bootleg and a photo book... Funny bunch they are.

I'm kinda glad. My original Intimate Moments CD is so scratched up...lol. Played the heck out of it all through college. Bring it on!!

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the most prolific musicians ever with dozens of unreleased projects in the can plus hundreds of odd unreleased songs and hundreds of professionally recorded shows on tape...

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[Edited 6/8/18 12:02pm]

ORGERs here are also probably partly to blame for this!

So many were rabidly requesting the release of Piano and Microphone when the family did a survey. Knowing the family and their limited knowledge of Prince's career they probably weren't so aware they were referring to his recent Piano and Microphone tour and just said to Troy or WB "Look just release something with Prince alone on Piano and Microphone to please the fans as this is what they asked for". WB/Troy probably replied "Look we have no rights to this recent stuff, but we can take something from an old tape from the early days we just found, clean it up quickly and put it out as "Piano and Microphone 1983!"

I would not be surprised if this is what happened!!!

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Kares said:

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the (if not The) most prolific musician with dozens of unreleased project in the can and hundreds of professionally recorded shows.

why release a subpar bootleg when theres SO MANY professional sounding concerts/aftershows/soundchecks/rehearsals ??? arent they trying to get more interest in his music?????

luvsexy4all said:

Kares said:

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the most prolific musicians ever with dozens of unreleased projects in the can plus hundreds of odd unreleased songs and hundreds of professionally recorded shows on tape...

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why release a subpar bootleg when theres SO MANY professional sounding concerts/aftershows/soundchecks/rehearsals ??? arent they trying to get more interest in his music?????

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It's called profit maximisation, I'm afraid. This material hardly required more studio work than someone pressing play on a My First Sony cassette player and they will be selling it at box set price point.
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djThunderfunk said:

mushmackalenta said:

At least they are upfront about it being sourced from a cassette.

Did "they" say that? I thought it was just "us" that was saying that.

Yeah, the cassette source is referenced in the press release.

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release...

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

The reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners shows that there is huge interest in tracks that we already have. We are victims of our own greed.

Simple solution is to do another Crystal Ball 2 or 3 set covering all the eras.

... and yes... to the people writing essays defending this release... it is from a sourced tape... so there we are ladies and gentleman... our first official posthumous release is a bootleg from a cassette.

great job troy and the estate... what's next, they going to release Box O' Chocolates on vinyl.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

The reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners shows that there is huge interest in tracks that we already have. We are victims of our own greed.

Simple solution is to do another Crystal Ball 2 or 3 set covering all the eras.

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Sorry but I've no idea what you mean on the "reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners". The fact that the press release is being published by the media worldwide? Or that they talk about "a new, previously unheard Prince album" which they know nothing about and nor do they care about?

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There is a huge interest in tracks we already have – but that interest is in tracks we have mostly in poor quality so getting them in pristine quality straight from the source tapes (either remixed from the multitracks or just remastered from the original mixdown tapes) would definitely generate a huge interest amongst us too!

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But there's considerably less interest in getting an official bootleg of an amateur recording in more-or-less the same poor quality we already have it in.
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feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release...

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

How do you know where this release will be sourced from? Just because a bootlegged copy of this performance exists doesn't mean that the release won't be produced from a better source.

And for those of you claiming to be "insulted" by this release, I can only say [Flame snip - luv4u] you should check your sense of entitlement.

Man, some fuckin' fans.

dustoff said:

feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release...

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

How do you know where this release will be sourced from? Just because a bootlegged copy of this performance exists doesn't mean that the release won't be produced from a better source.

And for those of you claiming to be "insulted" by this release, I can only say [Flame snip - luv4u] you should check your sense of entitlement.

Man, some fuckin' fans.

Said so in the press release... It's sourced from a cassette, that became a boot in the 80's...

feeluupp said:

dustoff said:

How do you know where this release will be sourced from? Just because a bootlegged copy of this performance exists doesn't mean that the release won't be produced from a better source.

And for those of you claiming to be "insulted" by this release, I can only say [Flame snip - luv4u] you should check your sense of entitlement.

Man, some fuckin' fans.

Said so in the press release... It's sourced from a cassette, that became a boot in the 80's...

Yeah, but we don't know what generation copy the boot was made from. In other words, it's not a given (and seems in fact totally unlikely) that WB is "rebooting the boot," ie sourcing it from whatever copy ended up making the rounds when the boot was released. Saying that is the case is just disengenuous.

Who in the hell is making decision over at WB? With all of the material that they found, this is the best they could come up with?

Kares said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

The reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners shows that there is huge interest in tracks that we already have. We are victims of our own greed.

Simple solution is to do another Crystal Ball 2 or 3 set covering all the eras.

.
Sorry but I've no idea what you mean on the "reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners". The fact that the press release is being published by the media worldwide? Or that they talk about "a new, previously unheard Prince album" which they know nothing about and nor do they care about?

.

There is a huge interest in tracks we already have – but that interest is in tracks we have mostly in poor quality so getting them in pristine quality straight from the source tapes (either remixed from the multitracks or just remastered from the original mixdown tapes) would definitely generate a huge interest amongst us too!

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But there's considerably less interest in getting an official bootleg of an amateur recording in more-or-less the same poor quality we already have it in.
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"We" do not have this in the same quality as the Mary Don't You Weep track. The best "we" have doesn't sound anywhere near as good as this.

If you have the set in quality that good, you should share it.

I'm not happy that this is what they've chosen to release, but, let's not pretend the existing bootlegs sound as good as what we're hearing on this new release.

TwiliteKid said:

djThunderfunk said:

Did "they" say that? I thought it was just "us" that was saying that.

Yeah, the cassette source is referenced in the press release.

Then I'm cool with it. I don't like if they pretend something is sourced from "vault tapes" and won't admit it's from cassette. But, if they tell us straight up, then that's alright.

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on.

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain.

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't
know what they are doing anymore.

IstenSzek said:

Silvertongue7 said:

IstenSzek said:

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on.

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain.

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't
know what they are doing anymore.

I agree with this. I am so mad. I find this not even remotely interesting. After two freaking years the best that they could find is a 35 minute rehearsal with crappy sound quality and a pedestrian tracklist. This is not a stand alone release, this is disc five in a deluxe edition, or in a career-spanning box set with twenty other rehearsals. This is just a shit move.

So the estate is releasing basically cleaned up bootlegs. Trolling on the river.

IstenSzek said:

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on.

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain.

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't
know what they are doing anymore.

100% agree.

djThunderfunk said:

TwiliteKid said:

Yeah, the cassette source is referenced in the press release.

Then I'm cool with it. I don't like if they pretend something is sourced from "vault tapes" and won't admit it's from cassette. But, if they tell us straight up, then that's alright.

Even after they cleaned up Mary Don't U Weep, it is still garbled in several areas, a flaw that is predominantly inherent to cassette tapes as they degrade. I believe without much doubt that this is indeed sourced from a cassette tape. To bring it further, Prince was notorious for sitting down at the piano and using a cassette player in those days, in order to capture his inspirations immediately, and not having to set anything up. To bring it even further, this is basically an improvised 'session', rehearsal is probably an improper use for what this really is as he sat down at the piano, and played whatever was on his mind at that moment, as opposed to something that was pre-planned and pre-arranged, that he was trying to perfect. He surely had no intent of ever turning this into something more than it is nor ever releasing it to the public.

This is simply Prince walking by the piano, sitting down and letting his fingers and voice go wherever inspiration took him.

rdhull said: