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Reply #300 posted 06/08/18 12:16am

Sydney

Completely underwhelmed. I think this rehearsal has been out there for 20 + yrs in various quality and I still haven't listen to it! smile Not that at any level do I think it wont be superb cause Prince in the 80's was faultless but there is just so much more in that era that is more compelling. Roadhouse, Prince's Family orginals even the brilliant 83 & 84 Birthday shows with select outtakes from the period. I was counting down to September but maybe now it's only a slow Detroit crawl.

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Reply #301 posted 06/08/18 12:28am

udo

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Vannormal said:

et me tell you something dearest 'parents':

Stop protecting your kids from dissapointments in life.

They need to realise and know that reality is more then just Disney.

.

The training Dealing with Disappointments has been cancelled. lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #302 posted 06/08/18 12:33am

BlueShakooo

PurpleYoda3121 said:

I relistened to the boot today and I have to say, if there is a similar increase in quality for the rest of the tracks as there was for Mary Don't You Weep, it'll be like an entirely new album. I hear so much more in the officialy released Mary Don't You Weep. The sound quality on the rehearsal in Purple Rush 2 was just trash lol

I AGREE!!

But still: One 35-Minutes-release in a year a not enough!

And I don't care about silly picture booklets.

I want sound!

I want surprises!!

"Don't get too serious, it's just a dream."
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Reply #303 posted 06/08/18 12:41am

Phishanga

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KingSausage said:

Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here.

No.

You are right.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #304 posted 06/08/18 12:43am

amokeru

"Why The Butterflies / Mama" is one of the most haunting songs, IMHO.

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Reply #305 posted 06/08/18 1:04am

BlueShakooo

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work

I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.

Yes!

biggrin

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Reply #306 posted 06/08/18 1:11am

BlueShakooo

CrozzaUK said:

luvsexy4all said:

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Maybe. Maybe there was a will.

And it stated that it would be known that there was no will.

but really there was a 100 year plan.

of new prince releasees.

All which toiled with the emotions and hopes of his fans. just as he had for years.

that would defintely be a very prince thing to do.

biggrin biggrin biggrin

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Reply #307 posted 06/08/18 1:30am

brokenhearted1
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Asenath said:

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

THANK U!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #308 posted 06/08/18 1:33am

brokenhearted1
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databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.



Same here.

.

I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.

.


Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.

.

Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.

.

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).

.

My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.

I'm probably in the minority here of those who've never heard it before. I'm excited for this release because it's "new" to me. Preordered the LP/CD just a little while ago.

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Reply #309 posted 06/08/18 2:08am

master

BlueShakooo said:

PurpleYoda3121 said:

I relistened to the boot today and I have to say, if there is a similar increase in quality for the rest of the tracks as there was for Mary Don't You Weep, it'll be like an entirely new album. I hear so much more in the officialy released Mary Don't You Weep. The sound quality on the rehearsal in Purple Rush 2 was just trash lol

I AGREE!!

But still: One 35-Minutes-release in a year a not enough!

And I don't care about silly picture booklets.

I want sound!

I want surprises!!

You got that. right. you are getting dripfeed as little as possible. if they do release this stuff it should be half a cd on a 4cd set. Should've been a bonus with first avenue dvd or something like that.

Warners statementsare now laughable and always open to misinterpretation. I knew after last few releases how deceptive their statements are. Warners need to pack in now and give music over to someone else who can do a proper job. .

Regarding this release. i prefer a full band sound or studio recordings. Every advert on t.v they ruin classic 80s songs by turning them into little piano numbers. i blame x factor ,Ed sheeran etc, they like to do there versions were they strip all the fun out of songs and turn them into solo piano or accoustic guitar songs and marvel at how good they sound, stripped of all the fun. I find it sucks myself and sounds way inferior.( it gets boring and monotonous after a while).

Those crowing that they want these releases were they get one piece /like an historical document and add nothing else to cd are just playing into warners hands. They will love you .They want to give you little bits at a time. Give me the compilation of greatest unreleased prince songs anyday over this

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Reply #310 posted 06/08/18 3:00am

Vannormal

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udo said:



Vannormal said:


et me tell you something dearest 'parents':

Stop protecting your kids from dissapointments in life.


They need to realise and know that reality is more then just Disney.




.


The training Dealing with Disappointments has been cancelled. lol


Excellent ! biggrin
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Reply #311 posted 06/08/18 3:20am

djdaffy1227

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Ordered the CD/Album bundle. I've had the "Eavesdropping in intimate moments" for decades but I'm still happy to get this. Would I rather get some unknown gems? You bet! I've always liked studio outtakes better than rehearsals and live shows but I'll take what they give me! It's Prince! I'm happy just to have it!

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Reply #312 posted 06/08/18 3:27am

Robbajobba

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I can think of a few friends who'd consider themselves pretty serious Prince fans - they'd go to a couple of concerts on every tour, and to aftershows; they could lipsync entire albums - but they lost track of all the releases in the 90s/00s, they've never bought a boot and they'll definitely never have heard this before.

.

They will love this release - and if they don't buy it, someone will gift it to them. Classic tracks and some new ones, reinterpreted by the man himself at his peak. Can totally see the market for this - smart release by the Estate.

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Reply #313 posted 06/08/18 4:16am

jaypotton

BartVanHemelen said:



databank said:




As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work




.


I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.



For sure there are some people who have changed or evolved into prudes once they had their own kids but that is not the general message I am getting from a lot of those kind of posts in here...

I think there are a lot of people who want to respect where Prince was at by the time he died including his thinking on profanity and sexualised lyrics. The evidence was there that Prince was (not always consistently) censoring himself and his old work (such as extraloveable and the missing "rape lyric"). So in those people's minds the estate etc releasing things like We Can Fuck is disrespecting Prince as, they argue, he would not have released that (unchanged) if he were alive.

Personally while I can understand that POV it was never something I was happy with (Prince censoring himself) and I always wanted and hoped we would get the tracks from the vault unaltered and as intended at the time (only changes acceptable to me are sound quality type issues to resolve). For me they are snapshots of Prince as an artist at a moment in time and should be released as intended at that time...in that way (assuming we ever get to hear all of it) it is possible to track his evolution as an artist not only through the original releases but also the vault releases.

I never had this on boot so this will be new and fresh to me.

It does seem odd after the expectation and speculation we might/should get Piano and a Microphone 2016 to get this 83 release. If the 2016 show did get released it kind of creates a bookend to his career (though really that means we needed something from 77/78) so yeah, an odd choice but one I will buy even though I suspect it won't get played that much after the initial few weeks.
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Reply #314 posted 06/08/18 5:46am

MIRvmn

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brokenhearted1972 said:



databank said:




djThunderfunk said:


As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.





Same here.


.


I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.


.



Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.


.


Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.


.


As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).


.


My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.



I'm probably in the minority here of those who've never heard it before. I'm excited for this release because it's "new" to me. Preordered the LP/CD just a little while ago.


I have some bootlegs but not this one so it be new to me as well.
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Reply #315 posted 06/08/18 6:12am

OperatingTheta
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kbarso said:

This was released on bootleg more than 20 yeas ago. It is only 35 minutes. and $15.99 on CD. The reason that newer material is not being released is yhat Tital owns the newer material. This is a warner Bros. release. Why did no new album come out to day to celreate waht woul have been Prince's 60th birthday?



Tidal doesn't 'own' the newer material. They are owed one album of post- Warners material. Prince was delivering exclusive material to Tidal but he never signed his music over to them in terms of ownership.

To my awareness the Estate are free to use the post-Warners music as they will, particularly as the previous Universal deal for it is now null and void.
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Reply #316 posted 06/08/18 6:49am

databank

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jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.

For sure there are some people who have changed or evolved into prudes once they had their own kids but that is not the general message I am getting from a lot of those kind of posts in here... I think there are a lot of people who want to respect where Prince was at by the time he died including his thinking on profanity and sexualised lyrics. The evidence was there that Prince was (not always consistently) censoring himself and his old work (such as extraloveable and the missing "rape lyric"). So in those people's minds the estate etc releasing things like We Can Fuck is disrespecting Prince as, they argue, he would not have released that (unchanged) if he were alive. Personally while I can understand that POV it was never something I was happy with (Prince censoring himself) and I always wanted and hoped we would get the tracks from the vault unaltered and as intended at the time (only changes acceptable to me are sound quality type issues to resolve). For me they are snapshots of Prince as an artist at a moment in time and should be released as intended at that time...in that way (assuming we ever get to hear all of it) it is possible to track his evolution as an artist not only through the original releases but also the vault releases. I never had this on boot so this will be new and fresh to me. It does seem odd after the expectation and speculation we might/should get Piano and a Microphone 2016 to get this 83 release. If the 2016 show did get released it kind of creates a bookend to his career (though really that means we needed something from 77/78) so yeah, an odd choice but one I will buy even though I suspect it won't get played that much after the initial few weeks.

Prince was not censoring himself with Extraloveable. He totally reworked the song, the remake had a totally different mood than the original: even putting aside Prince's religious beliefs and the fact that in the social context on 2011 he would have been caught in a shitstorm with lyrics like this (while he might have gotten away with it in 1983), keeping that line in the new version would have been plain out of place from a pure artistic standpoint. The first version was all rage and frustration, the new one is about playful flirt. The original is all tension, the new one is pretty relaxed. Prince also deleted a verse in Large Room when he rerecorded in 2009, and he would do that quite often while reworking songs, removing some and adding some, it was not necessarily a matter of censoring himself.

.

Regarding "respecting where Prince was at by the time he died", it's pretty simple: he was about to release a PR remaster with uncensored lyrics on Nikki and Erotic City. Where Prince was was that he was past his integrist/fanatic JW period from the previous decade or so, and allowing his past self to be his past self while his present self had moved on. As long as "offensive" songs from 1983 are not labeled as being from 2013, and the audience is perfectly aware of when the material was recorded, I fail to see how releasing anything could be disrespectful.

In one of his last interviews, Prince said that a lot of what was in the vault probably wouldn't be released in his lifetime, but that other poeple will release it after he goes. He was aware of that.

There could be a case if we realise that a song has been purposedly deleted because the lyrics were too offensive, since it apparently happened sometimes, and we have to ask ourselves whether to release surviving copies that were in the hands of collectors.

Yet again, when we die, what we leave behind us doesn't belong to us anymore, it belongs to the living. Personal correspondance and diaries from all great artists have been published after they died. It's how it is.

And yet again, anything Prince did not release in his lifetime was, to some extent, because he didn't want to release it, so then if we're to be respectful maybe we should just burn all those tapes in the vault and be done with it, so that only what Prince chose to release is released. Maybe he would be outraged to see certain songs he deemed so bad he was ashamed of them released. IDK, for all we know maybe he hated the studio version of Electric Intercourse and he would never have released it, while he would have been cool releasing the overdubbed live version. At some point we just have to let go: Prince is gone, so either we release everything or we don't release anything at all.

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Reply #317 posted 06/08/18 7:25am

jaypotton

databank said:



jaypotton said:


BartVanHemelen said:


.


I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.



For sure there are some people who have changed or evolved into prudes once they had their own kids but that is not the general message I am getting from a lot of those kind of posts in here... I think there are a lot of people who want to respect where Prince was at by the time he died including his thinking on profanity and sexualised lyrics. The evidence was there that Prince was (not always consistently) censoring himself and his old work (such as extraloveable and the missing "rape lyric"). So in those people's minds the estate etc releasing things like We Can Fuck is disrespecting Prince as, they argue, he would not have released that (unchanged) if he were alive. Personally while I can understand that POV it was never something I was happy with (Prince censoring himself) and I always wanted and hoped we would get the tracks from the vault unaltered and as intended at the time (only changes acceptable to me are sound quality type issues to resolve). For me they are snapshots of Prince as an artist at a moment in time and should be released as intended at that time...in that way (assuming we ever get to hear all of it) it is possible to track his evolution as an artist not only through the original releases but also the vault releases. I never had this on boot so this will be new and fresh to me. It does seem odd after the expectation and speculation we might/should get Piano and a Microphone 2016 to get this 83 release. If the 2016 show did get released it kind of creates a bookend to his career (though really that means we needed something from 77/78) so yeah, an odd choice but one I will buy even though I suspect it won't get played that much after the initial few weeks.

Prince was not censoring himself with Extraloveable. He totally reworked the song, the remake had a totally different mood than the original: even putting aside Prince's religious beliefs and the fact that in the social context on 2011 he would have been caught in a shitstorm with lyrics like this (while he might have gotten away with it in 1983), keeping that line in the new version would have been plain out of place from a pure artistic standpoint. The first version was all rage and frustration, the new one is about playful flirt. The original is all tension, the new one is pretty relaxed. Prince also deleted a verse in Large Room when he rerecorded in 2009, and he would do that quite often while reworking songs, removing some and adding some, it was not necessarily a matter of censoring himself.


.


Regarding "respecting where Prince was at by the time he died", it's pretty simple: he was about to release a PR remaster with uncensored lyrics on Nikki and Erotic City. Where Prince was was that he was past his integrist/fanatic JW period from the previous decade or so, and allowing his past self to be his past self while his present self had moved on. As long as "offensive" songs from 1983 are not labeled as being from 2013, and the audience is perfectly aware of when the material was recorded, I fail to see how releasing anything could be disrespectful.


In one of his last interviews, Prince said that a lot of what was in the vault probably wouldn't be released in his lifetime, but that other poeple will release it after he goes. He was aware of that.


There could be a case if we realise that a song has been purposedly deleted because the lyrics were too offensive, since it apparently happened sometimes, and we have to ask ourselves whether to release surviving copies that were in the hands of collectors.


Yet again, when we die, what we leave behind us doesn't belong to us anymore, it belongs to the living. Personal correspondance and diaries from all great artists have been published after they died. It's how it is.


And yet again, anything Prince did not release in his lifetime was, to some extent, because he didn't want to release it, so then if we're to be respectful maybe we should just burn all those tapes in the vault and be done with it, so that only what Prince chose to release is released. Maybe he would be outraged to see certain songs he deemed so bad he was ashamed of them released. IDK, for all we know maybe he hated the studio version of Electric Intercourse and he would never have released it, while he would have been cool releasing the overdubbed live version. At some point we just have to let go: Prince is gone, so either we release everything or we don't release anything at all.



So basically what you are saying is that we are in agreement? I was not saying that was my opinion and thought that was clear. I was saying that some of the folks who are complaining about certain songs being released as recorded with sexualised lyrics or profanity believe Prince would not have done so if alive. In THEIR mind it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter if they might not be as informed as you or perhaps others. They believe this is not what Prince would do, hence their complaints.

Personally I don't agree and it appears nor do you.

I want to music released as it was recorded, a snapshot in time.

With regard to censoring himself. Hmmm not sure I agree with you there. Certainly there was a relaxation towards the end and the odd swear word crept back in as did a self respect for his back catalogue not needing to be changed. But as you mention, when Prince became a full blown JW at the turn of the millennium there was a seismic change in his views for several years. As I said though, he wasn't consistent with this.

Prince would have "fun" by NOT singing certain words live during his more salacious songs. Pulling his funky face at the audience if they carried on singing. It was all very self aware and funny (at first).

Edit: oh and of course extraloveable is a reworked song with a different vibe, I know that! But those same folks I am commenting on would see his exclusion of certain lyrics as a form of self censorship.

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[Edited 6/8/18 7:29am]
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Reply #318 posted 06/08/18 7:39am

databank

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jaypotton said:

databank said:

Prince was not censoring himself with Extraloveable. He totally reworked the song, the remake had a totally different mood than the original: even putting aside Prince's religious beliefs and the fact that in the social context on 2011 he would have been caught in a shitstorm with lyrics like this (while he might have gotten away with it in 1983), keeping that line in the new version would have been plain out of place from a pure artistic standpoint. The first version was all rage and frustration, the new one is about playful flirt. The original is all tension, the new one is pretty relaxed. Prince also deleted a verse in Large Room when he rerecorded in 2009, and he would do that quite often while reworking songs, removing some and adding some, it was not necessarily a matter of censoring himself.

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Regarding "respecting where Prince was at by the time he died", it's pretty simple: he was about to release a PR remaster with uncensored lyrics on Nikki and Erotic City. Where Prince was was that he was past his integrist/fanatic JW period from the previous decade or so, and allowing his past self to be his past self while his present self had moved on. As long as "offensive" songs from 1983 are not labeled as being from 2013, and the audience is perfectly aware of when the material was recorded, I fail to see how releasing anything could be disrespectful.

In one of his last interviews, Prince said that a lot of what was in the vault probably wouldn't be released in his lifetime, but that other poeple will release it after he goes. He was aware of that.

There could be a case if we realise that a song has been purposedly deleted because the lyrics were too offensive, since it apparently happened sometimes, and we have to ask ourselves whether to release surviving copies that were in the hands of collectors.

Yet again, when we die, what we leave behind us doesn't belong to us anymore, it belongs to the living. Personal correspondance and diaries from all great artists have been published after they died. It's how it is.

And yet again, anything Prince did not release in his lifetime was, to some extent, because he didn't want to release it, so then if we're to be respectful maybe we should just burn all those tapes in the vault and be done with it, so that only what Prince chose to release is released. Maybe he would be outraged to see certain songs he deemed so bad he was ashamed of them released. IDK, for all we know maybe he hated the studio version of Electric Intercourse and he would never have released it, while he would have been cool releasing the overdubbed live version. At some point we just have to let go: Prince is gone, so either we release everything or we don't release anything at all.

So basically what you are saying is that we are in agreement? I was not saying that was my opinion and thought that was clear. I was saying that some of the folks who are complaining about certain songs being released as recorded with sexualised lyrics or profanity believe Prince would not have done so if alive. In THEIR mind it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter if they might not be as informed as you or perhaps others. They believe this is not what Prince would do, hence their complaints. Personally I don't agree and it appears nor do you. I want to music released as it was recorded, a snapshot in time. With regard to censoring himself. Hmmm not sure I agree with you there. Certainly there was a relaxation towards the end and the odd swear word crept back in as did a self respect for his back catalogue not needing to be changed. But as you mention, when Prince became a full blown JW at the turn of the millennium there was a seismic change in his views for several years. As I said though, he wasn't consistent with this. Prince would have "fun" by NOT singing certain words live during his more salacious songs. Pulling his funky face at the audience if they carried on singing. It was all very self aware and funny (at first). Edit: oh and of course extraloveable is a reworked song with a different vibe, I know that! But those same folks I am commenting on would see his exclusion of certain lyrics as a form of self censorship. [Edited 6/8/18 7:26am] [Edited 6/8/18 7:29am]

You were clear and we are absolutely in agreement nod My argumentation was aimed at those who disagree with us, not you. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough hug

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Prince absolutely censored himself on stage by avoiding certain words and certain songs, he said explicitely that he wanted his shows to be family friendly, and there are certain things he wouldn't have sang anymore in the studio. But regarding past material I think he was cooling down. Morris addressed this in his Peach N Black interview, how Prince asked him to edit past songs for potential reissues and how Morris talked him out of this nonsense.

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Reply #319 posted 06/08/18 7:47am

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BONUS DISC

Did they forget to put this on the purple rain delux release? Gutted
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Reply #320 posted 06/08/18 8:00am

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@databank ah cool wasn't sure.

Back on topic... While I personally would not have had this release in my top ten wish list, it does achieve a few things that are (possibly) quite positive:

1. It is unaltered (well we know for sure 7 songs are unaltered) meaning we are getting what Prince recorded not somebody else's interpretation.

2. That (possibly) shows that all involved (estate, Warners, Troy etc) are not intending on tinkering and will respect the legacy.

3. That we will see the vault material as a snapshot in time (albeit in as good a sound quality as they can make it).

Personally this is all great for me as that would be my wish. I remain really worried they will be tempted to update or bring in "guest producers" or "guest vocalists" to "finish" songs.

It is such a dreadful shame we no longer have Prince so the best I can hope for is that we get more of his work as he intended (or in its current state in the vault). That way we can continue to share in HIS genius rather than have to suffer anyone else's "artistic vision"
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Reply #321 posted 06/08/18 8:03am

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I guess I gotta have this. When Prince was among the living, I routinely voiced my disappointment over new releases. These days, any reminder that he existed will do.

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Reply #322 posted 06/08/18 8:22am

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jaypotton said:

@databank ah cool wasn't sure. Back on topic... While I personally would not have had this release in my top ten wish list, it does achieve a few things that are (possibly) quite positive: 1. It is unaltered (well we know for sure 7 songs are unaltered) meaning we are getting what Prince recorded not somebody else's interpretation. 2. That (possibly) shows that all involved (estate, Warners, Troy etc) are not intending on tinkering and will respect the legacy. 3. That we will see the vault material as a snapshot in time (albeit in as good a sound quality as they can make it). Personally this is all great for me as that would be my wish. I remain really worried they will be tempted to update or bring in "guest producers" or "guest vocalists" to "finish" songs. It is such a dreadful shame we no longer have Prince so the best I can hope for is that we get more of his work as he intended (or in its current state in the vault). That way we can continue to share in HIS genius rather than have to suffer anyone else's "artistic vision"

This is reassuring indeed. Tinkering with OD/RG and NC2U really wasn't acceptable.

Hopefully, they won't do it again.

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Reply #323 posted 06/08/18 8:27am

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Dazza said:

BONUS DISC Did they forget to put this on the purple rain delux release? Gutted

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Nice theory.

They lied about the PR remaster.

And not just about the number of discs.

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My feeling is that this 1983 release will be what it is due to its simplicity.

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Reply #324 posted 06/08/18 9:10am

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JorisE73 said:

I for one am glad they release this because this will be an upgrade to the bootleg for most of us who don't have acces to what 'elite' traders have.


This could be a step in the right direction to beat the bootleggers.


Maybe this also means that Tidal will release Piano & A Microphone 2016?


I'm only familiar with Intimate Moments Revisited and on that one 17 Days fades in, maybe this one will be complete.
I actually don't mind the tape hiss if that will preserve all the sounds you hear.




The “elite traders” have stuff that’s way better than this. Also, this boot has been easy to find for decades.
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Reply #325 posted 06/08/18 9:13am

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Phishanga said:



KingSausage said:


Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here.



No.



You are right.




Of course.
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Reply #326 posted 06/08/18 9:26am

walkez20

This has always been one of my favourites!!! I may be on my own here,but this recording in this quality has been something ive always wanted.. i love this ,really bluesy great versions of songs , im really exited for this
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Reply #327 posted 06/08/18 9:48am

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The quality song of MARY DON'T U WEEP in Flac is shit....performance is great but quality is like my ass making noise !

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Reply #328 posted 06/08/18 9:50am

camilleisfunky

Does the 35 minute release include all the songs that he performed that we've had for ages now? I thought Purple Music was included in the bootleg, but is not listed on the cd track list. Sorry if this was already discussed, I didn't have a chance to read all the pages in the thread.

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Reply #329 posted 06/08/18 9:53am

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camilleisfunky said:

Does the 35 minute release include all the songs that he performed that we've had for ages now? I thought Purple Music was included in the bootleg, but is not listed on the cd track list. Sorry if this was already discussed, I didn't have a chance to read all the pages in the thread.

PM and those 2 other untitled tracks are from 1982. Always bootlegged together but not the same session.

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