I was with you Pete, till you dissed Mia Zapata from the Gits wandering off drunk. Yeah, she was young and stupid but she was walking home when she got nailed by an itinerant serial rapist and murderer who was found years later through DNA. Cmon, don't think that was her fault.
it's sad, and i knew someone would come on here to say that, but just use your head, don't go walking around drunk in the middle of the night, it's just asking for trouble. YOU have to look out for yourself, all the "agendas" in the world are not going to be there helping you out when you're alone. I think different though, which is the same reason I never followed the crowd whether they thought drugs and drink were cool, being sloppy and stinky were cool, i never went with any of that shit. It's a loss, the gits had some marvelous music and Mia was a charismatic, loveable person, i'm not gloating over it, i'm just being realistic. Same with the druggies, i don't want to see them od, but be realistic, if you screw around with heroin it's a good possibility, just don't paint me as the bad guy when i tell you. Also, i heard a rumour, that Mia's "best friend" who i knew, had witnessed her being carried away and didn't report it because she was a heroin dealer, whether that's true or not i don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Good on you Pete for sticking to what you know is right. So few artists have the moral strength to resist all the temptations of the music scene... Sadly young people often equate rebellion with drinking and drug taking but in reality they just follow the crowds and add to the number of victims of the traps associated with the self-destructive 'rock n' roll' path.
A great reason to outlaw tobacco, IMHO. It won't ever happen, but it would if I was the king.
Incredibly, we (the USA) would save more lives each year if we outlawed tobacco than if we outlawed all the guns. In the USA, about 12 times as many people die from smoking each year than from guns.
I'm with you, but of you outlaw it, it goes underground like the other drugs, so that's not the solution. It's better if you try to push it back as much as possible. Recently, a Dutch supermarket chain (Lidl) announced that they are going to stop selling tobacco. That's a better way to go.
That's a really good move from them! Lidl is German btw, not Dutch... We have them in the UK too. I can't believe we are talking about Lidl on Prince.org
I know Lidl is German, but I don't know if they're doing the same in Germany. That's why I said that way.
That's a really good move from them! Lidl is German btw, not Dutch... We have them in the UK too. I can't believe we are talking about Lidl on Prince.org
I know Lidl is German, but I don't know if they're doing the same in Germany. That's why I said that way.
Ah yeah, I see what you mean, I don't know either. I don't think they sell tobacco in their UK stores, but I wouldn't know for sure since I don't smoke.
Interestingly enough, they have recently started selling weed in Switzerland:
Switzerland allows the sale of cannabis to over 18s so long as it contains no more than 1% of THC – the psychoactive substance that gets you ‘high’. Lidl’s range of products, from local Swiss supplier The Botanicals, are not designed to give a strong ‘high’, but to make people feel relaxed.
How many collaborations with while, male Popstars did Prince do during his career? The answer is none. Smoking or not smoking this collaboration wouldn´t have happend anyway. Albarn has written some good songs and a collaboration could have been interesting but I guess it was just not Princes thing do collaborate with people like him which is a shame.
Jamming and collaboration are not the same thing, Prince jammed with plenty of white men, even Adam Levine has a story of jamming with Prince. All Damon says is he was invited to "go and play with Prince", everything after that is speculation. A collaboration would have been interesting but one of the reasons it'd be interesting is because Damon is so strong-willed as well, so it's no surprise it never even got off the ground.
That's a really good move from them! Lidl is German btw, not Dutch... We have them in the UK too. I can't believe we are talking about Lidl on Prince.org
I know Lidl is German, but I don't know if they're doing the same in Germany. That's why I said that way.
Ah yeah, I see what you mean, I don't know either. I don't think they sell tobacco in their UK stores, but I wouldn't know for sure since I don't smoke.
Interestingly enough, they have recently started selling weed in Switzerland:
Switzerland allows the sale of cannabis to over 18s so long as it contains no more than 1% of THC – the psychoactive substance that gets you ‘high’. Lidl’s range of products, from local Swiss supplier The Botanicals, are not designed to give a strong ‘high’, but to make people feel relaxed.
How many collaborations with while, male Popstars did Prince do during his career? The answer is none. Smoking or not smoking this collaboration wouldn´t have happend anyway. Albarn has written some good songs and a collaboration could have been interesting but I guess it was just not Princes thing do collaborate with people like him which is a shame.
Jamming and collaboration are not the same thing, Prince jammed with plenty of white men, even Adam Levine has a story of jamming with Prince. All Damon says is he was invited to "go and play with Prince", everything after that is speculation. A collaboration would have been interesting but one of the reasons it'd be interesting is because Damon is so strong-willed as well, so it's no surprise it never even got off the ground.
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Your right jamming and collaborating is not the same thing. But if it was just jamming then we most likely wouldn´t have heard the results anyway because they would have ended up in the vault. So no need to get excited for us about them working together.
By the way: I am not sure but I remember an incident in the 90s when Blur wanted to visit an aftershow party held by Prince in some english nightclub. Prince advised his people to refuse entry to the band because he did not like them or did not like some things they said about him. If this was true than it sounds even less likely that he later wanted to jam with Damon Albarn.
Does anyone else remember that incident? I think I read about this in the english music press.
Jamming and collaboration are not the same thing, Prince jammed with plenty of white men, even Adam Levine has a story of jamming with Prince. All Damon says is he was invited to "go and play with Prince", everything after that is speculation. A collaboration would have been interesting but one of the reasons it'd be interesting is because Damon is so strong-willed as well, so it's no surprise it never even got off the ground.
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Your right jamming and collaborating is not the same thing. But if it was just jamming then we most likely wouldn´t have heard the results anyway because they would have ended up in the vault. So no need to get excited for us about them working together.
By the way: I am not sure but I remember an incident in the 90s when Blur wanted to visit an aftershow party held by Prince in some english nightclub. Prince advised his people to refuse entry to the band because he did not like them or did not like some things they said about him. If this was true than it sounds even less likely that he later wanted to jam with Damon Albarn.
Does anyone else remember that incident? I think I read about this in the english music press.
I remember something like that alright, it'd be circa Dave making fun of Prince's Slave face.
I'd say the jamming invitiation happened circa Gorillaz rather than circa 90's Blur, it'd make sense that Prince would want to jam with someone with the respect Albarn has had in recent years - especially with his collaborations - rather than just with the latest English press darling blow-ins. Also Gorillaz worked with Hypnotic Brass Ensemble, who worked with Prince... that might be the connection. Can't say for sure.
I agree we would likely never have heard anything, but we just don't know.
for all my many faults, the one thing i did right in my life was never, never, never touch any of it. I guess some people can't take all the financial pressures and work pressures along with the alienation it causes and just have to do something, i do know it's rampant, affecting all classes and peoples. I hate the stuff, hate it even more every time i lose another hero for senseless reasons.
CherryMoon57 said:
PeteSilas said:
it's sad, and i knew someone would come on here to say that, but just use your head, don't go walking around drunk in the middle of the night, it's just asking for trouble. YOU have to look out for yourself, all the "agendas" in the world are not going to be there helping you out when you're alone. I think different though, which is the same reason I never followed the crowd whether they thought drugs and drink were cool, being sloppy and stinky were cool, i never went with any of that shit. It's a loss, the gits had some marvelous music and Mia was a charismatic, loveable person, i'm not gloating over it, i'm just being realistic. Same with the druggies, i don't want to see them od, but be realistic, if you screw around with heroin it's a good possibility, just don't paint me as the bad guy when i tell you. Also, i heard a rumour, that Mia's "best friend" who i knew, had witnessed her being carried away and didn't report it because she was a heroin dealer, whether that's true or not i don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Good on you Pete for sticking to what you know is right. So few artists have the moral strength to resist all the temptations of the music scene... Sadly young people often equate rebellion with drinking and drug taking but in reality they just follow the crowds and add to the number of victims of the traps associated with the self-destructive 'rock n' roll' path.
Yes of course he worked with white motherfuckers but not with those that were big stars. Maybe he feared the competition? I don´t know. At some point in time there were rumors about him working with Morrissey, Beck or Trent Reznor. We all know that never happend either.
The Trent Reznor thing was pretty big news around the time Come was released, so that was more than just a rumor. Prince wanted him to remix Loose. But Prince snubbed Reznor approached him to shake his hand an introduce himself and then Reznor did a 180 and that was that. An asshole move from Prince, but somehow funny
was it really an asshole move? Or was prince just that antisocial, I know many people have accused me of being anti social just because I'm softspoken, I say "hi" when people say hi to me but sometimes not with enough enthusiasm and sometimes people get pissed like you disrespected them. That's really more there problem than mine I think. Trent had said that it offended his appalachian sensibilities, which i guess meant that where he was from people were friendlier but he should know that ain't everyone from the same place, some of us, musicians especially, are wary of people either because we have a natural inclination for being schizoid or because of life experience or both. I hear stories of people who go through horrible things and they don't like being around people afterwards, it always makes perfect sense when i hear that.
Your right jamming and collaborating is not the same thing. But if it was just jamming then we most likely wouldn´t have heard the results anyway because they would have ended up in the vault. So no need to get excited for us about them working together.
By the way: I am not sure but I remember an incident in the 90s when Blur wanted to visit an aftershow party held by Prince in some english nightclub. Prince advised his people to refuse entry to the band because he did not like them or did not like some things they said about him. If this was true than it sounds even less likely that he later wanted to jam with Damon Albarn.
Does anyone else remember that incident? I think I read about this in the english music press.
I remember something like that alright, it'd be circa Dave making fun of Prince's Slave face.
I'd say the jamming invitiation happened circa Gorillaz rather than circa 90's Blur, it'd make sense that Prince would want to jam with someone with the respect Albarn has had in recent years - especially with his collaborations - rather than just with the latest English press darling blow-ins. Also Gorillaz worked with Hypnotic Brass Ensemble, who worked with Prince... that might be the connection. Can't say for sure.
I agree we would likely never have heard anything, but we just don't know.
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Yes that would make sense. In the interview he says that it was after a gig they did in Minneapolis, so if not during May 1992, it may have been during the Think Tank tour in July 2003. But then again it could also have been in 1995 (they had a gig at First Avenue in October). Their notoriety was getting stronger and their musical style would have been in line with Prince's outbursts on the Crystal Ball album (I'm thinking Da Bang, Poom Poom, Interactive, What's My Name etc). They even had a song called 'Bang' lol... All speculations of course.
Because P saw Blur perform Girls and Boys at the Brit Awards 1994, and he obviously liked what he heard. Despite the fact Damon can't really sing, live.
P really dug contemporary R'n'B, if we're to take a recent sample of albums he enjoyed listening to from one of his last interviews... Will Smith's kids, Beyonce and that top-heavy beat stuff, which P himself mastered back in the 80s
Now if he had mistakenly believed all indy music sounded like the killers or idk kaiser chiefs, that would have been doubly disappointing.
The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
Because P saw Blur perform Girls and Boys at the Brit Awards 1994, and he obviously liked what he heard. Despite the fact Damon can't really sing, live.
P really dug contemporary R'n'B, if we're to take a recent sample of albums he enjoyed listening to from one of his last interviews... Will Smith's kids, Beyonce and that top-heavy beat stuff, which P himself mastered back in the 80s
Now if he had mistakenly believed all indy music sounded like the killers or idk kaiser chiefs, that would have been doubly disappointing.
But Damon is not just about indie music. He has also always loved (and experimented with) Gospel, R 'n' B, Rap, African and Oriental music. He even named his daughter 'Missy' (after Missy Elliott).
Because P saw Blur perform Girls and Boys at the Brit Awards 1994, and he obviously liked what he heard. Despite the fact Damon can't really sing, live.
P really dug contemporary R'n'B, if we're to take a recent sample of albums he enjoyed listening to from one of his last interviews... Will Smith's kids, Beyonce and that top-heavy beat stuff, which P himself mastered back in the 80s
Now if he had mistakenly believed all indy music sounded like the killers or idk kaiser chiefs, that would have been doubly disappointing.
But Damon is not just about indie music. He has also always loved (and experimented with) Gospel, R 'n' B, Rap, African and Oriental music. He even named his daughter 'Missy' (after Missy Elliott).
Yes, that's kinda my point. Hoping P didn't think all rock/indy band sounded pretty much the same, as there's a lot of breadth to the genre. And maybe stating the obvious, but if your influences are eclectic like Damon's are, then your music is going to reflect that.
The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
But Damon is not just about indie music. He has also always loved (and experimented with) Gospel, R 'n' B, Rap, African and Oriental music. He even named his daughter 'Missy' (after Missy Elliott).
Yes, that's kinda my point. Hoping P didn't think all rock/indy band sounded pretty much the same, as there's a lot of breadth to the genre. And maybe stating the obvious, but if your influences are eclectic like Damon's are, then your music is going to reflect that.
How many collaborations with while, male Popstars did Prince do during his career? The answer is none. Smoking or not smoking this collaboration wouldn´t have happend anyway. Albarn has written some good songs and a collaboration could have been interesting but I guess it was just not Princes thing do collaborate with people like him which is a shame.
Madonna, Kylie, Lenny, Kendrick Lamar and so on only most of it went straight to the vault.
What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
Because P saw Blur perform Girls and Boys at the Brit Awards 1994, and he obviously liked what he heard. Despite the fact Damon can't really sing, live.
P really dug contemporary R'n'B, if we're to take a recent sample of albums he enjoyed listening to from one of his last interviews... Will Smith's kids, Beyonce and that top-heavy beat stuff, which P himself mastered back in the 80s
Now if he had mistakenly believed all indy music sounded like the killers or idk kaiser chiefs, that would have been doubly disappointing.
But Damon is not just about indie music. He has also always loved (and experimented with) Gospel, R 'n' B, Rap, African and Oriental music. He even named his daughter 'Missy' (after Missy Elliott).
But those influences didn't show until about the fifth, sixth Blur album and into Gorillaz and solo. Albarn reinvented himself with Gorillaz and it was genius for a guy that I would say has not aged the best to create a cartoon band. Early Blur is hardcore British and then after the Great Escape they ditched that sound. What I'd say people don't get is Parklife and the single "Girls and Boys" were ace.
What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
But Damon is not just about indie music. He has also always loved (and experimented with) Gospel, R 'n' B, Rap, African and Oriental music. He even named his daughter 'Missy' (after Missy Elliott).
But those influences didn't show until about the fifth, sixth Blur album and into Gorillaz and solo. Albarn reinvented himself with Gorillaz and it was genius for a guy that I would say has not aged the best to create a cartoon band. Early Blur is hardcore British and then after the Great Escape they ditched that sound. What I'd say people don't get is Parklife and the single "Girls and Boys" were ace.
Yeah I'm with you, but that only goes for what they'd officially recorded. Damon originally comes from such a creatively diverse family who listened to massively varied ranges of music; he already had all that diversity in him. Some of this did actually start to emerge in some live performances (circa 1995), with the inclusion of a brass section and gospel background vocals as the band slowly shifted from the purely 'Brit' pop towards more soulful and colourful sounds...
I am sure Prince would have picked up on this. Prince himself was always very inclusive in the genres he associated with anyway so they wouldn't have had to sound like him for him to like them. Personally I think it was 'Parklife' that got his attention. And as you said maybe also their biggest hit at the time (Girls & Boys), if only because of the name. The possibilities are certainly not lacking.
This video is somewhat reminiscent of the movie 'Under The Cherry Moon' and various versions of the song were released together with remixes of 'Girls & Boys' (coincidence?). That was in 1994.
Its a weird one, Prince's 90's music shows zero awareness of what was going on outside US R'n'B and Hip-Hop, some club music and maybe a bit of US alt-rock. It's an intriguing idea that he was actually listening to Britpop - i'm trying to imagine him sitting around trying to make sense of someone like Sleeper - bitchy songs about London cliques can't have meant a lot to him
Comparing tour dates it seems the only time Gorillaz played Minneapolis was in 2010, the day before Prince was leaving on a european tour so it seems unlikely it was that date (or does it? Maybe he was killing time before his flight in rehearsal at Paisley at that time?). Blur completely sank in the US market until Song 2 and their connection with Prince at the 1995 Brit awards was purely a negative one so can't imagine if it was the 1995 tour, I suppose the 2003 dates makes sense? huh
CherryMoon57 said: But those influences didn't show until about the fifth, sixth Blur album and into Gorillaz and solo. Albarn reinvented himself with Gorillaz and it was genius for a guy that I would say has not aged the best to create a cartoon band. Early Blur is hardcore British and then after the Great Escape they ditched that sound. What I'd say people don't get is Parklife and the single "Girls and Boys" were ace.
Yeah I'm with you, but that only goes for what they'd officially recorded. Damon originally comes from such a creatively diverse family who listened to massively varied ranges of music; he already had all that diversity in him. Some of this did actually start to emerge in some live performances (circa 1995), with the inclusion of a brass section and gospel background vocals as the band slowly shifted from the purely 'Brit' pop towards more soulful and colourful sounds...
I am sure Prince would have picked up on this. Prince himself was always very inclusive in the genres he associated with anyway so they wouldn't have had to sound like him for him to like them. Personally I think it was 'Parklife' that got his attention. And as you said maybe also their biggest hit at the time (Girls & Boys), if only because of the name. The possibilities are certainly not lacking.
This video is somewhat reminiscent of the movie 'Under The Cherry Moon' and various versions of the song were released together with remixes of 'Girls & Boys' (coincidence?). That was in 1994.
Parklife is also a strong album from start to finish. For me it is still Albarns best recording. They did sort of mess up for a time trying to make a part 2 with the Great Escape and actually, the use of horns really made them look weak against Oasis. The band around TGE was viewed as a joke by many. Gorllaz were cool but after Blur(97) no good Blur album until Kaiser Chiefs Employment which has Blur British sound from start to finish. After Blur 1997, they started to be less of a band and would go in and jam and producers would take bits and pieces and pin together to create songs, that started on 13. The early stuff was cohesive songs, no studio magic.
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The Great Escape and 13 are tied for my favourite Blur albums but really anything from Modern Life is Rubbish up to 13 is my favourite when i'm listening to it at the time, it's a damn good run. Think Tank has it's moments as well, Out of Time is beautiful
Its a weird one, Prince's 90's music shows zero awareness of what was going on outside US R'n'B and Hip-Hop and maybe a bit of US alt-rock. It's an intriguing idea that he was actually listening to Britpop - i'm trying to imagine him sitting around trying to make sense of someone like Sleeper - bitchy songs about London cliques can't have meant a lot to him
Comparing tour dates it seems the only time Gorillaz played Minneapolis was in 2010, the day before Prince was leaving on a european tour so it seems unlikely it was that date (or does it? Maybe he was killing time before his flight in rehearsal at Paisley at that time?). Blur completely sank in the US market until Song 2 and their connection with Prince at the 1995 Brit awards was purely a negative one so can't imagine if it was the 1995 tour, I suppose the 2003 dates makes sense? huh
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He probably knew of Girls and Boys that was difficult to avoid if watched any video channels around 94. I just would be shocked that Albarn would decline over cigs at an older age. Anyone into music would know Blur vs Oasis around time but yeah he probably didn't know about a lot of other bands because there were like 100s.
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He probably knew of Girls and Boys that was difficult to avoid if watched any video channels around 94. I just would be shocked that Albarn would decline over cigs at an older age. Anyone into music would know Blur vs Oasis around time but yeah he probably didn't know about a lot of other bands because there were like 100s.
Well that's the question, did he invite Blur or did he invite Damon? We know he jammed with No Doubt so he definitely did stuff with bands but the story implies it was just Damon.
I could see Damon turning Prince down any year if he wasn't comfortable with what was being offered, Damon loves collaborating but I can't see him doing it on other peoples terms. Like he said, he wants to be comfortable or nothing good will come of it, if back then smoking helped him create then it makes perfect sense that he turned down Prince.
It'd be like inviting Prince and saying "now, no God talk."
He probably knew of Girls and Boys that was difficult to avoid if watched any video channels around 94. I just would be shocked that Albarn would decline over cigs at an older age. Anyone into music would know Blur vs Oasis around time but yeah he probably didn't know about a lot of other bands because there were like 100s.
Well that's the question, did he invite Blur or did he invite Damon? We know he jammed with No Doubt so he definitely did stuff with bands but the story implies it was just Damon.
I could see Damon turning Prince down any year if he wasn't comfortable with what was being offered, Damon loves collaborating but I can't see him doing it on other peoples terms. Like he said, he wants to be comfortable or nothing good will come of it, if back then smoking helped him create then it makes perfect sense that he turned down Prince.
It'd be like inviting Prince and saying "now, no God talk."
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Would be easy to ask Albarn and find out. Funny I think of Blur as not a band post Song 2. Drama and more of a bunch of guys that didn't like each other and business but then odd enough they patched it up in recent years, which is rare and nice to see. My friends band played US on some first shows in USA and have stories. I also knew a could people involved with SBK records. SBK really didn't know how to manage bands. The label was more or less a start up to make someone bank. I just would think Albarn would be a dumbass for not at least trying especially when he was in late 90s, even if no release became of it and probably it would have been vaulted as Prince knew Albarn was not free. Early touring Blur faught all the time, the crew were dicks but can't blame them they didn't know where they were.
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Jamming and collaboration are not the same thing, Prince jammed with plenty of white men, even Adam Levine has a story of jamming with Prince. All Damon says is he was invited to "go and play with Prince", everything after that is speculation. A collaboration would have been interesting but one of the reasons it'd be interesting is because Damon is so strong-willed as well, so it's no surprise it never even got off the ground.
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Your right jamming and collaborating is not the same thing. But if it was just jamming then we most likely wouldn´t have heard the results anyway because they would have ended up in the vault. So no need to get excited for us about them working together.
By the way: I am not sure but I remember an incident in the 90s when Blur wanted to visit an aftershow party held by Prince in some english nightclub. Prince advised his people to refuse entry to the band because he did not like them or did not like some things they said about him. If this was true than it sounds even less likely that he later wanted to jam with Damon Albarn.
Does anyone else remember that incident? I think I read about this in the english music press.
IIRC Blur were sat at a table near Prince at that Brit Awards, and spent the night throwing bread rolls at his table. Later that week they tried to get into a Prince Aftershow, only to be met with a bag of bread rolls handed to them by the bouncers. I hope that story is true. That's what I remember reading somewhere.
Would be easy to ask Albarn and find out. Funny I think of Blur as not a band post Song 2. Drama and more of a bunch of guys that didn't like each other and business but then odd enough they patched it up in recent years, which is rare and nice to see. My friends band played US on some first shows in USA and have stories. I also knew a could people involved with SBK records. SBK really didn't know how to manage bands. The label was more or less a start up to make someone bank. I just would think Albarn would be a dumbass for not at least trying especially when he was in late 90s, even if no release became of it and probably it would have been vaulted as Prince knew Albarn was not free. Early touring Blur faught all the time, the crew were dicks but can't blame them they didn't know where they were.
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Have you ever watched Starshaped, the documentary about Blur's early years? It's mostly footage of them drunkenly falling off tour busses and throwing up, Damon breaks his foot onstage at one point, i'd imagine it captures those early years fairly well.
You're not wrong, turning down Prince is something anyone is going to regret, but sure that's life, you have to have some regrets.
milesb said:
IIRC Blur were sat at a table near Prince at that Brit Awards, and spent the night throwing bread rolls at his table. Later that week they tried to get into a Prince Aftershow, only to be met with a bag of bread rolls handed to them by the bouncers. I hope that story is true. That's what I remember reading somewhere.
^I have Star-shaped somewhere on dvd. Early on they were portrayed as a boy band kind of trying to gain female following but they were different live. That was all SBKs marketing strategy. In some ways that sort of made them what they became with brit sound. Even up to The Great Escape they had a large female following in states. Early Blur was loud, like the Who playing a small club.
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I dont care if Prince demanded that you show up in a diaper, socks with sandals and a ball gag. You show up for the opportunity to work with one of the greatest musicians ever. Its fucking insulting. Show some respect and dont smoke in someones house that doesnt smoke themselves.
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