love2thenines2003 said:

on these piano jams; Prince is humming while playing (contrary to the other piano rehearsals which "leaked" before) - I can recognize an embryonic version of "Raspberry Beret" - very nice

what's the consensus now with these instrumental piano demos (there was "Raspberry Beret" too), but some people said that it was fake or someone trying to play like Prince since these were pure instrumentals and at no time we hear Prince's humming some melody while playing.

Furthermore the piano sounds different (the instrumental piano demos - the piano sounds much more like an electric piano with a piano sound) - whereas here it sounds like a real grand piano (not keyboard with piano sound expander)...

but we can hear the same jazzy and jumpy feeling with some nice footstomping and stops like on the pure instrumental one...

I love the jazzy feeling on the second part of the piano jam at approx 3mn25... which is an instrumental of another well known song... and Prince is humming too while playing... Although we won't hear no lyrics at all... (I noticed a rhytm box during a very short moment...)

[Edited 5/14/18 0:13am]

chamill said:

bloody confusing, just a spotted a few more links popping up?

love2thenines2003 said:

No one is talking about the long not edited studio version of The Beautiful Ones...the song is in circulation for years but the one leaked 2day is the best source available...a very good improvement vs previous versions available

This new source has tape hiss throughout and isn't the best source available, years ago u much better quality version started circulating on a compilation with other outtakes.

JorisE73 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

No one is talking about the long not edited studio version of The Beautiful Ones...the song is in circulation for years but the one leaked 2day is the best source available...a very good improvement vs previous versions available

This new source has tape hiss throughout and isn't the best source available, years ago u much better quality version started circulating on a compilation with other outtakes.

There's two versions of the tracked that have newly leaked, one (with a length of 6:20 and labeled "studio outtake") is as you stated, the other (with a length of 6:14 and labeled "Uncut") sounds much better. It's an improvement over what I've previously had.

djThunderfunk said:

Revolution81 said:

djThunderfunk said:

There's two versions of the tracked that have newly leaked, one (with a length of 6:20 and labeled "studio outtake") is as you stated, the other (with a length of 6:14 and labeled "Uncut") sounds much better. It's an improvement over what I've previously had.

They are both the same leak, the 6:14 one is just the 6:20 one "cleaned up"

Good to know, thank you Revolution!

chamill said:

These 'leaks' are a big hoax. There's nothing new in them. They are re-releases of fan made material. Someone has attempted to remaster the audio and that's all. Nothing new and a waste of time and energy.

im starting to believe this...

chamill said:

These 'leaks' are a big hoax. There's nothing new in them. They are re-releases of fan made material. Someone has attempted to remaster the audio and that's all. Nothing new and a waste of time and energy.

"Hoax" and "fan made"?

I haven't yet had the time to listen to all of what just leaked, and I would not be surprised if there are some "fan made hoaxes" among them, but to say that "that's all" these are isn't true.

From what I've listened to, a few are vastly superior to what has widely circulated beforehand. A couple of them are "attempts to remaster" (some quite successfully) but a few others are from entirely new sources that have absolutely not circulated amongst most of us.

Most of it, I would agree is a rehash and find it debatable that they are improvements myself but I would not use the words "hoax" or "fan made" to describe the attempts or claim "that's all" to be found in this latest batch.

If you have had a copy of Electric Intercourse from First Avenue 83 that sounds this good, most of us didn't and yours is from a different source. If you prefer existing copies of The Beautiful Ones outtake to the recent leak labeled "Uncut", more power to you. Those two tracks alone are worth hunting down for sure. A few more of the tracks are worthwhile as well.

In my-not-so-humble opinion, of course...

[Edited 5/14/18 13:32pm]

ok mo betta.....but nothing to wet yourselfs over

I should clarify, to me a "hoax" is a complete fabrication, such as a thread about a nonexistant We Gets Up bootleg or as one orger did awhile back, claiming to have the outtake 3 Nigs Watchin' A Kung Fu Movie and "proving" it by sharing a short clip from a rehearsal that was absolutely not the 3 Nigs outtake.

I would describe "fan-made" as edits made by fans to create a fake extended version for instance. I do not consider tweaks or attempts to remaster as "fan-made" even though quite often I prefer the material untouched.

Then there's "fake", which I reserve for material that is not really Prince at all but is labeled as Prince.

Perhaps my definitions vary from those of others. That's cool.

[Edited 5/14/18 13:55pm]

chamill said:

These 'leaks' are a big hoax. There's nothing new in them. They are re-releases of fan made material. Someone has attempted to remaster the audio and that's all. Nothing new and a waste of time and energy.

That's too bad you think of it this way. Because it's the complete opposite. Yes, out of all the leaks, some of them weren't new at all, hell one of them (God) was the official version. But except this one and maybe two more, ALL of this came from a private collector's tape, and not from a fan who decided all of a sudden to "remaster" these songs (just the hiss makes it obvious). And if it was really someone trying to remaster some outtakes, where does the live performance of "The Stick" comes from? Where does the "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got" rehearsal comes from? Where does the "Wednesday" with an ending that was uncirculating until now comes from? Where does the live performance of "Electric Intercourse" (from a better soundboard) comes from? So to say there's nothing new doesn't really make sense at all.

TheSilentMikey said:

chamill said:

The entire amount of leaks in this current batch have all been previously released over the years.

Ok, but Electric Intercourse from First Ave 83 is from a new source, which has not previously circulated & The Beautiful Ones outtake has never sounded this good. Just sayin'...

TheSilentMikey said:

love2thenines2003 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I'm agree with u and pushing the button on the right direction.....just leakead too! Soundcheck du 12/23/84 (St.Paul Civic Center Arena) : 01. Instrumental Jam 10:13 02. Controversy Instrumental Jam 21:34 03. The Ladder (Take 1) 02:14 04. The Ladder (Take 2) 03:01 05. The Ladder (Take 3) 07:09 06. The Ladder (Take 4) 04:37 07. The Ladder (Take 5) 04:05 08. Strange Relationship 07:51 09. Do Me, Baby 26:58 Amazing sound....thanx 1000 times 2 the sources! [Edited 5/14/18 23:57pm] [Edited 5/15/18 0:03am]

Yep, it comes from the same source that leaked « Electric Intercourse » (Live)

Do u know if the soundcheck with the work in progess of TEMPTATION (Soundchechk takes used later for the basic Studio trax of the Song) will B leaked soon?

thanx 4 ur feedbacks

djThunderfunk said:

JorisE73 said:

This new source has tape hiss throughout and isn't the best source available, years ago u much better quality version started circulating on a compilation with other outtakes.

There's two versions of the tracked that have newly leaked, one (with a length of 6:20 and labeled "studio outtake") is as you stated, the other (with a length of 6:14 and labeled "Uncut") sounds much better. It's an improvement over what I've previously had.

Ah right!
i just found it and indeed that sounds better, could this be the version that was used (and tweaked?) for 'The Work'/'Work It' set from decades ago? Because that version was I think the best we had previously and that one was pretty good except for the weird, too loud right channel.

love2thenines2003 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Do u know if the soundcheck with the work in progess of TEMPTATION (Soundchechk takes used later for the basic Studio trax of the Song) will B leaked soon?

thanx 4 ur feedbacks

Maybe, I’m not sure if it’s circulating among private collectors though.

i can confirm 100% the soundcheck with these takes are circulating among collectors!!

love2thenines2003 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

That's too bad you think of it this way. Because it's the complete opposite. Yes, out of all the leaks, some of them weren't new at all, hell one of them (God) was the official version. But except this one and maybe two more, ALL of this came from a private collector's tape, and not from a fan who decided all of a sudden to "remaster" these songs (just the hiss makes it obvious). And if it was really someone trying to remaster some outtakes, where does the live performance of "The Stick" comes from? Where does the "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got" rehearsal comes from? Where does the "Wednesday" with an ending that was uncirculating until now comes from? Where does the live performance of "Electric Intercourse" (from a better soundboard) comes from? So to say there's nothing new doesn't really make sense at all.

I'm agree with u and pushing the button on the right direction.....just leakead too! Soundcheck du 12/23/84 (St.Paul Civic Center Arena) : 01. Instrumental Jam 10:13 02. Controversy Instrumental Jam 21:34 03. The Ladder (Take 1) 02:14 04. The Ladder (Take 2) 03:01 05. The Ladder (Take 3) 07:09 06. The Ladder (Take 4) 04:37 07. The Ladder (Take 5) 04:05 08. Strange Relationship 07:51 09. Do Me, Baby 26:58 Amazing sound....thanx 1000 times 2 the sources! [Edited 5/14/18 23:57pm] [Edited 5/15/18 0:03am]

OH MY GOD!!!! That guitar solo in Do Me Baby is straight up murder!
is take 3 of The Ladder the basic track for the released version??
Thank you to who ever let us hear this awesome release!

love2thenines2003 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

love2thenines2003 said: Maybe, I’m not sure if it’s circulating among private collectors though.

i can confirm 100% the soundcheck with these takes are circulating among collectors!!

Details i have in my possession from a list (sharing lists between collectors details)

TEMPTATION (ROUGH MIX) 8.56 > TEmptation Rehearsal = 1984-12-06

TEMPTATION (REHEARSAL) 44.37 >TEmptation Rehearsal = 1984-12-06

love2thenines2003 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

i can confirm 100% the soundcheck with these takes are circulating among collectors!!

Details i have in my possession from a list (sharing lists between collectors details)

TEMPTATION (ROUGH MIX) 8.56 > TEmptation Rehearsal = 1984-12-06

TEMPTATION (REHEARSAL) 44.37 >TEmptation Rehearsal = 1984-12-06

Well this is just... fantastic. I'll ask about it. What is Temptation (Rough Mix)? Is it the basic track before the monologue?

[Edited 5/15/18 2:35am]

FragileUndertow said:

TheSilentMikey said:

Where does the "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got" rehearsal comes from?

As i recall , This has been in circulation for a while now, sometimes its referred as "Cruisin' Down The Highway" I think it dates from 81 or 82. Though I haven't compared length or quality of both track

Alright, I didn't knew that. Thanks for the info. The quality might be better from the previous version though.