can someone tell me what boot has the best sound for this ?

Why a boot? It was released officially.

https://www.princeestate....nds-4-sale

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ian said:

Why a boot? It was released officially.

https://www.princeestate....nds-4-sale

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original boot version is better

the one I have heard is off "work it" has him say something about having one take...but its sound is okay...a like too much bass.

luvsexy4all said:

luvsexy4all said:

ian said:

Why a boot? It was released officially.

https://www.princeestate....nds-4-sale

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original boot version is better

You Springsteen/Dylan/McCartney fans... It it was left up to you the Estate would have to rerelease each album stripped of all keyboards and horns: just bass, guitar and drums would remain

this is what I want!

Prince the Multi-Track master collection:

It would need a computer but it would come with a digital mixing board and files of each track so you could mix your own versions. (maybe somewhat simplified)


Also a Guitar Hero game! I have not played that is years but if they put out a Prince one... i would buy it and if need be the console to play it.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

this is what I want!

Prince the Multi-Track master collection:

It would need a computer but it would come with a digital mixing board and files of each track so you could mix your own versions. (maybe somewhat simplified)


Also a Guitar Hero game! I have not played that is years but if they put out a Prince one... i would buy it and if need be the console to play it.

That's a brilliant idea.

Mix your own versions, add to basket, pay and download.

I'd spend a fortune.

SquirrelMeat said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

this is what I want!

Prince the Multi-Track master collection:

It would need a computer but it would come with a digital mixing board and files of each track so you could mix your own versions. (maybe somewhat simplified)


Also a Guitar Hero game! I have not played that is years but if they put out a Prince one... i would buy it and if need be the console to play it.

That's a brilliant idea.

Mix your own versions, add to basket, pay and download.

I'd spend a fortune.

opps this is int the wrong topic...

Never mind, I found the answer to my original question in another thread from a few years back. Then, I found this. Watch it, I promise it will make your day. Complete joy!



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SquirrelMeat said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

this is what I want!

Prince the Multi-Track master collection:

It would need a computer but it would come with a digital mixing board and files of each track so you could mix your own versions. (maybe somewhat simplified)


Also a Guitar Hero game! I have not played that is years but if they put out a Prince one... i would buy it and if need be the console to play it.

That's a brilliant idea.

Mix your own versions, add to basket, pay and download.

I'd spend a fortune.

No option to save, but his CD-ROM game Interactive let you mix the song Race the way you wanted.

SquirrelMeat said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

this is what I want!

Prince the Multi-Track master collection:

It would need a computer but it would come with a digital mixing board and files of each track so you could mix your own versions. (maybe somewhat simplified)


Also a Guitar Hero game! I have not played that is years but if they put out a Prince one... i would buy it and if need be the console to play it.

That's a brilliant idea.

Mix your own versions, add to basket, pay and download.

I'd spend a fortune.

I think it's a disgusting idea. The internet would soon be flooded with those mixes and Prince's real work would be doomed to vanish in thin air. And anyway, works of art are not there to be trashed and desacrated by people.

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

That's a brilliant idea.

Mix your own versions, add to basket, pay and download.

I'd spend a fortune.

I think it's a disgusting idea. The internet would soon be flooded with those mixes and Prince's real work would be doomed to vanish in thin air. And anyway, works of art are not there to be trashed and desacrated by people.

It would really push you over the edge

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I think it's a disgusting idea. The internet would soon be flooded with those mixes and Prince's real work would be doomed to vanish in thin air. And anyway, works of art are not there to be trashed and desacrated by people.

It would really push you over the edge

Obviously it would

But seriously I'm surprised that you and OnlyNDaUSA would support any such insanity. I mean this really is the worst idea ever. It would truly have the potential to destroy Prince's legacy.

And believe me I'd be the first one to want to be able to isolate every layer of sound for study as well as fun. I remember that story when Levi told Morris "if u listen to the drums and bass alone on Alphabet St., it's lethal", and when Morris did he confirmed.

But no, this can't, ever, be allowed to happen.

It could be an on site attraction in special cabins at PP, though. But people cannot ever be allowed to purchase, download, copy, keep and/or share.

strange he would offer songs with "questionable" lyrics to other artists...woudnt he think they would shy away from them?

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

That's a brilliant idea.

Mix your own versions, add to basket, pay and download.

I'd spend a fortune.

I think it's a disgusting idea. The internet would soon be flooded with those mixes and Prince's real work would be doomed to vanish in thin air. And anyway, works of art are not there to be trashed and desacrated by people.

Disgusting and criminal idea indeed.

214 said:

databank said:

I think it's a disgusting idea. The internet would soon be flooded with those mixes and Prince's real work would be doomed to vanish in thin air. And anyway, works of art are not there to be trashed and desacrated by people.

Disgusting and criminal idea indeed.

haha: disgusting? Criminal? I do not agree...but I can say okay some people are purists and thus "disgusting" (and I agree many would be a mess) but it would be cool to me to be able to get into each track separately and see what all is in there.

But how could it be Criminal? Like in the way the Star Wars SEs were 'a crime'? or do you mean actually a crime?

either way it is not going to happen... too much hubris.

its on depostion boot set

OnlyNDaUsa said:

214 said:

Disgusting and criminal idea indeed.

haha: disgusting? Criminal? I do not agree...but I can say okay some people are purists and thus "disgusting" (and I agree many would be a mess) but it would be cool to me to be able to get into each track separately and see what all is in there.

But how could it be Criminal? Like in the way the Star Wars SEs were 'a crime'? or do you mean actually a crime?

either way it is not going to happen... too much hubris.

No, obviously not. It's hyperole, but you get the idea right?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

214 said:

Disgusting and criminal idea indeed.

haha: disgusting? Criminal? I do not agree...but I can say okay some people are purists and thus "disgusting" (and I agree many would be a mess) but it would be cool to me to be able to get into each track separately and see what all is in there.

But how could it be Criminal? Like in the way the Star Wars SEs were 'a crime'? or do you mean actually a crime?

either way it is not going to happen... too much hubris.

Just imagine if it was to happen: the estate release each ande every album in multitrack.

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Then go forward 15 years in the future.

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Unless you purchase or stream the albums from strictly official sources (and even though, we've seen bootlegs on iTunes, Amazon, Tidal, Spotify and Deezer, hell, I even saw a bootleg for sale on Bandcamp once!), it'll be nearly impossible to know an original from a fanmade version, and Prince's work will be diluted in an ocean of illegitimate crap, with many a kid downloading a fanmade album and believing it's genuine. Remember those times some Orgers believed Boris' The Dawn was a genuine unreleased configuration? And we're talking people who're fans enough to register on a fan board, not casual listeners who don't know a thing about bootlegs!

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I know we live in an era of sampling, mashups and fanmade edits but releasing the multitracks? No.

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Star Wars has nothing to do with that: it was George Lucas' choice to mess-up with his own work. Was it all good? Maybe not, but it was his movies not ours. Now just imagine if Disney was to release every multi-angle shot of every scene in every SW movie, and again go forward 15 years. The result would be much worse than Greedo shooting first!

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

It would really push you over the edge

Obviously it would

But seriously I'm surprised that you and OnlyNDaUSA would support any such insanity. I mean this really is the worst idea ever.

Can you imagine a set of Astasheik's or some other org goon's remixes. Where's that fucking rope?

TheDigitalGardener said:

databank said:

Obviously it would

But seriously I'm surprised that you and OnlyNDaUSA would support any such insanity. I mean this really is the worst idea ever.

Can you imagine a set of Astasheik's or some other org goon's remixes. Where's that fucking rope?

Everyone is like "the original version is better"....if you guys are talking about the one that's longer and with the piano sound then no. The album version is a clean crispy jam and is better than the unofficial version.

databank said:

Just imagine if it was to happen: the estate release each ande every album in multitrack.

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Then go forward 15 years in the future.

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Unless you purchase or stream the albums from strictly official sources (and even though, we've seen bootlegs on iTunes, Amazon, Tidal, Spotify and Deezer, hell, I even saw a bootleg for sale on Bandcamp once!), it'll be nearly impossible to know an original from a fanmade version, and Prince's work will be diluted in an ocean of illegitimate crap, with many a kid downloading a fanmade album and believing it's genuine. Remember those times some Orgers believed Boris' The Dawn was a genuine unreleased configuration? And we're talking people who're fans enough to register on a fan board, not casual listeners who don't know a thing about bootlegs!

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I know we live in an era of sampling, mashups and fanmade edits but releasing the multitracks? No.

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Star Wars has nothing to do with that: it was George Lucas' choice to mess-up with his own work. Was it all good? Maybe not, but it was his movies not ours. Now just imagine if Disney was to release every multi-angle shot of every scene in every SW movie, and again go forward 15 years. The result would be much worse than Greedo shooting first!

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I can't imagine anything better than the original multitracks being released. Honest. If people want the "true" mix, buy the Warner Bros CD. For others, play with it!

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Being able to get rid of Cat's rap in Alphabet Street, Tony Ms rapping on Diamonds&Pearls and the followup album or the spooky voice on The Rainbow Children... just to name some things that a lot of people hate. Or being able to switch between St Paul's vocals and Prince's on the The Family album..

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We have the option now to all run software like Reaper and can all play multitrack. We can't all mix or master, but who cares? And it would take the wind out of the sales for bootleggers, as all bootlegs will be suspect from there on out (like the Feel U Up version on a recent BftP).

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It seems that no 2 Prince fans can ever agree on what Prince they like and what is crap (see all the discussions on what single CD would be the penultimate Emancipation, where almost everyone agreed that if you boil it down to 1 CD, it would be marvelous. Nobody could agree on which tracks would be on it), this way, everyone can make the songs even better for themselves.

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Face it, the number of people that buy Prince music is going to go steadily down as we continue the years. If you release the multitracks, those that love his music will be able to have an even closer relationship with it. It's a fan's dream come true, and at the right pricepoint, it would make money for the estate.

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And for the period that "matters", simply don't release the multitracks for any music from 1982-1988. It seems like WB and the estate only want to mine that period anyway. Give the fans what they want. If you want to get the most money out of the fans, release two "deluxe" albums per year for the general public with marketing and whatnot. Give hardcorefans an online opportunity to get extra unreleased stuff/live or rehearsal stuff from that period.

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In 10 years, re-evaluate how much is being sold and then release a few albums/outtakes on multitrack. For tracks where there is no mixdown/obvious way to mix, create a contest and have the best 5 mixes released.

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Like Elvis came to live for some when Junkie XL mixed one of his songs, letting people play with Prince will get them feel much closer to him than is otherwise possible. I really don't see a downside to it. Don't create dogma where it isn't necessary. Prince may be dead, but his music is alive and any way for part of his legacy to be in the cultural domain is a win. Even if it used by musicians I cannot stand.

mediumdry said:

LOL wow, all these over my little idea? ha

I wouldn't want 'mix your own' as the default. I would want an official release. But being able to mix your own would be fun.

I don't care that people would be worried about 10,000 versions of Computer Blue being out their. Fans know the difference.

databank said:

I think this idea is a monstruosity because what you describe when you say "remove this element you don't like"and "add this if you want it here"is no less than the destruction of arts and artists altogether. Arts is not something where you get to pick and choose and remove Tony M. Arts is the vision of artists and is to be taken as such, as a whole, and if one doesn't like amy given work of art they can just go fuck themselves, period,

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I guess this is where we differ in opinion. Art is a cultural thing. And culture changes. And it is shared. Nothing is in a vacuum. As much as I disliked hiphop originally (I'd hear a great song on the radio, but it turned out to be a short loop with some silly rapper talking silly shit instead) I have to admit its cultural significance and it has produced some cool (to me) music. Art changes all the time because the environment changes. The Black Album in 1987 would have been amazing, but when it was eventually released it simply didn't have the same impact anymore. The music hadn't changed, but the story and environment around it (so the ears of the listener) had. So the whole had changed. Wether you wanted it or not. The idea that the vision of an artist is all there is to Art is silly, to me. They play a part, just like culture and the person consuming the Art. There are no wrong answers, necesarily.

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There have been a few artists (Ben Folds and I believe Nine Inch Nails, probably more) have already released some of their music as stems. It's a valid way to release music and very much in the realm of forward thinking artists. (think Prince around Dirty Mind) Do you remember those samples albums, where artists put parts of their music in small pieces so people could construct whatever they wanted from it (for instance, George Clinton's Sample Some Of Disc, Sample Some Of DAT series) Prince wanted to release some too, he had an entire sample series ready to go... (sure, that was to make more money more than art, probably)

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I don't think a multitrack release is going to happen though, because between WB and the estate, I don't think they do things because of Art. They are in the business and money part of the equation. (which is a valid and necessary part of the art business, artists have to get paid too)

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Just to take this a step further, Prince is dead. This means that no incentive in the world is going to make him produce new music. So copyright (an incentive for the artist) should be revoked and all of Prince's work should be public domain. As fans, we have collectively sponsored/paid for all the music to be created... so it should be released to us. All of it, as fast as possible.

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I know it's never going to happen because too much money is involved, but in a utopia, it should happen. Art and business have conflicting interests and business has won in most parts of life, unfortunately.

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As to your vision of a pure artistic vision and having Prince tracks only "as he intended".. I think that's an inpossibility. Just look at Nothing Compares as it was released recently. Was that as he intended? May be.. at first, for a split second. Then it was intended in the mix that ended up on The Family album. Then it was as it ended up on the hits..

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Artistic choices will have to be made from here on out. Not just in the mix, but also in the mastering. It can have a profound influence. Just listen to the change...ring even. If something like that can change the music so dramatically already, releasing the multi-track is not that huge a leap from there. It's an option. I think that you are right and it won't happen. In my mind, not to protect Prince's Art, but to protect his business.

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And it's fine. I don't have any legal rights to his music, but I can give my opinion.

databank said: