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Reply #720 posted 04/25/18 7:35pm

kmama07

poppys said:



kmama07 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


definitely neutral



Do you remember what that second interview was from? I can only find the one from "the Project". I think the second one is the one where she also talks about how she will be singing with the bands and she had to learn the words to Purple rain because she "didn't listen to Prince music"


Wow really, how can that be? My dog knows the lyrics to Purple Rain.


I see there is a link to the interview from "the Project" interview posted in associated artists thread. Don't see the link for the other one, though
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Reply #721 posted 04/25/18 7:38pm

Lovejunky



kmama07 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


definitely neutral



Do you remember what that second interview was from? I can only find the one from "the Project". I think the second one is the one where she also talks about how she will be singing with the bands and she had to learn the words to Purple rain because she "didn't listen to Prince music"

Ill never be ready to hear Tyka Singing Purple Rain...

Please GoD..NO !

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Reply #722 posted 04/25/18 7:41pm

kmama07

Bodhitheblackdog said:



kmama07 said:


Menes said:


No doctor in good moral standing would have had enough ink to continue to write him prescriptions for that intense craving. Everything had to be illegit.



Exactly. And no ONE doctor could have written prescriptions for all he had due to the strict monitoring of prescriptions written for drugs in that class. He would have to have had several doctors writing prescriptions for him (Dr. Shopping) and there were no records of that sort of thing that I read about. He didn't even have anyone considered as his primary physician. Unless every pill he had was prescribed in someone else's name then given to him, he was buying black market/street pills and rolling the dice in terms of what they actually contained. [Edited 4/25/18 19:30pm]

arrogance, control, denial, lying, confused thinking, no close friends or people who really loved him, surrounded by users and losers (and some religious fanatics),in pain (physically and emotionally), burned out...how else was it going to end? He was more than 'rolling the dice'...he was daring God to take him. Or maybe begging.


Yes. This exactly.



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Reply #723 posted 04/25/18 7:42pm

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purplemist7777 said:

PennyPurple said:



ThatWhiteDude said:




PennyPurple said:



I hope a lot more will follow and with the other associates also.



From what I've seen so far, most of them are attacking KJ only.



They need to go in heavy on the others too, not just KJ.


The investigators did not seem very aggressive to me in that they never called back the Weltons for more info (considering they said they were in Prince’s inner circle the last several years), no statements from Kirk, Meron and Pheadra AND why did they not interview every single “protege” that walked through the PP doors since 2010 (after he had the hip surgery)? It occurred to me that they being so young and in the presence of such a superstar, maybe he asked them to get opioids for him? I could totally see that happening. Doing him a favor.

Kirk, Meron and Phaedra will not provide statements. LE made numerous attempts and the three repeatedly stonewalled their efforts.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
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Reply #724 posted 04/25/18 7:50pm

kmama07

NotACleverName said:

purplemist7777 said:


The investigators did not seem very aggressive to me in that they never called back the Weltons for more info (considering they said they were in Prince’s inner circle the last several years), no statements from Kirk, Meron and Pheadra AND why did they not interview every single “protege” that walked through the PP doors since 2010 (after he had the hip surgery)? It occurred to me that they being so young and in the presence of such a superstar, maybe he asked them to get opioids for him? I could totally see that happening. Doing him a favor.

Kirk, Meron and Phaedra will not provide statements. LE made numerous attempts and the three repeatedly stonewalled their efforts.


Is there a lawyer on the org who can explain why this was even a possibility? I guess I always assumed if one was being questioned by authorities in an open investigation, one didn't really have a choice if one wanted to participate or not. Sorry if this has already been asked.
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Reply #725 posted 04/25/18 7:50pm

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Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

Tyka said all of that? Her son's statement totally contradicts what Tyka said then.

SO much BS...

according to Presidents X Wife President hadnt seen Prince since he married Mayte

Hannah and Josh Welton only saw Tyka TWICE in four years and one of those times was

on the Satuday before he passed

Many people reported that Tyka had to go through Princes managers to reach him.

She didnt have a direct line to him.

There is another one of the interviews where Prince asks Romeo about who whould sue him

Prince directly asks "DO you think TYka would sue me ?

The reply is "No"

To which Prince grins and gives the Side eye to larry and smirks..hmmm?

The side eye was to Kirk NOT Larry. Also Prince asked Theo "Who would sue him his sister Edna"? NOT Romeo.In which Theo replied "No" Then he turned & asked Kirk "Who would Tyka"? Then he gave Kirk a smirk.

[Edited 4/25/18 19:52pm]

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #726 posted 04/25/18 7:54pm

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kmama07 said:

NotACleverName said:


Kirk, Meron and Phaedra will not provide statements. LE made numerous attempts and the three repeatedly stonewalled their efforts.


Is there a lawyer on the org who can explain why this was even a possibility? I guess I always assumed if one was being questioned by authorities in an open investigation, one didn't really have a choice if one wanted to participate or not. Sorry if this has already been asked.

I always thought that unless you were charged in relation to a crime, you did not have to make a statement. Only if a trial results then witnesses can be subpoenaed (forced).

Where is ISLIJAG....?
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Reply #727 posted 04/25/18 8:09pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:



kmama07 said:


Menes said:

No doctor in good moral standing would have had enough ink to continue to write him prescriptions for that intense craving. Everything had to be illegit.


Exactly. And no ONE doctor could have written prescriptions for all he had due to the strict monitoring of prescriptions written for drugs in that class. He would have to have had several doctors writing prescriptions for him (Dr. Shopping) and there were no records of that sort of thing that I read about. He didn't even have anyone considered as his primary physician. Unless every pill he had was prescribed in someone else's name then given to him, he was buying black market/street pills and rolling the dice in terms of what they actually contained. [Edited 4/25/18 19:30pm]

arrogance, control, denial, lying, confused thinking, no close friends or people who really loved him, surrounded by users and losers (and some religious fanatics),in pain (physically and emotionally), burned out...how else was it going to end? He was more than 'rolling the dice'...he was daring God to take him. Or maybe begging.


This.

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
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Reply #728 posted 04/25/18 8:38pm

Menes

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Menes said:

Oh goodie. There's a "doctor" on the org. I can run the numbers by you and maybe you can tell us why a metabolite is showing up in urine and not blood over a 48-72 hour period? While you're at it, can you quantify the time a bit for us? My calculations support that this was not one pill that caused the "accident" and that he never stopped using in that 7 day grace period. Up for the challenge, Doc?

popcorn

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

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Reply #729 posted 04/25/18 8:41pm

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Robbajobba said:

MMJas said:

I accessed it through the Carver County site. Electronics records 5.

That specific interview (Debra's) is very telling, imo. Does anyone know if there is a transcript for it on the report? I can´t remember...

[Edited 4/25/18 9:11am]

Just finished it. It's unbelievable. Thing is, Debra is making all these frankly horrifying accusations - and she sounds very plausible - to a cop who isn't really following it, and who isn't really investigating corruption / deception etc etc. I really hope someone follows this up, but who would that be? Who's the injured party now he's gone?

Sorry - I am pages and pages behind you guys but trying to get caught up. I just listened to this as well but... is it abruptly cut off? It doesn't sound like a complete interview.

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Reply #730 posted 04/25/18 8:44pm

poppys

LambofGoth said:

Robbajobba said:

Just finished it. It's unbelievable. Thing is, Debra is making all these frankly horrifying accusations - and she sounds very plausible - to a cop who isn't really following it, and who isn't really investigating corruption / deception etc etc. I really hope someone follows this up, but who would that be? Who's the injured party now he's gone?

Sorry - I am pages and pages behind you guys but trying to get caught up. I just listened to this as well but... is it abruptly cut off? It doesn't sound like a complete interview.

There is a part 2 but it was not released.

"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #731 posted 04/25/18 8:49pm

Menes

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

arrogance, control, denial, lying, confused thinking, no close friends or people who really loved him, surrounded by users and losers (and some religious fanatics),in pain (physically and emotionally), burned out...how else was it going to end? He was more than 'rolling the dice'...he was daring God to take him. Or maybe begging.

This.

I can't help but think of the lyrics from Anna Stesia...

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Reply #732 posted 04/25/18 8:50pm

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Menes said:

precioux said:

Menes said: popcorn

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

I'm voting for the first choice.

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Reply #733 posted 04/25/18 8:51pm

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poppys said:

LambofGoth said:

Sorry - I am pages and pages behind you guys but trying to get caught up. I just listened to this as well but... is it abruptly cut off? It doesn't sound like a complete interview.

There is a part 2 but it was not released.


Thank you, poppys.

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Reply #734 posted 04/25/18 8:55pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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kmama07 said:

NotACleverName said:
Kirk, Meron and Phaedra will not provide statements. LE made numerous attempts and the three repeatedly stonewalled their efforts.
Is there a lawyer on the org who can explain why this was even a possibility? I guess I always assumed if one was being questioned by authorities in an open investigation, one didn't really have a choice if one wanted to participate or not. Sorry if this has already been asked.

You dont have to give a statement to police even IF you are charged with murder.

5th Admendment.

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Reply #735 posted 04/25/18 8:57pm

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Menes said:

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: This.

I can't help but think of the lyrics from Anna Stesia...

"Have you ever been so lonely
That you felt like you were the only one in this world?"


Anesthesia.....for decades. RIP...at last.

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Reply #736 posted 04/25/18 9:02pm

kmama07

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



kmama07 said:


NotACleverName said:
Kirk, Meron and Phaedra will not provide statements. LE made numerous attempts and the three repeatedly stonewalled their efforts.

Is there a lawyer on the org who can explain why this was even a possibility? I guess I always assumed if one was being questioned by authorities in an open investigation, one didn't really have a choice if one wanted to participate or not. Sorry if this has already been asked.

You dont have to give a statement to police even IF you are charged with murder.


5th Admendment.


Thanks!
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Reply #737 posted 04/25/18 9:07pm

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The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

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Reply #738 posted 04/25/18 9:10pm

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The police cannot force witnesses to testify.

If the District Attorney had convened a Grand Jury, witnesses would be subpoenaed to testify.

However, you can take the Fifth during Grand Jury proceedings while you are on the stand.

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Reply #739 posted 04/25/18 9:12pm

poppys

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.


The tingling and numbness he said he felt? Lidocaine is numbing.

"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #740 posted 04/25/18 9:14pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

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Reply #741 posted 04/25/18 9:21pm

poppys

If he was doing all that, he would know he was taking Lidocaine. Why mention it to the doctor?

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Reply #742 posted 04/25/18 9:22pm

Lovejunky

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

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Reply #743 posted 04/25/18 9:27pm

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Lovejunky said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

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Reply #744 posted 04/25/18 9:31pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

I'm voting for the first choice.


Ah, so per what was found in that house/ME results...

That overdose in Moline reveals enough data to support that he would have had to ingest a good amount of mgs of hydrocodone(by itself) to produce a near death experience. By all measures, the subsequent results can not come from one pill of hydrocodone.

If so, that would mean that one believes that Prince gobbled up a pile of pills (of hydrocodone only) in Atanta. It is more plausible that he took his usual cocktail that included something other than hydrocodone.


We are left to contemplate and calculate combination toxicity with hydrocodone and "x" which , cocincidentally ,just happens to be the same combination found and mentioned by the ME in the autopsy on 5-9 in his blood and urine.

Now, these two are mentioned in the same breath by the ME ,but is separated by their metabolic rates and excretion pathways . There is a reason for this.

I am not sure why there is no mention of the amount of hydrodcodone found in his urine, yet the numerical value of fentanyl in his blood is given. There has to be a history or knowledge by the user that these two substances, in fact ,are different , and produce a given effect such as in Moline. He surely did not get that result in Moline from a single hydrocodone.

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Reply #745 posted 04/25/18 9:49pm

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Menes said:

precioux said:

Menes said: popcorn

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

That's exactly where my thought process is right now. Because FUCK THE BULLSHIT if Prince had been a long term user of ANY of the drugs that he supposedly/maybe/possibly/could have/might have/think so/heard so/know so but can't and/or won't say so...foolishness. Wouldn't and shouldn't the ME have been able to determine that beyond any doubt, in the Toxicolgy Report?

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Reply #746 posted 04/25/18 9:53pm

disch

lidocaine is a cheap cutting agent; per the investigation p.185:

"Officer Voller [of the DEA] commented that this was not necessarily surprising [that pills with the same composition as Prince's we not found elsewhere] as they are seeing these types of pills being mixed with whatever is around or whatever is easily available."

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This article describes a drug investigation in san diego where they found a "pill [that] contained 20 ingredients, including fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, lidocaine, caffeine and other chemicals.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

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Reply #747 posted 04/25/18 9:54pm

disch

The DA was pretty emphatic that he felt that Prince likely didn't know the pill contained fentanyl

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Menes said:

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

That's exactly where my thought process is right now. Because FUCK THE BULLSHIT if Prince had been a long term user of ANY of the drugs that he supposedly/maybe/possibly/could have/might have/think so/heard so/know so but can't and/or won't say so...foolishness. Wouldn't and shouldn't the ME have been able to determine that beyond any doubt, in the Toxicolgy Report?

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Reply #748 posted 04/25/18 9:55pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

I thnk people will soon realize that on that night, he didn't take one thing at one time to ease the "pain". There are so wayyyy off.

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Reply #749 posted 04/25/18 9:58pm

Menes

disch said:

The DA was pretty emphatic that he felt that Prince likely didn't know the pill contained fentanyl

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

That's exactly where my thought process is right now. Because FUCK THE BULLSHIT if Prince had been a long term user of ANY of the drugs that he supposedly/maybe/possibly/could have/might have/think so/heard so/know so but can't and/or won't say so...foolishness. Wouldn't and shouldn't the ME have been able to determine that beyond any doubt, in the Toxicolgy Report?

I'm not sure what that means, if anything. He has a lot of politics and PR to deal with.. The ME was in a bind just the same.

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