Anyone know Kirk's Swiss bank account number?

Musze said:

So Carver & NYT are hosting the 200 plus pages of investigation files... does anyone know where the Paisley Pics (NOT including pics of Prince/death scene) may be hosted in a slideshow format or something similar?

It feels to me like the New York Times is hosting 200 plus pages of Prince death files not just to cater to a niche market of music lovers...but to make investigative research easier, to pique the interest of a kick-ass reporter and to make sure this story/mystery stays alive....until resolved.

i'd love to hear from Phaedra and Van about this. To be fair we heard Debra's perspective, and it's possible there's more to this than she knows

NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though. They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice. Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra! When Debra questioned this she was fired.

I can not even articulate my thoughts re this revelation. Vultures. Makes me sick and my heart breaks for Prince that these morally bankrupt individuals were in his life.

disch said:

I do trust that the police investigated this. I personally am not on the murder-plot train; I accept that it was an accident.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

we don't know that he needed it -- we know that Kirk arranged for it. It's possible kirk didn't know about his secret illegal stash (and prince didn't tell him -- who knows maybe he thought, sure i could always use more)

You take the scene and then add in the stairs pic and the time frame it seems staged /set up. Who knows what time they all left and what they were doing during that night of the 20th

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Neglected, for sure. Totally alone, and no one to trust. He suffered alone in pain, and no one cared.

that's bullshit, people did care just like with elvis, but most of us didn't know, and even if we did, how would we get around the vultures? celebs live with buffers to the real world, good reasons for doing it that way but it's also very dangerous to be isolated.

There's no good answers.
The rock martyr stardom is a thing, sadly.
Prince thought we liked him better with mystique.
Near the end he was ready to let it go for good, but that's my sense of it.

Yep, reclusiveness is dangerous. Small circles look like keyholes: hard to see the full picture throughout.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Musze said:

So Carver & NYT are hosting the 200 plus pages of investigation files... does anyone know where the Paisley Pics (NOT including pics of Prince/death scene) may be hosted in a slideshow format or something similar?

It feels to me like the New York Times is hosting 200 plus pages of Prince death files not just to cater to a niche market of music lovers...but to make investigative research easier, to pique the interest of a kick-ass reporter and to make sure this story/mystery stays alive....until resolved.

That would be amazing. Prince deserves it.

disch said:

disch said:

disch said:

well, not to me really. Not that I know why he sent that picture (i don't) but one photo that's not going to make me become a murder-conspiracist.

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I recognize that every single action that occured won't make sense to me, because I don't have ALL the facts (and never will; I wasn't there and don't know these people -- even if I was, there'd still be mystery. That's life!)

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

I do trust that the police investigated this. I personally am not on the murder-plot train; I accept that it was an accident.

But the stairs pic adds a huge WTF ...to all of this

cloveringold85 said:

Anyone know Kirk's Swiss bank account number?

Phadera....from what I understand, Kirky boy was scared shitless of her.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

i'd love to hear from Phaedra and Van about this. To be fair we heard Debra's perspective, and it's possible there's more to this than she knows

Would also like to hear from them. Seems Phaedra has a history of doing this. Remember million dollar woman?

Was six million dollar woman wasn't it? And yes, her shadiness grows the more one looks. Piranhas.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

Is there another part to this? The call cuts off in the middle.

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It is troubling how, per Debra anyway, Van Jones and Phaedra just kind of swooped in and took over major parts of Prince's finances, setting up questionable "charity" concerts and worst of all, taking over his publishing under Phaedra's name. I'd really love to hear Phaedra and Van's side of this story. Van has been tearily talking about Prince's charitable side since he died; this makes you wonder, was he skimming something off for himself?

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It's just such a shame that Prince was never able to establish ongoing relationships with experienced, ethical partners to handle his business dealings. It seemed like an endless stream of neophytes at best or vultures at worst perfectly happy to leap in to "help." Some probably meant well; others...

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Agree...Always thought Van was full of it and he was only looking out for himself/ his own charities using Princes name. I doubt P had anything to do with ANY of those charities.

Prince's charity license had expired. Deborah is basically claiming Van and Phadera were siphoning this "charity" money into their own pockets,no?

Was it ever confirmed that Phadera had POA for Prince?

disch said:

yeah i'll try to see if i can find it (unless there's a obvious word to search on, tracking stuff like this down is a like a needle in a haystack)

NotACleverName said:

Thank you, disch! At least I know I actually read it and can pinpoint, to some extent, where to find it. Whew, huge relief. disch said:

I think Judith said it in her interview.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

Just had a listen - interesting stuff. None of this part of the police conversation with Debra Johnson was in the police files released.

precioux said:

shednz said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

Just had a listen - interesting stuff. None of this part of the police conversation with Debra Johnson was in the police files released.

Hopefully it's part of a separate investigation into theft, wire fraud and other financial crimes against Prince (while he was alive) and the estate (now that he is no longer with us.)

He was worth WAY more to them alive, than dead. So I don't see this as intentional or some kind of murder. Neglect? Yes. Negligence? Yes. But not calculated murder.

disch said:

ksl1974 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

shednz said:

Ah yes found it. It's in Judith's transcript, p 167 of the transcript pdf

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"Kirk was in the [hospital] room and he just said stuff like you know, we can't keep donng this..and to Prince he's like we're here for you brother and all that..."

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

yeah i'll try to see if i can find it (unless there's a obvious word to search on, tracking stuff like this down is a like a needle in a haystack)

I think Judith said it in her interview.

I never planned to post, but, I have been following this thread closely and I just wonder if anyone else is suspicious about the Blind Gossip article that came out a week before his death? It's not that I believe he had AIDS, my issue is that someone from his camp, sold this story to them and said he would be "dead by summer." After he passed, Blind Gossip updated the story and said they were indeed talking about Prince when they posted the blind article and said that a trusted source from his camp came to them with this story. To me this seems like someone was trying to lay some ground work for when he came up dead. And that then maybe they went another route? (with the whole pill angle) I just wonder if the Sheriffs department thought to subpoena Blind Gossip and find out who their inside source was? To me this is very suspicious...

cloveringold85 said:

OMG! I just listened to Debra's interview on G2TT FB Page!!

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I just can't believe this, I really can't. This is worse than a nightmare!!

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How did this get dismissed from the investigation??

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I just listened to it too. OMG!!! What was going on over there????

Googled something and just came across this. It was actually posted by Laura on Lipstick Alley:

"I remember seeing Pheadra listed as a manger of NPG Music LLC but the rest of the docs are not avalible to the public. I do know that Prince was listed as an employee in the LLC and a member. If Pheadra was a member I wonder if he knew this. I also wonder about the last four albums having their royalties assigned to "DreamCorps" four days before he died. Did Prince do that or Pheadra? What other albums or songs are going to "Dream Corps"? She claimed in probate court that she had power of attorney. When is the estate going to deal with this women?

If he had no idea she was a member of the LLC then she was taking advantage of a sick man so she could steal. The cash shows is just a tax dodge and a means for moving money without transperancy. I wonder if he knew about that at all. I wonder if any money went to charity at all."

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precioux said:

Prince's charity license had expired. Deborah is basically claiming Van and Phadera were siphoning this "charity" money into their own pockets,no?

Was it ever confirmed that Phadera had POA for Prince?

Never confirmed.

Tidal was saying there was a POA but I never saw where they produced it. Maybe now that they have gotten further into the litigation in Federal Court they may have produced a POA...but maybe not.