SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.

-

Or, simply make them aware of the fact that something like PRINCEVAULT excist,

some interesting book titles, like the ones by A. Hahn, Per Nilsen, etc.

Why not.

jstar69 said:

WOW!! I'm so excited about this! I cannot wait for the release! That was a great article/interview and wonderful questions asked.

Some of you are too pessimistic. I would buy a fart noise for real , i need new Prince album in my life , even if it's a HQ bootleg we already had. I got excited for Nothing Compares last week. I don't know, just the video with footage and the announcement and i was excited.

please let it be a studio album though. i mean, i will buy all live releases, no questions asked,
but what we need now after these 2 years is a studio album from prince.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Astasheiks said:

prince2me.com is one website. What is the other?

https://www.princeestate.com

[Edited 4/24/18 13:27pm]

New Power Soul is under Prince 'studio albums'. databank will be upset.

Weird that this isn't a sticky.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

While this is exciting, I can't help thinking that this is all very convenient to WB. Their difficult star dead, the tapes and recordings swiftly moved away from Paisley Park to a 'secure' place while the family were too busy squabbling. It means they can now access them at will without family interference and bingo, with no will, they can capitalise on the vault for as long as they want and can release whatever they choose.

Remember when Prince was frustrating the release of PR Deluxe by not allowing vault material on it, boom a few years later he's gone and songs that he would never release now due to their graphic content are suddenly out there.....

[Edited 4/24/18 10:55am]

The Gravy Train family can go do one as far as I'm concerned. And that includes Tyka. Any family interference, and there would be a clusterfuck of lies told. We couldn't even trust the song titles. Warner Bros. are best placed to handle any new releases from the 80s, and maybe beyond. Truth be told, the reason Universal backed out of a deal was because they couldn't get hands on the 'golden age' period, WB years. Probably.

I also wonder if P's purging of vault material for cussing (~ yr 2000) doesn't cover the WB years. Only thinking this, because he missed the blindingly obvious 'We can Fuck' from the purple rain vault disc.

(I think i know someone who will find this funny)

[Edited 4/25/18 6:15am]

fortuneandserendipity said:

I also wonder if P's purging of vault material for cussing (~ yr 2000) doesn't cover the WB years. Only thinking this, because he missed the blindingly obvious 'We can Fuck' from the purple rain vault disc.

(I think i know someone who will find this funny)

I heard 'We Can Fuck' came from a WB tape. Like 'The Dance Electric' and 'Electric Intercourse'.

JorisE73 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I also wonder if P's purging of vault material for cussing (~ yr 2000) doesn't cover the WB years. Only thinking this, because he missed the blindingly obvious 'We can Fuck' from the purple rain vault disc.

(I think i know someone who will find this funny)

I heard 'We Can Fuck' came from a WB tape. Like 'The Dance Electric' and 'Electric Intercourse'.

Ok but Prince only started recording at Paisley Park in '87. How many songs recorded beforehand are actually in WB's hands? Who has rights over the Sunset Sound studio sessions.

Isn't it the case that master ownership only relates to released product?

I'd like to hear stuff from 2000 onwards: http://www.princevault.co..._song_list

I don't mind older unreleased music, but let's not pretend Prince's music is just anything until only 1993.

FullLipsDotNose said:

I'd like to hear stuff from 2000 onwards: http://www.princevault.co..._song_list

I don't mind older unreleased music, but let's not pretend Prince's music is just anything until only 1993.

Same here.

There were Prince solo albums not released in 1998 also, including 'Madrid 2 Chicago'. 'Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic' is reported to include tracks from three distinct albums recorded around the same time period and the original version of 'Rave' that Prince submitted to Arista was described as a psychedelic rock album and was reported as being somewhat experimental.

Vannormal said:

Well, 'unreleased material' means probably/possibly 9 out of 10 songs we all already have.

Don't get your hopes (yet) too high.

-

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information...

Remember, the top-notch hard drives for a good portion of the nineties were under a gigabyte.
I wouldn't expect "hundreds of thousand" files.

Even with a terabyte (1,000 gigabytes), you ain't gonna record 24 tracks at 24bits/88kHZ or whatever the high resolution Prince used for digital recording for long.

Large hard drives get stuffed fast with hi-res files, and if you want to keep them longer, you don't record over it, or even next to it. The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

[Edited 4/25/18 7:47am]

Vannormal said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.

-

Or, simply make them aware of the fact that something like PRINCEVAULT excist,

some interesting book titles, like the ones by A. Hahn, Per Nilsen, etc.

Why not.

The video of NC2U is ultimate proof they're not that dumb.
Everyone knows about Per Nilsen, especially the curator.
Come on.

September?

Who called that 'soon'?

It is the same lame slow-ass WB release schedule from the 80's/90's.

It will not be a full disc or full discs. (70+ minutes per disc)

It will have unreleased music, but will the music be unheard by most of us?

Will the sources, editing etc be similar to the PR goodies?

bonatoc said:

The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

.

Wrong.

It's a balance between acessing data on the disc on not doing so that determines the lifetime of a drive.

Also there's a bathtub curve to be taken into account as well astechnical lifecycles.

(Though the drive in my MythTV setup is recording TV 24/7 for years and did not fail yet....)

peedub said:

callimnate said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: BINGO!!! Those with ANY P knowledge would've picked up on that. [Edited 4/24/18 10:16am]

'art official age' was a warner brothers release...

.

And it basically was a "we have to release this as part of the 2014 deal, we don't care about it" release.

.

Warners isn't gonna bother with anything from the past 20 or so years, because nobody cares about that. They're gonna release more 1980s stuff, locking all that material to them and preventing other companies form making bank. Look at the Universal deal that fell through: it's crystal clear that Warners wants to have that sweet sweet 1980s honey, and everything post-1995 can be handled by whatever sucker is willing to pay stupid money for it.

udo said:

bonatoc said:

The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

.

Wrong.

It's a balance between acessing data on the disc on not doing so that determines the lifetime of a drive.

Also there's a bathtub curve to be taken into account as well astechnical lifecycles.

(Though the drive in my MythTV setup is recording TV 24/7 for years and did not fail yet....)

Stop the press, we have a specialist.
Holy schmoly. Behold the Mighty Terabyte Man™©®.
No kidding, respect, and you are right.
It does not mean I'm wrong,
however...

[Edited 4/25/18 8:55am]

heymistermusic said:

Translation: Stuff WE have heard, but the rest of the world hasn't yet

Strive said:

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together.

There you go.

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.

SquirrelMeat said:

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.

is this because the family want money from his music and r stopping things ..and estate is slow to release things with WB?

SquirrelMeat said:

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.

i guess they are sort of gearing up toward that perhaps with the princeestate site?

but i agree, it would be better if it was already up to the point of having all his official albums
that he ever released up on that site for purchase.

now there's a nice little page with info and soundbytes, which is great, but people should be
able to then buy the albums too.

the merch should just be a little after thought to a site otherwise devoted to music and music
only.

mediumdry said:

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

It's not in a book so it couldn't exist? Seriously? It's silly to assume that nothing in the vault exists that fans haven't either already heard or read about before in one of the books.

rudeboynpg said:

Layitdown said:

Give me "The Undertaker" remastered w/ video package...i'll wait.

Yes, I love The Undertaker. Would love to have it on CD and DVD. I only have a bootleged dubing of it on VHS video tape.

Also "the follow-up album to 1999", that Prince talked about in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview, I've been wanting to hear for decades. I hope it's that material they found and are releasing in September.

[Edited 4/24/18 23:42pm]

The key sentence in that quote is "I could put it all together", i.e. "I haven't", i.e. unless Prince compiled any such era-albums later in his career (and who knows if he didn't, but we don't know), there was never any such thing as "a follow-up album to 1999". All there is is enough material. So it's up to the estate to pick-up any 1982 outtakes and compile it up on the spot.

rudeboynpg said:

mediumdry said:

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

It's not in a book so it couldn't exist? Seriously? It's silly to assume that nothing in the vault exists that fans haven't either already heard or read about before in one of the books.

Mediumdry is right.

I don't have the exact quote at hand but I believe Prince said something in the line of "I could have released PR2 but I chose to release something completely different (ATWIAD) instead". I could have released PR2 doesn't mean, never meant, never was supposed to mean that any such album was ever compiled.

And Duane's book is not "a" book, it's THE book. Duane himself acknowledged it when info was uncertain or when recordings/mixing/edits may have taken place that couldn't be documented, so it's not unthinkable Prince may have scribbled many an album tracklist on his notebook that Duane isn't aware of, but it's quite unlikely he had a whole album compiled by his engineers at some point in 1984 without any such engineer remembering any of it. Not impossible, but very, very unlikely.

SquirrelMeat said:

The senior staff at PP said 'Black is the new black' was not completed.

BartVanHemelen said:

Warners isn't gonna bother with anything from the past 20 or so years, because nobody cares about that. They're gonna release more 1980s stuff, locking all that material to them and preventing other companies form making bank. Look at the Universal deal that fell through: it's crystal clear that Warners wants to have that sweet sweet 1980s honey, and everything post-1995 can be handled by whatever sucker is willing to pay stupid money for it.

If Zappa could sell "Dance me this", Estate could sell "The Rainbow Children II".

We are not talking about million albums sold from a dead popstar, we are talking about a solid fanbase (100.000-500.000) that is gonna buy everything stored in the Vault.

There is a business for this.

databank said: